CONFIRMED Aaron Ramsdale returns to the Lane

[HeCanDoMagic]

No I don’t actually, obviously we’ll have to wait and see, but a lot of Hendersons performance stats are due to the protection he is afforded by one of the Premier Leagues most organised and effective defences.

He‘s engineered a lot of goodwill from the fans by his badge kissing, goal celebrations and crowd interaction, but he is not by any means the complete keeper. Whilst he is a superb shot stopper, his positional awareness is suspect and his kicking isn’t great.What’s more, he doesn’t actually want to play for Sheffield United ?

So, I actually think, all things considered, that Ramsdale would be an upgrade in the long term.

A good assessment that, and some points I hadn't considered.

 

[Mouth of the South]

No I don’t actually, obviously we’ll have to wait and see, but a lot of Hendersons performance stats are due to the protection he is afforded by one of the Premier Leagues most organised and effective defences.

He‘s engineered a lot of goodwill from the fans by his badge kissing, goal celebrations and crowd interaction, but he is not by any means the complete keeper. Whilst he is a superb shot stopper, his positional awareness is suspect and his kicking isn’t great. What’s more, he doesn’t actually want to play for Sheffield United ?

So, I actually think, all things considered, that Ramsdale would be an upgrade in the long term.

Fair enough - it's all about opinions. I don't agree but it would be boring if everyone was of the same one.

Personally, I feel Henderson is well ahead of Ramsdale and would certainly be a more capable option for next season.

 

[Beans]

Ramsdale is average statistically and doesn't pass the eye test. I've watched 90 percent of Bournemouth's league games this season and he's far from the finished product. He has a lot to do which perhaps clouds people's judgement. It's often the case with keepers from relegated sides. Potential sure but not more than 10 millions worth imo.

Was just looking at this and average is pretty much spot on - if not actually a little generous. Taken from FBRef.com:

Save percentage (shots on target that he saved) Ramsdale ranks 15th with 68% saved. For comparison Henderson was 3rd with 75%.

Post-shot expected goals, minus goals allowed (essentially how many goals "should" he have conceded from the shots faced, minus the actual number of goals conceded) - ranks 17th. Faced 62.1xG of chances, conceded 62 goals. Henderson ranked 6th - faced 37.6xG of chances, conceded 33 goals.

% crossed stopped (crosses into the penalty area that the keeper caught/cleared) - Ramsdale ranks 14th with 6.2%. Henderson 5th with 7.9%.

Defensive actions outside penalty area (how much "sweeping up" they did) - Ramsdale 14th, Henderson 12th.

Completion % on passes over 40 yards - Ramsdale 18th, Henderson 20th.

Statistically he doesn't have a standout attribute. And like you I've watched him loads this season and haven't seen much that makes me think he's more than an average Premier League goalkeeper YET. And that's the big thing - we're never going to get Henderson permanently, so if this is our chance to sign our GK for the next 5+ years, and have him develop into something close to what Henderson is NOW, then I think it does make sense to take it if the price is right.

Pretty confident that whoever we have in goal next season will not be as good as Dean Henderson regardless.

Edit, oh I see you've found a quote from someone else saying more or less the same thing never mind, I learned something today

 

[BarryBigtime]

Basically every stat you find on goalkeepers in Europe has Hendo near the top and Ramsdale not even shortlisted. Quoting my post from the Predrag Rajkovic thread:

Bumping this up as I think this keeper would be a fantastic acquisition. No idea on cost although Transfer Market suggests 4.95m. My word though, his stats are impressive.

Referencing this report from April 2020 and other sources listed below:

• Number one goalkeeper for clean sheets in Ligue 1
• Save percentage of 79.8% which is number one in Ligue 1 and 2nd out of the Top 5 Leagues (Henderson is 12th) - Source
• When PSxG* (Post-shot expected goals) is taken into account, he's 5th in the Top 5 Leagues and Henderson is 8th - Source

*PSxG - "A calculation taken after a shot towards goal has been found to have hit the target, while taking into account the quality of the shot, and more useful in assessment of goalkeepers than merely saves made"

• Definition of PSxG on Football Critic here
• Football Critic rankings here

Football Critic rate Hendo at 82/100, Cakir at 71/100 and Ramsdale at 74/100 (similar to Ben Foster and Ochoa)

 

[ChezVegasBlade]

Spurs interested, sell on fee?

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[Niceguyeddie]

Wonder where that story came from ?

 

[SUFCinks]

It was a table someone posted on here. I think it was based on xg rather than a specific breakdown of goalkeeping attributes. He was about mid table, Cakir was third or fourth. Henderson was up there but not as high as Cakir. Maybe somebody will post it again?...

cheers for these, they are only half the seasons stats though so wouldnt read into them too much, it shows Pope at the bottom but we know hes one of the better in the league over the season.

i looked at stats through the prem league app and ramsdale was 3rd for saves(Hendo 9th), punches he’s 5th (Hendo 6th). They are level on high claims as well. I would obviously prefer hendo as a perm but it wont happen. I think ramsdale could be a solid Replacement.

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[Shirty Blade]

If everything else fails and everyone wants stupid money, I wonder how much Cardiff would want for Etheridge?

 

[BarryBigtime]

cheers for these, they are only half the seasons stats though so wouldnt read into them too much, it shows Pope at the bottom but we know hes one of the better in the league over the season.

i looked at stats through the prem league app and ramsdale was 3rd for saves(Hendo 9th), punches he’s 5th (Hendo 6th). They are level on high claims as well. I would obviously prefer hendo as a perm but it wont happen. I think ramsdale could be a solid Replacement.

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But he was playing in a shite defence though. You would expect him to have had to do more. This is all hard numbers as opposed to what is expected from him, statistically speaking. When you look at PSxG, he's way off Hendo.

 

[BanderSerge]

This is a kid who has dropped some of the biggest bloopers known to mankind. YouTube is full of the shit he did at chesterfield and Wimbledon.

 

[Chabuddy G]

This is a kid who has dropped some of the biggest bloopers known to mankind. YouTube is full of the shit he did at chesterfield and Wimbledon.

That was years ago.
Wimbeldon fans absolutely love him, he was their POTY.

You can stick Henderson's 2 against Leeds and Liverpool on a YouTube montage if you want as well.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

If everything else fails and everyone wants stupid money, I wonder how much Cardiff would want for Etheridge?

I just can’t get behind buying a keeper that’s a reserve for a lower league team, and making him our number one. We can do better, surely?

 

[Silent Blade]

Best keeper we have brought through since Hodgkinson.

We signed Hodgy from Worksop Town

 

[Pedro Verde]

I just can’t get behind buying a keeper that’s a reserve for a lower league team, and making him our number one. We can do better, surely?

West Ham bid £10m for him in January and the transfer fell through
Smithies played for Cardiff whilst this was going on played well and kept the shirt
I think Etheridge is a very good keeper and would be good value for money

 

[finlaytheblade]

We signed Hodgy from Worksop Town

I think he was 16 and training to be abutcher

 

[SUFCinks]

But he was playing in a shite defence though. You would expect him to have had to do more. This is all hard numbers as opposed to what is expected from him, statistically speaking. When you look at PSxG, he's way off Hendo.

surely statistically it plays to his advantage that hes in a team with a shit defence. Its easy being a keeper when you have a top 3 defence in front of you (hendo). We limited a lot of teams to shooting from range whereas Bournemouth couldnt defend to save their lives, he has been heavily exposed - no hiding.

 

[Weneverscorefromcorners]

surely statistically it plays to his advantage that hes in a team with a shit defence. Its easy being a keeper when you have a top 3 defence in front of you (hendo). We limited a lot of teams to shooting from range whereas Bournemouth couldnt defend to save their lives, he has been heavily exposed - no hiding.

That would be right if we were talking about expected goals stopped, but for sheer number of saves made it means little - Bournemouth were wank so he had to make a lot of saves, it doesnt speak to whether he actually played well or not.

 

[Davalon]

I just can’t get behind buying a keeper that’s a reserve for a lower league team, and making him our number one. We can do better, surely?

He was dropped after being in line to sign for West Ham. Not overly fussed by Etheridge but there's worse out there.

The people who.matter have better judgement than me but I can't get particularly enthused by Ramsdale.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

He was dropped after being in line to sign for West Ham. Not overly fussed by Etheridge but there's worse out there.

The people who.matter have better judgement than me but I can't get particularly enthused by Ramsdale.

Yeah me neither. Certainly not at the prices touted

 

[A Storm of Blades]

West Ham bid £10m for him in January and the transfer fell through
Smithies played for Cardiff whilst this was going on played well and kept the shirt
I think Etheridge is a very good keeper and would be good value for money

Fair enough, and good points. I’d take Butland for £8m to be honest

 

[SUFCinks]

That would be right if we were talking about expected goals stopped, but for sheer number of saves made it means little - Bournemouth were wank so he had to make a lot of saves, it doesnt speak to whether he actually played well or not.

ok, but does it factor things like tap-ins and goals from inside 10 yards compared to to 25/30 yard shots? Basically does it factor in the difficulty of the opportunity.

i wonder if there are stats for number of goal scoring opportunities saved...

 

[Weneverscorefromcorners]

ok, but does it factor things like tap-ins and goals from inside 10 yards compared to to 25/30 yard shots? Basically does it factor in the difficulty of the opportunity.

i wonder if there are stats for number of goal scoring opportunities saved...

I think goal scoring opportunities saved is the same as expected goals saved.. I think

 

[SUFCinks]

I think goal scoring opportunities saved is the same as expected goals saved.. I think

didnt realise you had quoted goal scoring opportunities saved only PSxG (not a clue what that means)??

 

[Weneverscorefromcorners]

didnt realise you had quoted goal scoring opportunities saved only PSxG (not a clue what that means)??

I think it's the percentage of saves hes made in a situation where a goal would be expected. So like saving a 1 on 1 or a point blank header. I could be talking out of my arse though cos I haven't a clue neither

 

[finlaytheblade]

He was dropped after being in line to sign for West Ham. Not overly fussed by Etheridge but there's worse out there.

The people who.matter have better judgement than me but I can't get particularly enthused by Ramsdale.

Who would you like

He was dropped after being in line to sign for West Ham. Not overly fussed by Etheridge but there's worse out there.

The people who.matter have better judgement than me but I can't get particularly enthused by Ramsdale.

You must have a preference who would you sign ? as you have said leave it to the experts who are CWAK
last pick was Hendo not a bad choice was he !

 

[Bristol Blade]

ok, but does it factor things like tap-ins and goals from inside 10 yards compared to to 25/30 yard shots? Basically does it factor in the difficulty of the opportunity.

i wonder if there are stats for number of goal scoring opportunities saved...

The xG2 stat might be of interest to you. It’s basically a measure of the quality of a shot (whereas xG is a measure of the quality of a chance). So for example xG2 would take into account how well a shot is struck and where it is placed.
From a keeper’s perspective, if they are saving shots with a high xG2, it means they are saving more difficult shots (which could include close range shots, and also shots closer to the corner rather than down the middle of the goal.

TL;DR: the graphic below shows Henderson saved more difficult shots than any other English keeper. Ramsdale is fairly average.

 

[SUFCinks]

I think it's the percentage of saves hes made in a situation where a goal would be expected. So like saving a 1 on 1 or a point blank header. I could be talking out of my arse though cos I haven't a clue neither

The xG2 stat might be of interest to you. It’s basically a measure of the quality of a shot (whereas xG is a measure of the quality of a chance). So for example xG2 would take into account how well a shot is struck and where it is placed.
From a keeper’s perspective, if they are saving shots with a high xG2, it means they are saving more difficult shots (which could include close range shots, and also shots closer to the corner rather than down the middle of the goal.

TL;DR: the graphic below shows Henderson saved more difficult shots than any other English keeper. Ramsdale is fairly average.
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really insightful. Cheers. The stats side of things i find really enjoyable but my knowledge on it all is extremely basic. I will downlod that app as well - the visuals help digest what can be quite confusing. Wouldnt of expected Pope, and Heaton to have been so poor either.

 

[Treeton Blade]

We signed Hodgy from Worksop Town

How old was he when we signed him SB?
An old boy I stood with at Shirecliffe made the comparison.

I am 52 so never saw Hodgy play, but in 35 years of watching our youth team Ramsdale is the best by a mile, and I stand by my oft repeated prediction he'll go on to play for England.

 

[Silent Blade]

How old was he when we signed him SB?
An old boy I stood with at Shirecliffe made the comparison.

I am 52 so never saw Hodgy play, but in 35 years of watching our youth team Ramsdale is the best by a mile, and I stand by my oft repeated prediction he'll go on to play for England.

He was nearly 17 when we signed him from Worksop Town

 

[YES Blade]

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