A footballing first

[JohnDenver]

Yup, I stand by what I said about the academy because I said it.

And that's reason enough. You should be a politician.

 

[TheSwollengland]

Anyone playing at centre back at the side of the bag o shite that is Nosworthy would look poor ,he looked half decent in the games he had Morgs at his side .

 

[alcoblade]

Yeah, what a shit young kid that's come into a shit side with poor organisation and a different centre back partner each match and doesn't organise the defence.

Booooooo

I hope you guys aren't asking for a O'Driscoll type manager in the summer, you'll be no good with any youngsters coming through.

Spot on. He was crap today. But he's a youngster playing a handful of games in a patched up back 5 of a team whose fans expectations are way above their capabilities.

I'd love O'Driscoll but this thread sums up why we wouldn't deserve him.

UTB

 

[lenners]

To be fair to Flatulent Bob I think we did need a centre-back to play in the centre-back role, rather than a forward. So you can't blame Blackwell for borrowing a defender to defend.

Have you re-read that bit lenners?

No-one mentioned O'Driscoll until someone said this: I hope you guys aren't asking for a O'Driscoll type manager in the summer, you'll be no good with any youngsters coming through.

At which point it was pointed out that O'Driscoll had acquired an Arsenal player who could play football.
Bob has a general problem with recognising the talent of young players which seems to extend to seeing talent in Bartley when he's crap and feeling the need to criticise our own young player who is head and shoulders above Bartley.
Odd really.

 

[Wards]

Anyone playing at centre back at the side of the bag o shite that is Nosworthy would look poor ,he looked half decent in the games he had Morgs at his side .

Couldn't agree more pal. As a former centre half, I would've hated to play alongside Nosworthy (read Claud Davis) - you haven't got a clue where he's likely to be defending, what line he's holding, whether he's going to pass or run, play offside or not....

Very unfair on Bartley IMO. Had looked good up until he played with the 'Noz'. If we had to sign any of the loanees then he'd be my man. Playing at centre half as a young kid is bloody difficult, probably more so than any other position but we seem intent on cutting him down with the usual vitriol and frankly embarassing attitude our fans have towards our club. Get a grip ffs.

 

[TheSwollengland]

Couldn't agree more pal. As a former centre half, I would've hated to play alongside Nosworthy (read Claud Davis) - you haven't got a clue where he's likely to be defending, what line he's holding, whether he's going to pass or run, play offside or not....

Very unfair on Bartley IMO. Had looked good up until he played with the 'Noz'. If we had to sign any of the loanees then he'd be my man. Playing at centre half as a young kid is bloody difficult, probably more so than any other position but we seem intent on cutting him down with the usual vitriol and frankly embarassing attitude our fans have towards our club. Get a grip ffs.

Too true ,I sometimes wonder how much football some people who comment on these forums have actually played .
CH is one the hardest places to play cos evry bollock you drop can be costly and if your full back gets beat he will always turn around and blame you for not backing him up ,yet he thinks he can race forward whenever and come back as and when he pleases .
I jus find it funny that people pick out this kid for critisism whilst ignoring the waste of a shirt that is nosworthy

 

[Elsecar_Blade]

Agree with last two.

Bartley = a youngster playing a difficult position. He made one error today; that's what youngsters do, it's a risk you take.

Nosworthy = an error every time he goes near the ball - or at least it feels that way. Dreadful, dreadful centre back and an absolute liability.

Bartley > Nos

 

[Guesty]

Agree with last two.

Bartley = a youngster playing a difficult position. He made one error today; that's what youngsters do, it's a risk you take.

Nosworthy = an error every time he goes near the ball - or at least it feels that way. Dreadful, dreadful centre back and an absolute liability.

Bartley > Nos

Bartley made quite a few errors today really, just none more noticeable than the attempted backpass.

 

[Toronto Blade]

Blackwell and Speed rely on advice from their scouts who watch these players and recommend which ones to loan ,they have to take some of the blame.
What happens to the player when they arrive is up to Blackwell and staff.

 

[NN6]

Nosworthy is absolute carp...saw him make his debut at Watford and he was awful. It wasn't that it was his first game for us it was that he just doesn't look like a footballer. He slices it into touch, he heads it like he's got corners on his head and he has no positional sense. To think that someone like him has made millions out of football is embarrassing.

Oh and for anyone looking for the reason behind our decline this is a big part

Kenny, Naughton, Morgs, Killa, Naysmith/Walker

Blackwell is the other

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Yup, I stand by what I said about the academy because I said it.
We've spent about £10m or more on it and we've paid for it by selling two players who we got about 40 or 50 games out of. Fantastic. It warms the cockles of my heart that instead of Walker or Naughton, we've got Connolly, Nosworthy, Bartley, Uncle Tom Cobley stumbling around.

So you'd stand by a comment just because you said it rather than because you still believe it to be correct?
We've already made a profit on the academy if you include all the players we've sold that have come through it.

This season, we've played well over 40 players and none of them have come from the youth set-up.
We're absolutely shite and yet we've got no-one who can do any better.

Is that because the manager won't play them or because they are too shite to even be given a spot on the bench? I'd go for the former, you can't prove anything if you can't get a game. Plus Blackie treats the academy with contempt because of Ron Reids position. I'm sure that Blackie recently said he wanted a complete overhaul of the academy to match what he thought it should be doing. I'm hoping that Pemberton is his own man or else maybe he will be sent to Hungary too.

No-one mentioned O'Driscoll until someone said this: I hope you guys aren't asking for a O'Driscoll type manager in the summer, you'll be no good with any youngsters coming through.

At which point it was pointed out that O'Driscoll had acquired an Arsenal player who could play football.
Bob has a general problem with recognising the talent of young players which seems to extend to seeing talent in Bartley when he's crap and feeling the need to criticise our own young player who is head and shoulders above Bartley.
Odd really.

and there is the difference Len. When I criticised Kyles performances it was for losing the ball in dangerous areas (which cost us goals) and not seemingly learning from it. I never said he wasn't talented, never said he was crap. I was able to watch a game and highlight a weakness that needed work.
You didn't (don't) do this. You label a kid as crap without anything constructive or any reasoning. Therefore not even close to being the same. It's no good expecting players to come through the youth system because fans like you write players off and move on which is why its no good you wanting someone like O'Driscoll.

Look at the best example of youth players in the country in Arsenal. Players like Song, Diaby, Van Persie, Denilson, have all looked distinctly average players for long periods. However they have now started to come into their own due to the faith shown in them. Another example look at Nani at United, having absolute shockers at the start of the season only to having learned from his mistakes taking some time out of the first team and coming back strong. Yes we are at a different level to those players but young players make mistakes, they are inconstant and need time, support and coaching through these mistakes in order to learn. You've just written off the captain of Arsenals reserves with stupid sweeping statements a player which if he was on our books you'd probably be showing the door. This is why I just don't rate your football knowledge, which I appreciate is a mutual feeling but at least I can my arguments about our young players make logical sense.

 

[Nick Jansky]

To be fair to Len, he only tends to spout absolute crap in the immediate aftermath of a woeful performance. Most of the time he makes some very good points, so I think we can put the rubbish down to the same sense of frustration & anger that we all feel.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

We'll lets see if he breaks that habit of a lifetime and admits that he was hasty and wrong to label a young player "garbage".

 

[Nick Jansky]

We'll lets see if he breaks that habit of a lifetime and admits that he was hasty and wrong to label a young player "garbage".

I rather feel that he will know he is wrong, but of course he won't admit it. Most people know he is wrong anyway, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[lenners]

We'll lets see if he breaks that habit of a lifetime and admits that he was hasty and wrong to label a young player "garbage".

Nope, he's garbage.
As for your flimsy attempt to backtrack on Walker - the player you suggested was on the cusp of needing to be dropped - fooling no-one bar yourself.
Walker was and will remain by far the best player to pull on our shirt this season.
As for the academy, no it is nowhere near acceptable that we've covered our costs with the sale of a few players.
Even more so given the shite we've seen this season.
It's failure this year is indicative of the overall failure of footballing management at SUFC.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nope, he's garbage.
As for your flimsy attempt to backtrack on Walker - the player you suggested was on the cusp of needing to be dropped - fooling no-one bar yourself.

We at least I'd be in good company. If you can find anywhere that I posted that he was garbage, shite, or anything similar then please link it.
You seem to be bringing things up like I've denied it. I think he had a run of making several costly errors from losing the ball in dangerous areas. I said if he didn't start learning from these mistakes he should be dropped. I didn't mention being on the cusp of being dropped, I said he should of been and still stand by that. He picked up a knock, and came back seemingly having listened to someone as he hardly gets caught on the ball out of position since that point.

No backtracking there Len, all straight up and standing by my comments.
I'll be waiting on you changing your quote to "he was garbage for us, but I never said he was garbage par se. " about Arsenals reserve team captain when he breaks through at PL level.

 

[lenners]

We at least I'd be in good company. If you can find anywhere that I posted that he was garbage, shite, or anything similar then please link it.
You seem to be bringing things up like I've denied it. I think he had a run of making several costly errors from losing the ball in dangerous areas. I said if he didn't start learning from these mistakes he should be dropped. I didn't mention being on the cusp of being dropped, I said he should of been and still stand by that. He picked up a knock, and came back seemingly having listened to someone as he hardly gets caught on the ball out of position since that point.

No backtracking there Len, all straight up and standing by my comments.
I'll be waiting on you changing your quote to "he was garbage for us, but I never said he was garbage par se. " about Arsenals reserve team captain when he breaks through at PL level.

No, you simply posted the quite remarkable notion that you thought he was playing so poorly he was close to being dropped.
He has an excellent first half of the season and yesterday found himself playing for the 4th placed team in the Premiership.
The really strange thing about your attitude is the complete contrast with Bartley who you are desperate to defend.
It also contrasted with your equally bizarre attempt to defend the £3m plank.
Just think, SUFC spent £3m on him and got the same back for Kyle Walker.
Either Blackwell or McCabe or both want shooting for that decision alone.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Nice try Len, I ain't biting on that Ched line it's been covered.

I'm not desperately defending Bartley either just saying anyone saying he was garbage was wrong. I'd of said the same if someone had said Walker was garbage for those mistakes.
I wasn't the only one saying that Walker made a few costly mistakes early on in the season. Again to correct you but I never said he was close to being dropped, I said he should be dropped if he continued to make the mistakes. I never alluded to what might be in the mind of the management team. It also can't of been that remarkable as other posters on here actually agreed at the time.

I just now need to wait for Ched and Bartley to show you up, and then for you to lie your way out of it.

 

[Blade]

To interject I think yesterday Bartley was garbage but I don't think that display was or will be the pinnacle of his career, overall he may prove to be much better.

Blackwell however chose to end the august transfer window withonly 2 centre backs (and one reliable right back and left back) and also chose not to invest in one permanently. He chose to end the january transfer window without signing a permanent centre back too. Seip, Davies, Nosworthy and Bartley have all had stints and for me all of them have performed at a lower standard than is required to get promoted. Since the start of the season Blackwell has sanctioned/acquiesced to us losing Bromby and Kilgallon.

For us to now get to March and hear him continuing to make excuses about the trouble we are in as a result of his management is both embarrasing and an insult.

 

[Fiery Blade]

I've watched him several times and have not been impressed
As footballers Naughton and Walker are streets ahead given similar ages

 

[alcoblade]

I just now need to wait for Ched.......to show you up, and then for you to lie your way out of it.

And for pigs to fly, and for hell to freeze over.....


UTB

 

[Micalijo]

To interject I think yesterday Bartley was garbage but I don't think that display was or will be the pinnacle of his career, overall he may prove to be much better.

Blackwell however chose to end the august transfer window withonly 2 centre backs (and one reliable right back and left back) and also chose not to invest in one permanently. He chose to end the january transfer window without signing a permanent centre back too. Seip, Davies, Nosworthy and Bartley have all had stints and for me all of them have performed at a lower standard than is required to get promoted. Since the start of the season Blackwell has sanctioned/acquiesced to us losing Bromby and Kilgallon.

For us to now get to March and hear him continuing to make excuses about the trouble we are in as a result of his management is both embarrasing and an insult.

Great stuff. It is an eternal mystery to me how anyone can disagree with this but variety is the spice of life I suppose.

 

[Nuttyboy]

I've been reading about people having ago at Bartley on here, what we have to relise is that he is only 18 years old (a kid), who Arsene Wenger rates highly, has come to a club who at the moment aren't playing to their potential with too many loanees in the side, who don't know how the other defenders/players play their game & have just been chucked in at the deep end because of all the injuries (not making excuses for). If Morgs was in the side this kid would learn a lot about the art of defending, but these players are all playing for their own contracts & to hopefully get back into the reckoning of their parent clubs, so they might not have time to help the lad like Morgs would. I don't think we should be judging him because of the recent bad games, on sunday that lad needed a Professional defender to go over to him & give the lad some encouragement, again Morgs would have done this. He's a young lad in a mans league been chucked into the mire because of injuries (no excuses though), if we could have coaxed him into the side he might have been able to handle the physical side of the game, which they don't tend to do at Arsenal. All i'm asking is give the kid a chance, even Morgs has a bad day at the office now & again (not too many).

 

[Pinchy]

'Another example look at Nani at United'

Oh Dear Bob, I expect this from hack reporters and glory-hunters but not from a Blade!

Take a hundred lines:

United were formed in 1889 and play at Bramall Lane.

 

[Willie Carlin]

Jonathan Forte's plying his trade in the top two divisions but he isn't good enough for United either.
I couldn't give a flying about Kyle Bartley's career, I only care about what he's doing now in a United shirt and he's doing f all apart from giving everyone kittens every time the ball goes near him.
He won't be playing for us ever again after the next few weeks and he's another example of shit management by the manager.
We knew all season we needed a centre half and Blackwell has miserably failed to deal with the problem.
The remarkable thing is that apparently we don't have someone on our own books who can do at least as well as Bartley. That's embarrassing.
Just how bad are our young players?

Bartley and Noseworthy have been at fault with the last two goals scored against us. Bartley at Cardiff and Noseworthy Scunthorpe. Noseworthy is a liability and is much more experienced than Bartley and should be able to do the basic things a defender should do.
We have a young player who could do as good a job as both Bartley and Noseworthy. Get yourself to the reserve game tonight and watch young Matt Lowton perform. :thumbup:

 

[lenners]

Bartley and Noseworthy have been at fault with the last two goals scored against us. Bartley at Cardiff and Noseworthy Scunthorpe. Noseworthy is a liability and is much more experienced than Bartley and should be able to do the basic things a defender should do.
We have a young player who could do as good a job as both Bartley and Noseworthy. Get yourself to the reserve game tonight and watch young Matt Lowton perform. :thumbup:

I would rather Lowton plays than Bartley, if he's any good.
However, he's nearly 21 and has been nowhere near a first team start so far which sadly suggests he either isn't or Blackwell is a very poor judge of our young players.