A great day in the history of SUFC

[Pittsburg Blade]

Don't always agree with Mic, but he's right here and Bladesman hit the nail on the head when he said there was no fight. There is no way that group of players should have gone down. The motivational skills of Mickey Adams were sadly lacking when put to the test. I really hope that useless plonker Birch has gone also.

 

[Kenilworth]

Happy because we have done it at the right time and it gives the new manager to have litrally a fresh start with a pre season and a lot of players being shipped out and in.

That's assuming we have a new manager in place for pre season.
Do you think he has this already lined up? - Would have to be someone out of work at the moment for that to be the case.

 

[Big Mart]

Who would have led the fight in that bunch of players though? Only Quinn with a brain and some aggression in the squad, the talentless Monty showed how much he was up for the fight, he just ran round in circles watching us get relegated.

 

[bricktop]

Morgan, but he got injured early in the season, and we didn't have anyone near anywhere good enough to replace what he brought to the team.

 

[Bladesman]

That's assuming we have a new manager in place for pre season.
Do you think he has this already lined up? - Would have to be someone out of work at the moment for that to be the case.

I think he has who he wants in mind/approached already hence the quick decision on Adams.

 

[Micalijo]

Yep, I'm far from the sentimental type but it would have been nice to see him prove a success with us.

As to it being a great day well what a sad life you must lead, our club's in complete dissarray, the scumbag who pulls the purse strings manages to deflect the blame again by making Adams the scapegoat and wahey, everyone's happy and McCabe can be good old Uncle Kevin once more.



What did you expect? He joined a pathetic club, a relegated club (and don't let the league position when he joined fool you, we were already fucked by then) and he did all he could with the complete and utter shit at his disposal to try and keep us up.

A great day? Laugh my fucking tits off :thumbdown:

And before you say owt, I really don't think you can label me a clapper, in any of my guises.

You're one of the top, top men on here Hozza. Huge respect for your posts but totally disagree with you on this one. It wasn't an impossible job, eke out 2 more wins - that's all we needed. He signed plenty of players on very decent second tier wages I reckon as well. He'd still have a pathetic record but we should be rebuilding in the Championship like Watford for example.

 

[Big Mart]

I think he has who he wants in mind/approached already hence the quick decision on Adams.

Well that's very reassuring, as we all know his track record on selecting managers is excellent.

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You're one of the top, top men on here Hozza. Huge respect for your posts but totally disagree with you on this one. It wasn't an impossible job, eke out 2 more wins - that's all we needed.. He'd still have a pathetic record but we should be rebuilding in the Championship like Watford for example.

Mic, I'm not arguing with anybody today, after the season from helll I'm mentally goosed. I said before theseason started that we were in bother, and was mostly ridiculed for it but I could honestly see that with that squad, the then manager and the invisble man at the helm we were going only one way.

Alas I was correct, and am gutted about that but if I could see it with my limited access to the club then surely the man in charge should have had an inkling? Adams takes some blame, but no more than any of the others who failed to stand up and be counted.

 

[Peezablade]

I will remember him for far more than that. Most Blades wanted it to work for him; most Blades accepted that things were not great and we had to go backwards to go forwards (think what happened at the final whistle of the final home game); Most Blades would have left well alone for another season.

But your not really a Blade are you? You just enjoy whining and whinging.

 

[Pittsburg Blade]

You're one of the top, top men on here Hozza. Huge respect for your posts but totally disagree with you on this one. It wasn't an impossible job, eke out 2 more wins - that's all we needed. He signed plenty of players on very decent second tier wages I reckon as well. He'd still have a pathetic record but we should be rebuilding in the Championship like Watford for example.

Exactly Mic. It was a tough job, but it wasnt that friggin' tough. The guy failed primarily because when he had the chance to fix it he screwed up and brought in inadequate players.
McCabe put the lost revenue at $12mm. You lose that amount of money for your company and you're going to be out the door as well. Unless you're an investment banker of course, that's different.

 

[Kenilworth]

but you ask any manager at any of the other clubs in league one/two if they could come to the Lane despite the things you have mentioned and possibly asisde from Mr Megson; they would all come.

I think you have rose tinted glasses. It's a poison chalice if ever there was one.

See if you can spin any of this:

The relative size of the club in league one is a mill stone not a help becuase everyone will see us as the ones to beat.
The expectations will be huge compared to the tools at the new managers disposal.
There is no history of support from the Board - 4 managers in a season is a joke.
There is (will be) no squad of any quality to work with.
Cannot see there being any transfer kitty.
Most managers have identified their targets for Bosman's etc already and have made enquiries - the new manager will be behind the game on this one already (loans anyone?)
Morale is on the floor.
After getting rid of highly paid players we will still retain the dregs of the shit already at the club on long contracts and probably be paying a proportion of the leavers wages as well.
Reliance on Youth is unpredictable at best and can be a disaster at worst.

Who the f**k would want that job?
I would have to question their sanity if they chose to accept it.
They would have to be desparate, bonkers or plain stupid to take it.

 

[Foxy]

I think you have rose tinted glasses. It's a poison chalice if ever there was one.

See if you can spin any of this:

The relative size of the club in league one is a mill stone not a help becuase everyone will see us as the ones to beat.
The expectations will be huge compared to the tools at the new managers disposal.
There is no history of support from the Board - 4 managers in a season is a joke.
There is (will be) no squad of any quality to work with.
Cannot see there being any transfer kitty.
Most managers have identified their targets for Bosman's etc already and have made enquiries - the new manager will be behind the game on this one already (loans anyone?)
Morale is on the floor.
After getting rid of highly paid players we will still retain the dregs of the shit already at the club on long contracts and probably be paying a proportion of the leavers wages as well.
Reliance on Youth is unpredictable at best and can be a disaster at worst.

Who the f**k would want that job?
I would have to question their sanity if they chose to accept it.
They would have to be desparate, bonkers or plain stupid to take it.

Whilst I agree we shouldn't be an attractive or even sensible option, a number of people in football think differently to us fans.

 

[Big Mart]

Think that may be down to the salary that goes with the post Foxy.

 

[Micalijo]

Well that's very reassuring, as we all know his track record on selecting managers is excellent.

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Mic, I'm not arguing with anybody today, after the season from helll I'm mentally goosed. I said before theseason started that we were in bother, and was mostly ridiculed for it but I could honestly see that with that squad, the then manager and the invisble man at the helm we were going only one way.

Alas I was correct, and am gutted about that but if I could see it with my limited access to the club then surely the man in charge should have had an inkling? Adams takes some blame, but no more than any of the others who failed to stand up and be counted.

Know how you feel, drained me sen with it all but I've had a big lift United wise today. Recharge them batteries and go again!

A bad season didn't have to be 6 points off safety. We had more than enough resources to stay up - they were pathetically managed by Blackwell, Speed and finished off by Alehouse

 

[kent-blade]

As already has been mentioned, to claim this is a great day in SUFC history is cynical and over the top. I didn't get to see many matches under Adams, but in the ones I did we were better than I expected (defence not included). I get the feeling were at a crossroads at the moment, and the execution of this outlined project youth could decide how the club performs in the foreseeable future (that said, maybe its just tempting to make dramatic sweeping statements in the immediate aftermath of relegation). I certainly have faith on the club producing talent, and building a largely home-grown squad capable of progressing, but suspect they may sell up all too quickly and drag us in to a catch-22 situation.

Its sad to see Adams go, because I think we are unlikely to find an alternative that will offer too much more. Also, its quite obvious, managers need time to have an impact on the team and the club. To decide Micky Adams is an atrocious manager on the strength of a few months is completely irrational.

In regards to the next manager, id like to see us go for someone young, and in the contemporary football-manager mould. If I was to be deliberately naive, and take the plan for the future at face value, I would say now is an ideal time to hire a manager who's demands the team play 'good' passing football. Not necessarily a militant purist, just someone who is flexible.

 

[Deadbat]

Think that may be down to the salary that goes with the post Foxy.

Agreed for all the cost cutting; staff leaving; I still think United would offer a more attrative salary than most of the clubs if not all the bottomg divisions. I could be wrong.

I think United are in an utter mess and I have been their biggest critic recently of everything about them; how they have been run/managed and generally made into a laughing stock. I still think you would be surprised how many managers would still apply. I could be wrong. Just my opinion

 

[breeny]

Bad decision

 

[CopenhagenBlade]

I'm just interested to see who Mic thinks that we should get in? He knows so much and can always do better so he can surely point the way, or will it be easier just to criticise afterwards and think of a new funny nickname?

Now the deed has been done at least it has been done now. The criteria for a new manager is someone who can work to a budget (small) and is good at working with and developing young kids as it seems as though they will constitute a large part of the squad that the manager will be working with. To be honest I have no idea who this will be but I hope that it is a young manager not one of the usual names that circulates with every job. There must be a few of these floating around the lower divisions that play good football and will be tempted with moving to a big club, (that is what we will be when we are in the 3rd division, whatever we personally think).

UTB

 

[SwissBlade]

Sad sad day. Any dwindling support I had for McCabe is sadly drifting away... He needs to act fast and bring in the right man.... But stick with him! Through thick and thin if he has faith.

It's not that I supported Micky implicitly, but I supported the decisions to give him time and a 3 year deal did that.

Micky walked into a hard job, made more difficult by the fact that we had players unwilling or unable to do their jobs, yet the board backed him with some signings

 

[diplomat]

Whilst I agree we shouldn't be an attractive or even sensible option, a number of people in football think differently to us fans.

And he who turns it round will be a legend who can watch the Utd hoards take over various shitty little town's grounds in scenes of mass jubilation. It's a huge opportunity.

 

[Webding]

He could have stayed or gone for me; the club - and especially the playing staff - needs a massive overhaul anyway, so continuity doesn't really come into it. I'm sure he could have done a reasonable job in League One, but to suggest that he's been hard done to is a bit of a laugh. The majority of his decisions have been poor, his tactics were mostly negative and one-dimensional, and from what I can tell, his man management and self-belief is lacking at best.

Yes, he was dealt a bad hand. And yes, it does seem that there was, and probably still is, a lot wrong in both the dressing and board rooms. But a lot of the blame has to rest with Adams - we got relegated, and his record was worse than the other 2/3 managers, so it's easy to see why the decision was made. And at least it was made early.

McCabe is still a tit though.

 

[JJ Sefton]

But your not really a Blade are you? You just enjoy whining and whinging.

That makes him more than qualified to be a Blade.

 

[Micalijo]

That makes him more than qualified to be a Blade.

Thank you Walthamstow - it's nice to see someone can recognise true bladeness when they see it.

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I'm just interested to see who Mic thinks that we should get in? He knows so much and can always do better so he can surely point the way, or will it be easier just to criticise afterwards and think of a new funny nickname?

Now the deed has been done at least it has been done now. The criteria for a new manager is someone who can work to a budget (small) and is good at working with and developing young kids as it seems as though they will constitute a large part of the squad that the manager will be working with. To be honest I have no idea who this will be but I hope that it is a young manager not one of the usual names that circulates with every job. There must be a few of these floating around the lower divisions that play good football and will be tempted with moving to a big club, (that is what we will be when we are in the 3rd division, whatever we personally think).

UTB

Criticise afterwards? Don't think so pal. I told you about Adams when he was appointed. Very cheap shot from you.

Not my job to name new managers but I'd love to see us try for SOD or Di Matteo. I think Pembo will get it.

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Sad sad day. Any dwindling support I had for McCabe is sadly drifting away... He needs to act fast and bring in the right man.... But stick with him! Through thick and thin if he has faith.

It's not that I supported Micky implicitly, but I supported the decisions to give him time and a 3 year deal did that.

Micky walked into a hard job, made more difficult by the fact that we had players unwilling or unable to do their jobs, yet the board backed him with some signings

Your last sentence makes no sense whatsover to me Swiss?

Yes the board did back him and he totally messed it up.

 

[raul]

Wonder if KM had a word with Blackie whilst on his recruiting trip to the Smoke?

 

[Balham]

Micky walked into a hard job, made more difficult by the fact that we had players unwilling or unable to do their jobs

If Micky Adams couldn't motivate that squad to play for him then it speaks equally about his ability as a manager as the players' ability to play.

 

[Kenilworth]

If Micky Adams couldn't motivate that squad to play for him then it speaks equally about his ability as a manager as the players' ability to play.

Agree to a certain extent but if the rot had already set in (which we could all see from the beginning of the season - you only have to look at the shite performance at Hartlepool in the league cup) then there is not a lot you can do about it.
The reliance on loans undermines the management as well. How can you bollock a player who does not have a contract with you. He can tell you to p**s off or listen, nod sagely.... and ignore you.

The managers job at SUFC is a poison chalice of monolithic propotions.
The taker needs to be desparate, bonkers or stupid to accept it.
It's like attempting a triathlon with Batho strapped to your back.

 

[Muttley]

Well I'm not a happy chap!

I honestly think he would have done us a good a job as anyone else next season in L1. He is proven at that level. It just pisses me off that the club has been ripped apart by boardroom decisions and poor old Micky, an honest man, IMHO a decent lower league manager, and a Blade of course , is being made the scapegoat.

Who the furk is going to want this poisoned chalice of a job?

If I hadn't lost faith in the club before, I certainly have now.

McCabe, your decisions are a total and utter disgrace. You do not learn from your mistakes.

WE NEED STABILITY FFS!!!! How is trying to find ANOTHER manager going to do that?

 

[Kenilworth]

Well I'm not a happy chap!

I honestly think he would have done us a good a job as anyone else next season in L1. He is proven at that level. It just pisses me off that the club has been ripped apart by boardroom decisions and poor old Micky, an honest man, IMHO a decent lower league manager, and a Blade of course , is being made the scapegoat.

Who the furk is going to want this poisoned chalice of a job?

If I hadn't lost faith in the club before, I certainly have now.

McCabe, your decisions are a total and utter disgrace. You do not learn from your mistakes.

WE NEED STABILITY FFS!!!! How is trying to find ANOTHER manager going to do that?

Agree - so I am clinging on to the thought that McCabe would not have taken this action without having something lined up as a replacement. Or are the straws, temptingly, just beyond my grasp?

 

[Balham]

Agree to a certain extent but if the rot had already set in (which we could all see from the beginning of the season - you only have to look at the shite performance at Hartlepool in the league cup) then there is not a lot you can do about it.

I agree to an extent but with 24 games left there was plenty of time to turn it round and a side containing Steve Simonsen, Nyron Nosworthy, Stephen Jordan, Matty Lowton, Stephen Quinn, Nick Montgomery, Leon Britton, Kyle Bartley, Ched Evans, Jamie Ward and Richard Cresswell should have been good enough to finish 4th bottom at least, regardless of your views on the players individually.

The reliance on loans undermines the management as well. How can you bollock a player who does not have a contract with you. He can tell you to p**s off or listen, nod sagely.... and ignore you.

If a loan player wasn't listening, he should have been sent back. Nosworthy should have been on probation after the Burnley incident yet continually got picked despite some awful performances. That must have sent out a message that Adams was desperate and almost anything would go. How much effort did Marcus Bent put in?? To be honest, players shouldn't have been loaned in unless they were prepared to put the effort in.

The managers job at SUFC is a poison chalice of monolithic propotions.
The taker needs to be desparate, bonkers or stupid to accept it.
It's like attempting a triathlon with Batho strapped to your back.

It's not ideal. However, football managers tend to be egotistical and if you look at what could happen, it becomes a different story. There is the potential in S2 for a Premiership team with a 45,000 capacity stadium filled most weeks. How good would it be to be the manager to make it happen? Look at Paul Lambert - Colchester manager who took over Norwich one game into the 2009-10 League One season when they'd just lost 7-1 at home. He's now idolised in Norfolk (might not be the best situation...!) and could potentially take one of the bigger jobs in the Premier League should any become available.

 

[Kenilworth]

Look at Paul Lambert - Colchester manager who took over Norwich one game into the 2009-10 League One season when they'd just lost 7-1 at home. He's now idolised in Norfolk (might not be the best situation...!) and could potentially take one of the bigger jobs in the Premier League should any become available.

You are right. Lightening could strike in S2.
Not holding my breath, though, for fear of turning blue - and that would be my worst nightmare.

 

[Big Mart]

If Micky Adams couldn't motivate that squad to play for him then it speaks equally about his ability as a manager as the players' ability to play.

Couldn't disagree more. That squad had relegation written all over it from day one, an absolute shambles, and we finished in the league where you'd have expected having seen the shower of shit that the manager, any manager had to work with.