30K plus crowds

[Tony]

To add balance to this, you have to say that we are having a great season and them a poor one, they are also getting charged a lot more than we do.

I think in terms of crowds they do get more than us both home and away but the gap is not as big as they like to believe and if we get to the premier league before they do we could overtake them.

Keep taking the Pork Pills. Total b......t.

 

[Danny_Boy]

Keep taking the Pork Pills. Total b......t.

Instead of insulting me and calling my post bullshit how about discuss the points I raised, if you disagree with me that's fine but tell me where I am wrong and what your disagree with.

We are averaging more than them by 200ish: Fact.
We are exceeding our expectations: Fact.
They have been dreadful: Fact.
They're tickets cost a lot more than ours: Fact.

What have I posted that is bullshit?

 

[Tony]

Didn't mean to be insulting but "in terms of crowds they do get more than us both home and away" pi***s me off. Amazing that there tickets are so expensive they've gone from 21/22000 averages to 27000 in the last couple of seasons when the prices have gone up. Majority of fans nowadays have season tickets and that is why it doesn't make a great deal of difference to pay on the day attendances to the club. Even those without ST's have discounts for Club Members. Think you'd be surprised at how small a difference it is between their prices and ours over a season on the Kop. Tell you something else, if the attendances were based on people actually attending the games, not adding on ST holders who don't attend, you could add another 0 to the end of the 200.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Instead of insulting me and calling my post bullshit how about discuss the points I raised, if you disagree with me that's fine but tell me where I am wrong and what your disagree with.

We are averaging more than them by 200ish: Fact.
We are exceeding our expectations: Fact.
They have been dreadful: Fact.
They're tickets cost a lot more than ours: Fact.

What have I posted that is bullshit?

SW current attendances are artificially high, the highest in decades.
They’ve sold record season tickets based on the promise of promotion and big signings.

Those season tickets are automatically included in the gate regardless of whether they turn up.
Apparently recent attendees at s6 have been around the 20K mark.

Also their gates have been boosted by over 3K Sunderland and Boro fans and over 4K Leeds fans.
Where as at BL the most away fans we have is 2,200 each match.

 

[JJ Sefton]

No.



At least not in that game.

The day after I arrived at Swansea Uni and the day before my 19th birthday. Classic stuff.

 

[Danny_Boy]

SW current attendances are artificially high, the highest in decades.
They’ve sold record season tickets based on the promise of promotion and big signings.

Those season tickets are automatically included in the gate regardless of whether they turn up.
Apparently recent attendees at s6 have been around the 20K mark.

Also their gates have been boosted by over 3K Sunderland and Boro fans and over 4K Leeds fans.
Where as at BL the most away fans we have is 2,200 each match.

All fair points, I think our crowds are excellent by the way and I was not trying to bring them down, I actually think we have a larger hardcore support than Wednesday but I think they have more glory fans and the old hanger ons that used to go 20 years ago but just turn up to big games now.

Re the season tickets being counted whether they attend or not, that is an interesting point, should they count (since they've paid) or should they not count (since they are not there)?

 

[blade too long]

ITS WORTH NOTING

our average of over 30 k in 2007 was down to the other sub 30 k being near enough to 30 k to bolster the overall average
and that our lowest crowd that season was better than their average in 7 of 9 of their prem seasons

 

[Tony]

All fair points, I think our crowds are excellent by the way and I was not trying to bring them down, I actually think we have a larger hardcore support than Wednesday but I think they have more glory fans and the old hanger ons that used to go 20 years ago but just turn up to big games now.

Re the season tickets being counted whether they attend or not, that is an interesting point, should they count (since they've paid) or should they not count (since they are not there)?

Spot on.Should show actual footfall. If a nuke hits a ground which says the attendance is 26589 they will say 26589 were killed. But if the crowd was actually only 21571 they'll be looking for another 5018 bodies. Oh lordy, I'm getting a headache.

 

[tincan]

I don't get the preoccupation with the nobodies of S6, entirely irrelevant - look to those who are ahead --how do we turn 30,000 into the 75000 average the shitmasters of Manchester suck in?

 

[Pinchy]

Nice to see our average attendance is marginally better than theirs this season, seeing as though they like to play on this so much.

Very little in it but never the less nice, even more so considering they have had the home derby fixture too!

We will be comfortably ahead by the end of the season.

Attendances are the only thing that matters and this city is now ours in every way. We’re massive.

 

[Pinchy]

All fair points, I think our crowds are excellent by the way and I was not trying to bring them down, I actually think we have a larger hardcore support than Wednesday but I think they have more glory fans and the old hanger ons that used to go 20 years ago but just turn up to big games now.

Re the season tickets being counted whether they attend or not, that is an interesting point, should they count (since they've paid) or should they not count (since they are not there)?

The difference is marginal. The vast majority of those who have bought tickets do attend the game. That’s why they bought the ticket...

The stuff peddled on here about Sunderland, for example, getting less than 20,000 is simply risible.

 

[Pinchy]

This is the last stick this season which they can beat us ,

That stick has snapped too.

Of course attendances matter. It’s an indicator of how well you are going and your relative status in football. Not conclusive or determinative of course, but it’s a factor.

Why would any Blade not want the Lane to be packed with people supporting our excellent team?

Crowds are not the be all and end all but they certainly do matter.

We’re massive.

 

[metalblade]

Sort of sums up you typical pig fan looking at the figures. At the start of the season optimism is high and the pigs turn out in numbers, where are they the rest of the season? If at the end of the season they are doing well or in a must win relegation game again they all crawl out of the woodwork again. Another factor that favours the pigs is ground capacity just one crowd of 38,000 puts up their average quite a bit even if a larger proportion of fans in the stadium are away fans, don't forget we are only offering around 2,500 seats to away support whereas they can offer a lot more to away fans. If we were only counting home fans in our calculations we would be a good way in front. And don't fall for the bollocks about pricing their 20,000 season ticket sales were made on the back of massive spending and buying for 3 years at the pre increase prices by which time they would be in the Premier League, the pigs fell for that one which is not going to happen, I can't wait to see how many they sell when the prices go up in the summer.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

When you see the list of all the clubs that have averaged 30,000 since 1970 it is incredible they are so widely accepted as massive. Half a century of excuses is going some.

If anyone has time on their hands please put that list on.
I would suggest that they "are so widely accepted as massive" only in the Corridor of Stupidity between the old Middlewood Hospital and Barnsley Town Hall.

 

[Eddiecolquhounsleg]

Sort of sums up you typical pig fan looking at the figures. At the start of the season optimism is high and the pigs turn out in numbers, where are they the rest of the season? If at the end of the season they are doing well or in a must win relegation game again they all crawl out of the woodwork again. Another factor that favours the pigs is ground capacity just one crowd of 38,000 puts up their average quite a bit even if a larger proportion of fans in the stadium are away fans, don't forget we are only offering around 2,500 seats to away support whereas they can offer a lot more to away fans. If we were only counting home fans in our calculations we would be a good way in front. And don't fall for the bollocks about pricing their 20,000 season ticket sales were made on the back of massive spending and buying for 3 years at the pre increase prices by which time they would be in the Premier League, the pigs fell for that one which is not going to happen, I can't wait to see how many they sell when the prices go up in the summer.

I was always taught that to calculate a true average you should take out the top and bottom figures of your set (or even the top and bottom two figures) and then work out the average from what is left.

By simple virtue of Hillsborough being a bigger ground means their average attendances are skewed by large attendances, usually at the end of a season, where promotion or relegation is being fought.

Now that the SAG has reduced capacity at Hillsborough their average will fall more in line with ours over the whole season.

Does anyone here think that if the Lane held, say 35k, that the attendance on Boxing Day wouldn't have been higher?

 

[Sheffsteel]

The difference is marginal. The vast majority of those who have bought tickets do attend the game. That’s why they bought the ticket...

The stuff peddled on here about Sunderland, for example, getting less than 20,000 is simply risible.

No it’s not marginal.

Wednesdays game against Wolves had easily below 20K in attendance, that’s 5,000 below the official reported attendance.

Arsenal and especially West Ham have up to 15,000 season ticket holders not turning up for unattractive league matches.

 

[Sheffsteel]

I was always taught that to calculate a true average you should take out the top and bottom figures of your set (or even the top and bottom two figures) and then work out the average from what is left.

By simple virtue of Hillsborough being a bigger ground means their average attendances are skewed by large attendances, usually at the end of a season, where promotion or relegation is being fought.

Now that the SAG has reduced capacity at Hillsborough their average will fall more in line with ours over the whole season.

Does anyone here think that if the Lane held, say 35k, that the attendance on Boxing Day wouldn't have been higher?

Sunderland could have brought an extra 2K for starters. We’d have had an extra 1,000 or so.

At the moment we do need a slightly bigger stadium. 36K is probably ideal for most situations.

 

[S64 Blade]

Sunderland could have brought an extra 2K for starters. We’d have had an extra 1,000 or so.

At the moment we do need a slightly bigger stadium. 36K is probably ideal for most situations.

Plus I suspect we may have had more pay on the day in the home end. There wasn't many groups of 2 or more seats anywhere in the ground, so I guess some will have just left it.

 

[Pinchy]

No it’s not marginal.

Wednesdays game against Wolves had easily below 20K in attendance, that’s 5,000 below the official reported attendance.

Arsenal and especially West Ham have up to 15,000 season ticket holders not turning up for unattractive league matches.

Utter nonsense.

 

[FATTYFOULKE]

Sunderland could have brought an extra 2K for starters. We’d have had an extra 1,000 or so.

At the moment we do need a slightly bigger stadium. 36K is probably ideal for most situations.

I think the reason that Wednesday are generally seen by outsiders to have the bigger support of the Sheffield clubs is purely down to stadium capacity over the years.

Wednesday have just under 40,000 seats but have never filled the ground on a regular basis. Start of season and end of season games have always skewed their average.

We on the other hand have always been limited by the smaller capacity. There is no argument there has been many games where we could have sold thousands more tickets given the capacity.

We need a 35k-37k capacity in my opinion. A bigger kop/South Stand allowing us to give more tickets to away fans. Why not have 4-5000 away fans when we’d have 30,000 home fans?

The only downside is if we dropped down the leagues and played in a stadium with say 20,000 empty seats. The atmosphere would be terrible and I think Wednesday suffer from this to a certain extent.

25k at the Lane and the ground looks reasonably full and has a decent atmosphere. 25k at Hillsborough and you have 15000 empty seats.

We have to be careful we don’t build a ground too big for us as I believe to be the case across the city.

 

[dublin 10 blade]

That stick has snapped too.

Of course attendances matter. It’s an indicator of how well you are going and your relative status in football. Not conclusive or determinative of course, but it’s a factor.

Why would any Blade not want the Lane to be packed with people supporting our excellent team?

Crowds are not the be all and end all but they certainly do matter.

We’re massive.

Of course I want the lane to be packed every second week , and I’d love to be there as part of it .
However this is a refuge the pigs use all the time ,
And I’ve been there when there was less than 12k in attendance,
Proud of our support no matter how many’s there
UTB

 

[Pinchy]

Of course I want the lane to be packed every second week , and I’d love to be there as part of it .
However this is a refuge the pigs use all the time ,
And I’ve been there when there was less than 12k in attendance,
Proud of our support no matter how many’s there
UTB

They can’t use it this season. Our average gate has surpassed theirs and we’ll be comfortably ahead by April.

 

[Sheffsteel]

They can’t use it this season. Our average gate has surpassed theirs and we’ll be comfortably ahead by April.

Agree, that’s why they’re starting to move on from average gates. All of a sudden it no longer matters to them ha ha.

Whilst ever we lead them in the attendance table then it will be about “revenue”.

It does make me chuckle how some their fans are so deluded that they think it’s impossible we can have more fans attending matches.
They try to convince themselves that we give away 1000’s of freebies every match.

 

[snootyfenooty]

It does make me chuckle how some their fans are so deluded that they think it’s impossible we can have more fans attending matches.
They try to convince themselves that we give away 1000’s of freebies every match.

It makes me chuckle even more that they think its great coughing up 50% more than we do. Any club which charges less for their fans is the one which gets the kudos, not the one which is ripping them off. They're too fucking thick to understand this.

 

[EddieColquhoun]

It makes me chuckle even more that they think its great coughing up 50% more than we do. Any club which charges less for their fans is the one which gets the kudos, not the one which is ripping them off. They're too fucking thick to understand this.

With the exception of the derby game in September they don't get many paying on the gate besides away fans.

 

[stringjunior]

It makes me chuckle even more that they think its great coughing up 50% more than we do. Any club which charges less for their fans is the one which gets the kudos, not the one which is ripping them off. They're too fucking thick to understand this.

Although there is the theory that consumers feel they're getting something extra, better and more special when they pay more for an item.

John Lewis are an excellent example of this. Almost everything in their shops can be bought cheaper elsewhere, however there is an intangible benefit received by consumers when they shop at John Lewis. It's to do with the decor, the smell of the place, the staff, our memories of the coffee shop in Coles and it's spluttering water boilers, the way the place is immaculate all the time etc. It all adds value to the shopping experience and some people believe this added value transfers somehow to the item bought.

Of course this theory can't work at the Sty because it's a shit hole and no matter how much you pay for your season ticket you can't polish a turd.

 

[stringjunior]

....and of course String makes a living from consumers transferring the value received from their shopping experience to the item they're buying. The slaaaaaag...

 

[Ainsley Harriott]

It does make me chuckle how some their fans are so deluded that they think it’s impossible we can have more fans attending matches.
They try to convince themselves that we give away 1000’s of freebies every match.

Today is bring a friend for a tenner. I personally haven’t taken up that offer as I have no actual friends... I only know of 1 person who has taken that offer up. All this garbage of adults getting in on kids tickets is another one they use. I was on a student ticket for a season and was pulled by stewards on a couple of occasions. They DO check. Not everybody, but it does happen. I know a lad who is a right tight cunt. So much so that he squashed up to a mate and they go in one ticket. Told him I wanted a pint “get one ya sen”. You’ve saved £25 on a ticket ya tight get. The cheek honestly. He’s got a season ticket this season. Think he knew he might get collared one day....