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For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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I think your last paragraph doesn't fit with A dose of realism does it.
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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Have you seen the form Wolves are in, they will tonk us.
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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Very strange post, I don't think 99% of our fan base expected us to compete with the majority of the EPL....we can all have hope but we were always in a mini league with the likes of Burnley, Luton and a couple of others.


What we did/do expect though is effort, strong leadership and desire....all of which are sadly missing at the moment which is why a change of manager/direction is urgently required
 
Torrix1889 said:
Very strange post, I don't think 99% of our fan base expected us to compete with the majority of the EPL....we can all have hope but we were always in a mini league with the likes of Burnley, Luton and a couple of others.


What we did/do expect though is effort, strong leadership and desire....all of which are sadly missing at the moment which is why a change of manager/direction is urgently required
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Bit weird innit? I’ve seen a few of these types of posts where someone fabricates a narrative just to argue the opposite. “All you that think that Sheffield United can win the Super Bowl are deluding yourselves” Erm. K.
 
Torrix1889 said:
Very strange post, I don't think 99% of our fan base expected us to compete with the majority of the EPL....we can all have hope but we were always in a mini league with the likes of Burnley, Luton and a couple of others.


What we did/do expect though is effort, strong leadership and desire....all of which are sadly missing at the moment which is why a change of manager/direction is urgently required
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We are in a mini league if 1 - ourselves

We are even breaking records that we have set in the first place
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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What a great post sums up exactly what we are .we are not out of this fight to stay up far from it ! This mini league we are in is wide open .We always knew it was a tall order to survive the injuries are just making it even tougher to survive.
Your analysis of the club is spot on .
Will we ever find a rich man to support us.
Going back to when the Prince came in!
Mccabe said ! Think of the support Liverpool had when the Americans came in ,he said that or something similar! .,he must have been kidding as the Prince never had that kind of wealth .
 
We lack the fight, it's a basic thing for us, but it looks like hecky is so scared we aren't even thinking of attacking and still getting pasted.

He's gotta go, he's getting in the ring without any gloves on, and that's on him.
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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Love it when people start a thread aimed at no human being currently in existence
 
Has anyone actually thought that given the shitstorm he’s had to put up with last season and the results this season, that Hecky may be happy to be sacked & take a pay off? Quite possible …. Particularly as he will also know that we have another 15 players out of contract next summer.
 
munksyb said:
Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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We don't seem capable of competing with anyone. We excel at nothing.
There are zero redeeming features.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this squad, with or without the mountain of injuries, has a "realistic" chance of finishing 17th or above.
Also deluded if you think corruption has anything to do with it.

We're simply miles off the level, as individuals and as a collective. On and off the field.

As for next season, we will need to make sales of c. £40m. Archer will take care of half of that going back to Villa but who is going to fetch the rest?
We've then got the majority of the squad going out of contract and a pile of injury prone players heading into the final year of their deal.

The bounce back potential isn't there in the same way as it is for Burnley.
The two teams that come down will be far better placed.
 
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Kizmet said:
Love it when people start a thread aimed at no human being currently in existence
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I’m been continuously perplexed as to why the BBC Gossip column fails to mention us when the rumours of Mbappe moving do the rounds.
 
While we're on the theme of picking random arguments, if we stick with hecky I think we could win the Stanley Cup and the Rother Valley District Snooker Championship. If you disagree you hate the club and you're a plastic
 

CaptainMorgans said:
We don't seem capable of competing with anyone. We excel at nothing.
There are zero redeeming features.

You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think this squad, with or without the mountain of injuries, has a "realistic" chance of finishing 17th or above.
Also deluded if you think corruption has anything to do with it.

We're simply miles off the level, as individuals and as a collective. On and off the field.

As for next season, we will need to make sales of c. £40m. Archer will take care of half of that going back to Villa but who is going to fetch the rest?
We've then got the majority of the squad going out of contract and a pile of injury prone players heading into the final year of their deal.

The bounce back potential isn't there in the same way as it is for Burnley.
The two teams that come down will be far better placed.
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Why would we need to get 40 million quid in?
If we do where is all the money going.
 
BobblesBlade said:
Why would we need to get 40 million quid in?
If we do where is all the money going.
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If history is indeed about to repeat itself- Liverpool/Derby/Back Door...
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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Just watched yesterdays game back…we have nobody and nothing to blame other than ourselves IMO….piss poor defending, offered nothing going forward, tactically rubbish, no fight, no passion….until the basics I’ve just mentioned are improved, nothing will change..
 
munksyb said:
Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
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If you think we can finish 17th or above then you're deluded.

We're going to finish rock bottom with an embarrassingly low points total and break every bad record along the way.
 
PeterNdlovu081 said:
If you think we can finish 17th or above then you're deluded.

We're going to finish rock bottom with an embarrassingly low points total and break every bad record along the way.
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I presume you are not going to tell him just yet that we won't have a 'great squad to build on' either.
As well as the 15 out of contract Prince will sell Hamer the day before the next season starts to some 'ambitious/yet tin pot' outfit like Plymouth.
 
Oh great, another thread about fans saying things that they never said. Only a select few said we'd stay up this season, and a lot of them were saying that Osula looked Premier League ready after pre-season despite scoring no goals and looking average at best. Those same fans celebrated our summer signings saying that we were now better and stronger than last season and that we wouldn't miss Berge or Ndiaye as a result. But hey, the imaginary fans saying things that they didn't say are the deluded ones!
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
UTB
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Don't know a single person who thinks we can compete with Arsenal/ Manuu/ Citeee etc, that's would be stupid.
If we consider this team to be mid table Championship standard then agree we'll always lose against these sides with the rare draw or win.

Disagree with the criticism of VAR because in football there will always be 50/50 or 40/60 decisions.
You see it so often the panel of experts in the studio, even after looking at multiple angles in slow motion they still can't agree.
In these situations which ever team loses the decision, their fans always criticise VAR as being corrupt.
Doesn't help that even the manager negatively affected by the decision will say "definitely not a penalty", where as the manager who gains from the decisions will always say "definitely a penalty". Only last week Liverpool have a goal wrongly disallowed by VAR, are they not a top club?

The reality is that....the teams that dominate tend to be more involved in gaining contentious VAR decisions.
It was the same in the 90's when Man Utd always seemed to gain late penalties, thats because if they were chasing a win
in the last 15 minutes of every match the ball spent loads of time in the oppositions penalty area. So statistically more likely to gain late penalties.

You make a valid point in that we should ignore results against Liverpool, Spurs, Man C, Man Utd, Arsenal etc. Totally agree
Instead we should be focusing on performance against those clubs, the attitude, desire, organisation, confidence, even the ability to pass the ball 3 yards. Doesn't matter who the opposition is, still doesn't stop a team from giving their best and showing basic football ability.

You say beating Luton/ Bournmouth/ Wolves/ Burnley should be within our grasp.
However if you watch any of the Luton/ Bournmouth/ Wolves/ Burnley games they look much much better than us...giving full effort.
In fact based on what we've seen this season....we probably look closer to league 1 standard than Championship standard.
Also the things the manager can control, like pre match tactics, in game tactics, attitude of the players, desire, confidence have been poor.
Don't thing some people have grasped that we're on course to being one of the worse top flight teams ever.
Think of all the crap teams promoted from the Championship in the past with lesser quality players and no funds.
Teams like Carlisle 75, Swindon 94, Barnsley 98, Blackpool 11 etc. We're competing worse than this teams who all had lesser funds than us.

There are people making reasonable comments about Hecky's long list of excuses, which are all generally valid.
It's totally fair to say he's being asked to do a job with 1 arm tied behind his back.
My dissatification is if we accept his as valid, then why is he doing the job, like he's got 2 arms ties behind his back and also a leg cut off?

Warncock used to laugh in the face of adversity, Wilder would get angry and salty, where as Hecky has just given up.
The attitude/ outlook of a manager tends to transfer over to become the attitude of the players on the pitch and that's what we're seeing.
 
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Listen, yes we can all sound defiant and spout off about having fight, and giving it their all…but this isn’t a simple physical fight where 11 men have a jostle with 12 other men on a field.
It’s a game, where the aim is to put a ball in the other teams net, and some of those men are much better at controlling and moving that ball than others, while being able to run and do all that much faster too.
We can set them up tactically, we can run around a lot, we can be determined to battle to get to a ball BUT the problem is that there are laws in the game you have to adhere to, and we simply aren’t close enough to the quality of the opposing teams bridge that huge gap to compete on any level through our tactics and determination.

So it’s very simple, dress it up how you like, but without new players arriving OR the injured players return at the top of their levels from the off I see us failing to get anywhere close to staying up. We will be lucky to get double figures such are the problems facing the team.

NO manager will make any difference to the outcome without significant change in personnel.
 
Grizzly blade said:
Listen, yes we can all sound defiant and spout off about having fight, and giving it their all…but this isn’t a simple physical fight where 11 men have a jostle with 12 other men on a field.
It’s a game, where the aim is to put a ball in the other teams net, and some of those men are much better at controlling and moving that ball than others, while being able to run and do all that much faster too.
We can set them up tactically, we can run around a lot, we can be determined to battle to get to a ball BUT the problem is that there are laws in the game you have to adhere to, and we simply aren’t close enough to the quality of the opposing teams bridge that huge gap to compete on any level through our tactics and determination.

So it’s very simple, dress it up how you like, but without new players arriving OR the injured players return at the top of their levels from the off I see us failing to get anywhere close to staying up. We will be lucky to get double figures such are the problems facing the team.

NO manager will make any difference to the outcome without significant change in personnel.
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How come every other promoted team from the Championship in history has been able to compete?

Even the Norwich21 team that finished bottom on 21 points played attacking (trying to win) football, their problem was they were too open in defense.
Our Sheff United team from 22 that finished on 23 points were competitive under Wilder, we have loads of close evenly contested games
but went though a phase of losing 1-0 every week, the problem was we simply couldn't score, we only scored 20 goal in 39 matches.

This season we're so far behind the standard it's scary, even the likes of Luton and Burnley look far better teams than us.
Their fans are still behind these teams because they're competitive having attacks and at least, trying to win.

Do you think this current team would be relegated from the Championship into league 1? I think we'd easily be bottom half but just stay up.
How come, so many of our players seem to have given us, look uncomfortable on the ball and unable to perform the basics?

A new manager might not effect results but we'll see an instant improvement in desire and confidence, meaning more composure and better passing.
There will also be a game plan to try and win, as long as we trying, giving our best, giving it a go, that's all you can ask.
 
munksyb said:
For all of those out there that think we can compete with the
Arsenal/ Manure/Citee/Spurs etc
You are deluding yourselves
We may every now & then beat them , but as a club , finances and ability to entice world class players will never let that happen.
Wilder was on the path to breaking that mould, but finances kicked in.

Until FFP is properly adhered to , and VAR IS run by competent people sticking to the rule of ‘ clear & obvious error’ without favouring the top clubs, we will at best be bottom to middle of premier.

Losing to manure/Citee/Arsenal/Spurs etc is to be expected, with hopefully the odd win or draw, however.
Beating Luton/Burnley/Wolves/Bournemouth etc should be well within our grasp.

Realistically I’m still hopeful we can finish above17th or above, but going down (if that does happen) will leave us with a great squad to build upon, and like Burnley bounce back
UTB
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With regard to your last paragraph, who are these players in a great squad? Egan past it and a busted flush. Basham won’t be back, RND, don’t expect to see him again. Larouchi and Lowe simply not good enough. Fleck and Norwood simply too slow now. Even the championship has got more physical. McBurnie out of contract but injury prone anyway, Brewster Meh! Traore too weak and in reality a winger, Macatee, gone back to MC and Archer to Villa. Expect Hamer, Anel and Baldock to try and engineer moves away. Well that leaves us with Wes, Bogle the tricky winger, Robinson, Marsh Osula, Arblaster, Seriki and Bubu. I’m not convinced we’re bouncing anywhere especially if Mr Decisive is still manager.
 

And I forgot we also have the tribute to the Blackpool Pleasure Beach Wild Mouse Ride Benny Boy. Yeah I’m full of confidence.
 
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