2006 spending when last preparing for the Premier League.

[Woodwardfan]

Transfers fees for United signings that year:

Leigeterwod £600k
Davis £3m
Hulse £2.2m rising to > £3m.
Kazim-Richds £150k
Kilgallon £1.75 > £2m.
Stead £750k>£1.25m
Shelton £2m
Fathy £700k

Total £12.7m


Inflation added value of £ since then - £1.42
Expenditure in today's money value £18m

Added to that figure would be the extra salaries of course. I do not know what the salary figure was for the 2006/7 season ( Sean?) but I do remember the 2007/8 salary figure was £23m for Robson/ Blackwell ( today's money inflation added value - £1.38 = £31.7m).

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

The latest recent salary figure I recall is £11.5m and must have been for the 2017/18 season and it could have been all staff. ( may even have been last season but Accounts not out yet). In 2016 I reckon player salaries were around £6m ( Sean?).
.
Last season we profited by about £8m from transfer fees.

I think there are discussion points starting with the miracle Wilder has performed and the size of his challenge next season.

Footnote: Burnley, as an example , spent £38.7m on transfer fees last season and their wage budget was £81.6m. They were in a relegation fight for most of the season.

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Transfers fees for United signings that year:

Leigeterwod £600k
Davis £3m
Hulse £2.2m rising to > £3m.
Kazim-Richds £150k
Kilgallon £1.75 > £2m.
Stead £750k>£1.25m
Shelton £2m
Fathy £700k

Total £12.7m


Inflation added value of £ since then - £1.42
Expenditure in today's money value £18m

Added to that figure would be the extra salaries of course. I do not know what the salary figure was for the 2006/7 season ( Sean?) but I do remember the 2007/8 salary figure was £23m for Robson/ Blackwell ( today's money inflation added value - £1.38 = £31.7m).

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

The latest recent salary figure I recall is £11.5m and must have been for the 2017/18 season and it could have been all staff. ( may even have been last season but Accounts not out yet). In 2016 I reckon player salaries were around £6m ( Sean?).
.
Last season we profited by about £8m from transfer fees.

I think there are discussion points starting with the miracle Wilder has performed and the size of his challenge next season.

Footnote: Burnley, as an example , spent £38.7m on transfer fees last season and their wage budget was £81.6m. They were in a relegation fight for most of the season.

Last season's wages were 20 million.which was double the year before, this year's will be higher again.and next season's will probably be at least double that

 

[Houso]

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

That seems to be your general impression as I've seen you state it repeatedly. No one will have a clue until we get to the end of the window... and even then, we still won't have the full picture.

Plus, using inflation alone for today's relative values is a misnomer. I think this goes overboard on values, but the likes of Kilgallon would have gone for 2 or 3 times what we paid for him in today's market.

 

[LJBlade]

That seems to be your general impression as I've seen you state it repeatedly. No one will have a clue until we get to the end of the window... and even then, we still won't have the full picture.

Plus, using inflation alone for today's relative values is a misnomer. I think this goes overboard on values, but the likes of Kilgallon would have gone for 2 or 3 times what we paid for him in today's market.

Norwich have said their budget will be £20m and Wilder said ours will be about the same. Unless I’m mistaken

 

[Woodwardfan]

That seems to be your general impression as I've seen you state it repeatedly. No one will have a clue until we get to the end of the window... and even then, we still won't have the full picture.

Plus, using inflation alone for today's relative values is a misnomer. I think this goes overboard on values, but the likes of Kilgallon would have gone for 2 or 3 times what we paid for him in today's market.

Yes Houso my inflation rate considerably understates the miracle Wilder is working. Very big and good point you make.

Maybe the football inflation figure is x3, maybe x4, maybe x 8 in the Premier League. Look at Burnley's wages, that modest small town club ( and what a job Dyche has done there).

 

[Niceguyeddie]

I honestly wouldn't pay too much attention to.what wilder says regards the budget only in wether he is happy with it or not ( which he seems to be ). All the evidence in the past seems to.suggrst that the owners have given him whatever funds are available (i.e the maguire and walker sell ons ,brooks money minus the monry needed to run the club ) and I'm confident that will happen again this season

 

[Niceguyeddie]

Yes Houso my inflation rate considerably understates the miracle Wilder is working. Very big and good point you make.

Maybe the football inflation figure is x3, maybe x4, maybe x 8 in the Premier League. Look at Burnley's wages, that modest small town club ( and what a job Dyche has done there).

They have slowly built that since beating us in the play off final ten years ago their strategy should be our plan b and Bournemouth our plan a

 

[Houso]

Norwich have said their budget will be £20m and Wilder said ours will be about the same. Unless I’m mistaken

If he's said that then fair enough. I thought he said we'd have the same approach (i.e. not going mad). Either way, what he says, and what he spends is so very very different. If you've got 100million to spend, you don't say you have 100million to spend. Norwich's 20million is potentially much more than that too..

Yes Houso my inflation rate considerably understates the miracle Wilder is working. Very big and good point you make.

Maybe the football inflation figure is x3, maybe x4, maybe x 8 in the Premier League. Look at Burnley's wages, that modest small town club ( and what a job Dyche has done there).

I'm sure the website I link to will explain it, but you've got to factor in how much clubs are paying and how much clubs are asking for these days. Look at the likes of Peterborough in League One and the transfer fees they've received in recent years. Go back to when we were in the top league and even then, it's inconceivable a club would get that much.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Thanks to Houso I can put more realistic Football Inflation figures to add to my O.P.

Transfer fee inflation since 2006 is 750%.

Premier League wages rose 1,500% in 20 years. That's the best guide I could find in a short time.

Wow!

 

[Newbury Blade]

It’s not how much, it’s how you spend it. All but three of those Warnock signings were poor.

 

[BushBlade]

What budget? Transfer budget? Wages budget? Combined budget? Do we have to have repeated threads on our ‘budget’ based on an off the cuff comment from Wilder?

https://www.s24su.com/forum/index.php?threads/transfer-budget.72577/page-8#post-2039230

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

Norwich have said their budget will be £20m and Wilder said ours will be about the same. Unless I’m mistaken

People keep saying this but I haven’t read direct quotes from him or heard him say it. Might be true all the same but I don’t know where it’s been plucked from.

If he has said that he may also be quoting a lower budget for bargaining purposes.

 

[Tony]

Transfers fees for United signings that year:

Leigeterwod £600k
Davis £3m
Hulse £2.2m rising to > £3m.
Kazim-Richds £150k
Kilgallon £1.75 > £2m.
Stead £750k>£1.25m
Shelton £2m
Fathy £700k

Total £12.7m


Inflation added value of £ since then - £1.42
Expenditure in today's money value £18m

Added to that figure would be the extra salaries of course. I do not know what the salary figure was for the 2006/7 season ( Sean?) but I do remember the 2007/8 salary figure was £23m for Robson/ Blackwell ( today's money inflation added value - £1.38 = £31.7m).

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

The latest recent salary figure I recall is £11.5m and must have been for the 2017/18 season and it could have been all staff. ( may even have been last season but Accounts not out yet). In 2016 I reckon player salaries were around £6m ( Sean?).
.
Last season we profited by about £8m from transfer fees.

I think there are discussion points starting with the miracle Wilder has performed and the size of his challenge next season.

Footnote: Burnley, as an example , spent £38.7m on transfer fees last season and their wage budget was £81.6m. They were in a relegation fight for most of the season.

Tr

 

[derfblade.3]

Davis was a calamity . £3 mill wasted.

 

[BladeInIreland]

People keep saying this but I haven’t read direct quotes from him or heard him say it. Might be true all the same but I don’t know where it’s been plucked from.

If he has said that he may also be quoting a lower budget for bargaining purposes.

I actually remember an interview being done talking about Norwich AND Fulham. He said somewhere on between. Which is 20 -100 mill aka I’m not telling you.

 

[Silent Blade]

Wilder's transfer kitty is undisclosed until we see the figures after the end of the next season. Last August papers thought we bought Egan for £4M and Norwood for £2.5M. Nine months later Wilder revealed that we paid less for both players than the papers quoted. It is never a good idea to reveal what our transfer kitty is.

 

[Grappler]

Davis was a calamity . £3 mill wasted.

True, but luckily we had Derby's trousers down when we offloaded him to them for 3 million quid.

 

[FallowfieldBlade]

Norwich have said their budget will be £20m and Wilder said ours will be about the same. Unless I’m mistaken

Have they actually said they ?

I’d hope we’ll sign two marquee signings around 10/15 million then a few others

Doubt we’ve actually got a set amount hopefully 30/40 tho on signings

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wilder's transfer kitty is undisclosed until we see the figures after the end of the next season. Last August papers thought we bought Egan for £4M and Norwood for £2.5M. Nine months later Wilder revealed that we paid less for both players than the papers quoted. It is never a good idea to reveal what our transfer kitty is.

Hi Silent. I guess you agree with the general tenor and summary in the O. P. though.

If we defied all the odds last season with s bottom third Championship budget, we have an even bigger challenge next season.

Let's hope our manager extends his miraculous achievements next season.

Why discuss? I suppose we all need to understand the size of the task and stand with him if we have a difficult first few months. Let whoever the owners are know we are with our manager, come what may.

 

[Silent Blade]

Hi Silent. I guess you agree with the general tenor and summary in the O. P. though.

If we defied all the odds last season with s bottom third Championship budget, we have an even bigger challenge next season.

Let's hope our manager extends his miraculous achievements next season.

Why discuss? I suppose we all need to understand the size of the task and stand with him if we have a difficult first few months. Let whoever the owners are know we are with our manager, come what may.

Wilder has said he knows his budget and he is happy with it. If you are playing in a card game it is never a good idea to reveal your hand to anyone else.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Wilder's transfer kitty is undisclosed until we see the figures after the end of the next season. Last August papers thought we bought Egan for £4M and Norwood for £2.5M. Nine months later Wilder revealed that we paid less for both players than the papers quoted. It is never a good idea to reveal what our transfer kitty is.

I’ll be honest, I still don’t understand the Egan fee. It’s one thing to say the press got the amount wrong, but we specifically highlighted through the club’s media that this was a club record signing, i.e more than the £4m Beattie fee: https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2018/july/john-egan-signs/

 

[Silent Blade]

I’ll be honest, I still don’t understand the Egan fee. It’s one thing to say the press got the amount wrong, but we specifically highlighted through the club’s media that this was a club record signing, i.e more than the £4m Beattie fee: https://www.sufc.co.uk/news/2018/july/john-egan-signs/

Maybe the Beattie fee was really less than the £4M quoted?

I remember a friend of a director told my dad in 1978 that we signed Peter Anderson on loan from Tampa Bay Rowdies for £5,000 but it says in the papers that we bought him for £100,000.

 

[Tony]

Transfers fees for United signings that year:

Leigeterwod £600k
Davis £3m
Hulse £2.2m rising to > £3m.
Kazim-Richds £150k
Kilgallon £1.75 > £2m.
Stead £750k>£1.25m
Shelton £2m
Fathy £700k

Total £12.7m


Inflation added value of £ since then - £1.42
Expenditure in today's money value £18m

Added to that figure would be the extra salaries of course. I do not know what the salary figure was for the 2006/7 season ( Sean?) but I do remember the 2007/8 salary figure was £23m for Robson/ Blackwell ( today's money inflation added value - £1.38 = £31.7m).

There seems to be a general impression on here that Wilder's budget is £20m.

The latest recent salary figure I recall is £11.5m and must have been for the 2017/18 season and it could have been all staff. ( may even have been last season but Accounts not out yet). In 2016 I reckon player salaries were around £6m ( Sean?).
.
Last season we profited by about £8m from transfer fees.

I think there are discussion points starting with the miracle Wilder has performed and the size of his challenge next season.

Footnote: Burnley, as an example , spent £38.7m on transfer fees last season and their wage budget was £81.6m. They were in a relegation fight for most of the season.

Don't know where all these spurious figures come from. Only Tufty and the Lane top brass know what the budget is. The Blades have to get away from the mindset that "cheap is best" and get into the real world. Needs to be a minimum of £50/60 million to be in with a shout of avoiding relegation.

 

[Boxer Blade]

All irrelevant until "Sean" comes on to clear it all up, you can see him sat in his large armchair, legs crossed, whiskey in one hand stroking his white cat on his lap smoking a large cigar with a wide grin thinking " I'll bide my time on this one boys and girls".
Just to clear a point it's Sean smoking a cigar not his cat, that would be bloody stupid.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Maybe the Beattie fee was really less than the £4M quoted?

£4 million has consistently been what the club has stated the Beattie fee as. It seems back at that time we hadn’t quite got to the blanket approach of undisclosed fees for everything, as this page from the club website in 2007 shows.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Wilder has said he knows his budget and he is happy with it. If you are playing in a card game it is never a good idea to reveal your hand to anyone else.

Bit like the High Court eh?

Maybe you do reveal it by some means or other if you're playing cards with a partner or in a united team game.

 

[Manuel Azaña]

We bought Haidong for £1.

#WastedMoney

 

[Silent Blade]

£4 million has consistently been what the club has stated the Beattie fee as. It seems back at that time we hadn’t quite got to the blanket approach of undisclosed fees for everything, as this page from the club website in 2007 shows.

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Looking at the price column a lot of the fees were undisclosed so the author of that page doesnt have full knowledge of the fees and he will have put in the prices as quoted in the papers

 

[Silent Blade]

Bit like the High Court eh?

Maybe you do reveal it by some means or other if you're playing cards with a partner or in a united team game.

Not sure how much Knill or the other backroom staff know of the transfer kitty. I would think Wilder and Mitchell reveal their list of the targets to Carl Shieber/ Paul Bettis who then estimate the costs of the fee/wages/agents fee etc and then discuss with the owners. It sounds like that they have agreed to most of the targets. Am sure that these will have been planned from the last 6 to 8 months.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Looking at the price column a lot of the fees were undisclosed so the author of that page doesnt have full knowledge of the fees and he will have put in the prices as quoted in the papers

Or as quoted from the club? There are some very minutely different fees to what the papers reported them as (eg Hulse’s and Carney’s that were reported as £2.2m and £50k in the press) and the reason is presumably because the club info was different. The fact that it isn’t listed as undisclosed for Beattie and is £4m, on a page from the official website, sure strengthens the idea that it IS £4m.

At a guess, there are elements of the Egan deal that would push the fee above £4m if certain conditions are met, but the differing accounts of the fee serve both the club and Wilder’s interests from when they’ve mentioned it: club last summer (“we’ve broken the club fee, look at this ambition”) vs Wilder (“we haven’t actually paid £4m, look at the value we got”)