about time

[BushBlade]

Paying over the odds and not getting promoted, more often than not.

My question was which was better, paying over the odds and getting promoted or not paying over the odds and not getting promoted.

You answered a different question; what have we done for the last five years?

 

[Jonboy60]

What other club would have put a clause in a players contract, such as the one United did with Hammond. Who would have paid Cardiff all that money for Brayford , as good as a player we thought he is/was. Only us. Incomings, outgoings, soft touches.

 

[Jonboy60]

My question was which was better, paying over the odds and getting promoted or not paying over the odds and not getting promoted.

You answered a different question; what have we done for the last five years?

Theoretically paying over the odds, so why are we not promoted already.

 

[BushBlade]

Theoretically paying over the odds, so why are we not promoted already.

If I knew that, I'd know something no one on this forum or no one at the club knows.

I'd suggest it's a combination of poor leadership at the top and a lack of strategic thinking, poor managerial appointments, sacking managers at the wrong time and poor player recruitment.

But the reality is, if we want to sign up and coming players with potential to play at a higher level we will have to pay for these players, there just won't be enough of sufficient quality available on free transfers. And that means we will have to meet the selling club's asking price, which may be more than the player is currently worth.

The alternative is to go for second, third, fourth or fifth options, as it appears we've done previously. If the board trusts Wilder to do the job, they should back him and get his first choices as that will give us the best chance of going up. If they don't trust Wilder, why is he here?

It's like getting married again. You can say 'my former wife wasn't trustworthy, therefore I can no longer trust women and will have nowt to do with them' or you can say 'she was a twat, the next one seems better and I can trust her'. What you can't do is marry again but not trust your new wife.

 

[Jonboy60]

If I knew that, I'd know something no one on this forum or no one at the club knows.

I'd suggest it's a combination of poor leadership at the top and a lack of strategic thinking, poor managerial appointments, sacking managers at the wrong time and poor player recruitment.

But the reality is, if we want to sign up and coming players with potential to play at a higher level we will have to pay for these players, there just won't be enough of sufficient quality available on free transfers. And that means we will have to meet the selling club's asking price, which may be more than the player is currently worth.

The alternative is to go for second, third, fourth or fifth options, as it appears we've done previously. If the board trusts Wilder to do the job, they should back him and get his first choices as that will give us the best chance of going up. If they don't trust Wilder, why is he here?

It's like getting married again. You can say 'my former wife wasn't trustworthy, therefore I can no longer trust women and will have nowt to do with them' or you can say 'she was a twat, the next one seems better and I can trust her'. What you can't do is marry again but not trust your new wife.

No, but I would certainly do a full due diligence report on her first.

 

[coaxingstar71]

On a slightly different point, I'm left wondering what value the "technical board" add?

In the old days it was left to the manager to look for players and then ask the chairman/ board if they could make an approach. Now it seems everything has to go through this additional committee first. A couple of observations, firstly the quality of players signed and subsequent contracts offered do not appear to be any better and are arguably worse in the case of the Hammond signing and contract fiasco. Secondly, surely the money being spent on the salaries of the technical board would be better utilised in providing better scouting methods to find us the kind of players more suited to the managers needs.

Apart from Billy, surely the last signing to excite us was Brayford? At the time, it seemed like the return of the messiah.

I'm hoping that the new manager can rejuvenate some of the players we are left with. Brayford being a prime example and maybe Scougall too. Perhaps we could see the same Scougall that scored the winner v MK Dons and a cracking goal he scored in the semi v Hull. Remember Bassett doing this with a couple of players when he came in such as Webster and to some extent Stancliffe who'd spent more time being injured prior to Bassett's arrival.

 

[zablade]

The more and more I hear from McCabe recently the more and more I am convinced we are heading for a disaster next season.

 

[BushBlade]

The more and more I hear from McCabe recently the more and more I am convinced we are heading for a disaster next season.

The day you don't predict doom will be the day I really shit myself.

 

[Slim Man]

The more and more I hear from McCabe recently the more and more I am convinced we are heading for a disaster next season.

I'm the other way. I'm starting to think he's learned some valuable lessons.

 

[Grizzly blade]

We have been down the route of cutting our cloth when we took on Weir.
Granted Wilder has more of an idea what he's doing but the plan seems to be the same.

Budget cut, new players that are cheaper and some football that entertains the masses.

I'm sure I'm not alone in being concerned about what the likely outcome of such a McCabe plan is!

Needless to say my experience of my club over the years (more so recent years) tends to direct me towards us making a dogs bollocks of it...again!
We don't need a technical board, we don't need a miracle we just need a manager, a scouting network and the cash to buy quality players before other clubs spot them....plus the odd gem from the academy if that is indeed possible now the academy set up is there for the big 4 or 5 clubs to rip off the little guy!

 

[zablade]

The day you don't predict doom will be the day I really shit myself.

I have been generally positive until this season just gone.

But when a manager who had probably the best record around can make no impact at all on us, and we are then expected to applaud our owner announcing the solution to our problems is to spend less... What's to be hopeful about?

A lot of people must think Chris Wilder is Merlin cos magic is the only way I see us winning promotion next season without signing quality all across the pitch.... At that has just been ruled out by the Chairman.

We can't run this club on the same lines as Burton, Rotherham or Yeovil, we are a different animal.

Wednesday, wolves, Leeds, Forest, Southampton provided the template for a club of our stature to win promotion, "bring financial musscle to the party"

We are doing the exact opposite.

 

[BushBlade]

I have been generally positive until this season just gone.

But when a manager who had probably the best record around can make no impact at all on us, and we are then expected to applaud our owner announcing the solution to our problems is to spend less... What's to be hopeful about?

A lot of people must think Chris Wilder is Merlin cos magic is the only way I see us winning promotion next season without signing quality all across the pitch.... At that has just been ruled out by the Chairman.

We can't run this club on the same lines as Burton, Rotherham or Yeovil, we are a different animal.

Wednesday, wolves, Leeds, Forest, Southampton provided the template for a club of our stature to win promotion, "bring financial musscle to the party"

We are doing the exact opposite.

You're probably right but I'm waiting until the season starts before I write us off. I don't necessarily believe what KM tells us so I'm prepared to see what actually happens in the next couple of months, we might actually sign some decent players. I still think it's a two year job to turn us round unless everything drops right.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Whilst there's still 18000+ going thru' the turnstiles every other Saturday, they'll not be any real urgency to get promoted.
The average attendance in the Championship won't greatly affect the board's spending. In fact, that will have to increase it if "better" players are required for the next step. That being the PL, in which, has been written on here, that a few Blades won't be happy with. Whilst they can maintain a reasonable amount of financial offsets, there's no real desperation to progress. The comments of being satisfied with a higher L1 finish and the use of the Academy in bringing in first team players, simple enough to read between the lines.

Might not be what you see/think... so if you can convince me that we're heading in the right direction, on this very day, i'd like to know how.

 

[Grizzly blade]

Here goes.

The owners are having to prop the club up with their own money. That is a fact.

Simply saying it isn't in their interests to get us up isn't true. Apart from being a fan which see him wanting the club competing with the best, KM is millions down. Even holding most of the real estate, he's still millions down. The Prince isn't a fan, and he too is well down on his investment and never getting it back until we go to the premier league.

So I think there is a huge rush....especially as you say fan numbers have little bearing on the clubs future....its TV money and corporate deals where the money is at.
Losing millions a season isn't maintainable.

He's stuck in a catch 22....money hasn't solved the problem, and his pockets have been emptied. Like when Weir arrived this is KM saying..."I'm reducing my losses" the Prince won't chuck in cash unless KM matches it as joint owner...he won't so we have no option but to reduce budgets and see if Wilder really can repeat his efforts at Northampton, in other words a miracle! And in the circumstances almost a similar achievement as Leicester in relative terms.

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

Dont really get the point of that article - why advertise we arent paying bigger wages? Hardly enourages people wanting to come does it.