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[Barney]

He's already answered this one. "It wouldn't be his decision, it would be down to the board"

Should be a classic thread.

He tried an "Adkins is the Anti-Christ" post on Bladesmad, but he didn't last long. He was as welcome as a bacon sandwich at a Jewish wedding.

So did you go to the match today to sell..or give away your season ticket? And did you get rid of it? And is it on a sale or return basis?

I managed to sell it thankfully, so wasn't at the game, again, thankfully.

 

[chipsncake]

Although it would be ridiculous to sack Adkins at this stage who would you want to have as manager if this was to happen? Obviously someone who we could realistically get. Can't wait for all the names.

Justin Edinburgh would certainly be in the frame.

 

[Revolution]

Spoke to some Shrimpers in Dev Cat and they said that loads of fans picked this game as a special day out due to good beer and welcoming city.

Plus it's a new ground for a lot of them - we haven't played them since 1997.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Spoke to some Shrimpers in Dev Cat and they said that loads of fans picked this game as a special day out due to good beer and welcoming city.

And a guaranteed point, maybe even three.

 

[finlaytheblade]

Thought this was a count for hammonds misplaced passes

I see the latest boo boy is Hammond why so some fans have to have a scapegoat beats me.He is just finding his feet and was ok yesterday,Adkins (manager) beleave in him and his previously clubs all made him capt why?.if I was a player I would find it difficult as a number of fans can't wait to berate there own players lay off and ime sure we would perform better.

 

[Bladesway]

Why do you think we were lucky with Adkin's appointment? I'm concerned that there are a lot of people around with a similar view and cannot think of a single reason why. Yes, most people thought at the time he was a decent appointment but going forward he gives no cause for optimism and I certainly don't feel we are lucky to have him on board. The thought of having to start again is indeed almost unthinkable but if Adkins carries on like he is doing then we will be left with no choice as it would take a brave man to trust him with January's money.

We arent any further forward than when Clough was in charge. Look at points per game and results. We score more goals sure but we concede more as well. I dont think there would ever have been a 4-0 at Gillingham for instance under Clough.

What needs to happen is continuity. A manager given a clear 2 seasons and hopefully in that time he clears the shit out.

There is one other common factor of course. Blackman sold from Wilson, Harry from Clough and Murphy from Adkins. Doesnt matter who the manager is, you always struggle without your best players.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Who would that be?

It's apparent that he doesn't have an answer, likely he doesn't have the first clue but by keep labouring the same point he gets a warm feeling inside. When we sack Adkins and get a Parkinson or Cooper he'll be the first one saying we haven't moved on.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Some fans seem to be suggesting the method of appointment is to ignore a cv and background and just judge a manager on their current job.

As Walsall and Gillinghsm are having great seasons so far then let's pay their clubs loads of compensation and get their managers.

Doesn't matter that they have no track record of achieving anything, no experience of pressure and expectation, never been in the Champiinship, in fact hardly any experience at all.

Maybe the answer is to follow SWFC and let the board with Phipps and advisors chose players and just have managers (any manager) who is willing to take a year by year rolling contract. At least we won't need to pay compensation when we sack them.

Maybe stability is over rated. Maybe we should deliberately develop a management merry go round model like they do abroad.

Still think the board deserve massive credit for being ambitious and bringing in the best man with the best cv and relevant skills.

It seems at the moment we could appoint Jose Mourinho with Leonel Messi and if we had a bad start everyone would complain saying it was obvious Mourinho was finished and can't ever be a good manage again and It was obvious Messi was past it. In fact why are we buying top rated international players who won't get the same room and time in league 1. We should be buying top league 1 players not world class superstars.

 

[blade too long]

We arent any further forward than when Clough was in charge. Look at points per game and results. We score more goals sure but we concede more as well. I dont think there would ever have been a 4-0 at Gillingham for instance under Clough.

What needs to happen is continuity. A manager given a clear 2 seasons and hopefully in that time he clears the shit out.

There is one other common factor of course. Blackman sold from Wilson, Harry from Clough and Murphy from Adkins. Doesnt matter who the manager is, you always struggle without your best players.

the other common factor you avoid is key players still missing or not yet fully fit
harry and murphy asked to go
stop blaming the club , if players want more money and a higher level of football there is little we can do

 

[spongebobblade]

If it's so bad you could try making it 19 006.

If it was that good your specsavers eye test must be due

 

[Bladesway]

the other common factor you avoid is key players still missing or not yet fully fit
harry and murphy asked to go
stop blaming the club , if players want more money and a higher level of football there is little we can do

So let me get this straight. The plight of the club is nothing to do with the club?

 

[alcoblade]

Justin Edinburgh would certainly be in the frame.

That's the trouble emotional decisions. His last 6 months overrides a career of success.

There have been thousands of Justin Edinburgh's, trumpeted for a few months and forgotten forever, the only memory being fans complaining that their board is always short sighted.

UTB

 

[metalblade]

If it was that good your specsavers eye test must be due

William Henry Foulkes will always say we were good so I wouldn't take anything he writes too seriously. For long periods in the first half we were terrible if an opposing team had been that bad we would have been pissing ourselves laughing at them. We hardly won a header we certainly never won the second ball most passes went astray we couldn't do anything right a better team than Southend would have been out of sight long before the lucky goal from Baxter got us back into the game. Let's remember Southend are just up from league two same as Bury who gave us a football lesson not so long back, I don't think we would have got back into the game against other sides the Shrimpers defence panicked every time the ball went in their box in fact they were as bad as our back four, I'm still wondering how we managed to go in at HT at 2-2 after being totally outplayed by an organised but limited Southend.

 

[blade too long]

So let me get this straight. The plight of the club is nothing to do with the club?

plight,
we cant make players stay , as any other club in league one
swindon for instance , lost half a team
its the plight of all clubs in league one
unless your on parachute money

 

[blade too long]

William Henry Foulkes , I'm still wondering how we managed to go in at HT at 2-2 after being totally outplayed by an organised but limited Southend.

by showing some guts and effort
so starting to solve one complaint often held against us

 

[SwissBlade]

Great home support, fantastic away support - probably better than most of league one will bring. (more than chesterfield brought?)

However two awful teams managed to battle out an entertaining and mistake filled game!

 

[Bladesway]

That's the trouble emotional decisions. His last 6 months overrides a career of success.

There have been thousands of Justin Edinburgh's, trumpeted for a few months and forgotten forever, the only memory being fans complaining that their board is always short sighted.

UTB

Adie Boothroyd anyone?

 

[Bladesway]

plight,
we cant make players stay , as any other club in league one
swindon for instance , lost half a team
its the plight of all clubs in league one
unless your on parachute money

No you're right we can't make players stay, that is the clearest thing in all of this. All this having a contract and paying them a wage thing is just bollocks when the next big club comes along. Take Murphy for instance, how long was he still under contract for? Hadn't he signed one six months previous?

Fact is, if you want success you say to these players (for instance) "give us another season and we promise whatever happens we will leave you free to go at the end of it should you still wish to,". Or "you signed a contract and you will honour it". They should be motivated to play even more because there is a move at the end of a successful season if they still want it. If they take their bat home then they won't be worth squat and no one will want them. Gives us the chance of a win/win.

There is nothing boils my piss more than stupid comments about "we couldn't stand in his way", or "he wanted to leave". Tough shit, we pay em, we contract em, it should be our call. But we don't have the courage to actually have that conversation. It may not be the sole reason we fail but it cannot continue to be ignored.

 

[blade too long]

No you're right we can't make players stay, that is the clearest thing in all of this. All this having a contract and paying them a wage thing is just bollocks when the next big club comes along. Take Murphy for instance, how long was he still under contract for? Hadn't he signed one six months previous?

Fact is, if you want success you say to these players (for instance) "give us another season and we promise whatever happens we will leave you free to go at the end of it should you still wish to,". Or "you signed a contract and you will honour it". They should be motivated to play even more because there is a move at the end of a successful season if they still want it. If they take their bat home then they won't be worth squat and no one will want them. Gives us the chance of a win/win.

There is nothing boils my piss more than stupid comments about "we couldn't stand in his way", or "he wanted to leave". Tough shit, we pay em, we contract em, it should be our call. But we don't have the courage to actually have that conversation. It may not be the sole reason we fail but it cannot continue to be ignored.

his allegience to us comes a very poor second to his partner saying she can buy more shoes with his wages doubled, or can holiday in 5 star luxury instead of JET 2 all inclusive
it is our call to a point , but do we want an player who wants away, wheres the commitment
its human nature , your on 5k a week no one in their right mind would turn down doubling or even trebling it

slagging sufc off about it wont change the fact money talks , a lot louder than allegience
its work to pros ,
they dont feel like we do

 

[alcoblade]

Adie Boothroyd anyone?

I can't remember, he was forgotten forever

UTB

 

[Bladesway]

slagging sufc off

Debate is pointless with you.

 

[chipsncake]

I agree. In my opinion, the correct thing to do would be to let him go now. We're not going anywhere now and considering his horrible showing for the one's he's brought in already, I definitely wouldn't want him in charge of 30 odd more decisions when the re-build takes hold.

There comes the problem though. We've been caught in a complex catch 22 scenario, unknowingly to the board and most of the fans. This is that when the right thing to do with other managers in the past was to give them more time (Wilson), we took the wrong option and sacked him. Now, when the right option is to sack Adkins, it just isn't going to happen because of the fear of getting this one wrong too. That applies to the board and most of the fans, which is why most are in favour of keeping Adkins.

This is just heated even more by a fan-invented viewpoint that all the managers have been blameless and the board have just been trigger happy. And that mindset is sinking into the board, hence some of Jim Phipps' comments. We're avoiding (not learning) from a past experience, when in actual fact the correct thing to do is the thing the board thinks it's doing right by avoiding. (in this case sacking Adkins). - And that's what I was referring to when I mentioned complexity.

We arent any further forward than when Clough was in charge. Look at points per game and results. We score more goals sure but we concede more as well. I dont think there would ever have been a 4-0 at Gillingham for instance under Clough.

What needs to happen is continuity. A manager given a clear 2 seasons and hopefully in that time he clears the shit out.

There is one other common factor of course. Blackman sold from Wilson, Harry from Clough and Murphy from Adkins. Doesnt matter who the manager is, you always struggle without your best players.

Perfect in principle but if you're clearing the shit out and bringing more shit in like Adkins is doing then it just will not work.

 

[blade too long]

Debate is pointless with you.

why , its the players who decide where they play contracts are more or less meaningless , if a
player gets the chance to improve his status and income , he will leave ,,, its that simple

the club can talk all they want to him but if they are determined to leave they will
same way Gary Speed left for Wales
hed signed a contract , but left us heading for this league in the first place , slag him off

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

I managed to sell it thankfully, so wasn't at the game, again, thankfully.

So that would be in contravention of the terms and conditions of buying a season ticket.

You sold it to a Blade?

Which charity did you give the money to?

 

[Blade58]

the other common factor you avoid is key players still missing or not yet fully fit
harry and murphy asked to go
stop blaming the club , if players want more money and a higher level of football there is little we can do

"there's little we can do?

and here's me thinking the players had signed a contract!

Perhaps it's time for the club to turn around and tell the players that they've signed a contract, fkin honour it

 

[super_pig]

if i was in charge i'd be saying 'sorry Nige but we're not signing any crocked players over 30, i don't care how highly you rate them'

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

I stopped going partly because of on-going poor results and partly because I now live about 3 hours away, although the latter didn't stop me as much until recently.

I feel no shame in staying away, they don't deserve my presence at the ground. I do however respect those that keep turning out and feel for them. They really do deserve better.

 

[blade too long]

"there's little we can do?

and here's me thinking the players had signed a contract!

Perhaps it's time for the club to turn around and tell the players that they've signed a contract, fkin honour it

Again contracts are about as useful as a chocolate fire guard against an offer of doubling someones money

 

[RMBlade]

Although it would be ridiculous to sack Adkins at this stage who would you want to have as manager if this was to happen? Obviously someone who we could realistically get. Can't wait for all the names.

Me?! 2015-16 League 1 champion with SUFC on FM 16... I think my recent achievement should earn me a crack at the job

 

[wizadry]

Me?! 2015-16 League 1 champion with SUFC on FM 16... I think my recent achievement should earn me a crack at the job

Did you play square pegs in round holes though? And did you bring the same players with you from FM 15