“Not in our price range”

[Champagneblade]

I’ve read this a few times when looking at players and I’m still not clear what that price range is.

When we were in League One, the average wage would have been around 2k per week and probably 4k per week at our place with the top earner no doubt on about 8-10k.

With the renegotiation of contracts I’d not be surprised to see the average wage rising to that of the top earners last year.

But with so many teams coming down with parachute money I’m struggling to see the average wage be much off 15-20k in the Championship.

So what is our budget? Does it allow for established Championship players or can we only hope to entice League One and Two players with a sizeable increase?

Then there are fees. Beattie aside, which came straight out of the Jagielka money, and our Premier League spend on Hulse, Davis and Shelton, our biggest spends have been Henderson, straight out of the Hulse money and then you are back to the likes of Ebbrill(sp) and Hutchinson at 1m.

We’ve never spent big on fees. January also isn’t the time to get bargains either. Frees are so limited. The likes of Cotterill’s availability being an exception.

So I don’t see which market we are in. Has the success this year simply outpriced our owners because we budgeted for mid-tanle but find ourselves competing at the top. I think it has and now we face a decision on how not to say to Wilder we can’t match hos ambitions.

Hope we make the right choice.

 

[mancunianblade]

Thanks to Wilder we are a bottom 4 team in terms of budget with a top 6 team.

Can’t expect him to turn water into wine on every occasion but he’s doing a decent job of trying and if I’m honest I’d take our current budget and situation over a starting 11 earning £20k pw each any day of the week.

Wilder has never had money and if I’m honest I think he thrives on finding and polishing rough diamonds

 

[Torrix1889]

Our price range is just above Poundstretcher, proably B&M level...we are now way near Aldi & Lidl, let alone Sainsburys or Tesco.....then there's Waitrose and M&S.....Harrods is a mere pipe dream.

 

[SwissBlade]

Champagneblade I've got an xls spreadsheet that i did last season on 16th April. Based on a full squad of 25. I can't remember what thread it was on but i put the average at 3k per week, top earners being on 10k. Last season I got the annual wage bill at GBP 5.1 Million.

Do you know what the current wage bill was from the accounts? I'll try to dig it out later and do a similar exercise this week, given that i'm back at work and bored and with no basis other than what i think they're on.

I think with new deals going to a few of the top players, our ceiling might've increased to perhaps 12k a week and more of the players like Fleck, Coutts, Clarke, JOC all being in the 8-10k mark now.

If we're looking to bring in Qualiteh, i'd say that they will be in the 8-12k bracket too depending on how good they are.

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Champagneblade I've got an xls spreadsheet that i did last season on 16th April. Based on a full squad of 25. I can't remember what thread it was on but i put the average at 3k per week, top earners being on 10k. Last season I got the annual wage bill at GBP 5.1 Million.

Do you know what the current wage bill was from the accounts? I'll try to dig it out later and do a similar exercise this week, given that i'm back at work and bored and with no basis other than what i think they're on.

I think with new deals going to a few of the top players, our ceiling might've increased to perhaps 12k a week and more of the players like Fleck, Coutts, Clarke, JOC all being in the 8-10k mark now.

If we're looking to bring in Qualiteh, i'd say that they will be in the 8-12k bracket too depending on how good they are.

Probably explains why we're shopping in Leagues 1 & 2 as we can entice them with a pay rise, whereas Championship players can earn more sat on the bench at a rival.

Would much rather have a squad of players who are trying to prove themselves and on their way up rather than coming here for a pay day!

 

[Rodley]

As a starting point, does anyone know what our budget actually is? 11 in in the summer. Suspect we’ll see 2 or 3 in the JTW.

 

[Jim Chimmerney]

I’ve read this a few times when looking at players and I’m still not clear what that price range is.

When we were in League One, the average wage would have been around 2k per week and probably 4k per week at our place with the top earner no doubt on about 8-10k.

With the renegotiation of contracts I’d not be surprised to see the average wage rising to that of the top earners last year.

But with so many teams coming down with parachute money I’m struggling to see the average wage be much off 15-20k in the Championship.

So what is our budget? Does it allow for established Championship players or can we only hope to entice League One and Two players with a sizeable increase?

Then there are fees. Beattie aside, which came straight out of the Jagielka money, and our Premier League spend on Hulse, Davis and Shelton, our biggest spends have been Henderson, straight out of the Hulse money and then you are back to the likes of Ebbrill(sp) and Hutchinson at 1m.

We’ve never spent big on fees. January also isn’t the time to get bargains either. Frees are so limited. The likes of Cotterill’s availability being an exception.

So I don’t see which market we are in. Has the success this year simply outpriced our owners because we budgeted for mid-tanle but find ourselves competing at the top. I think it has and now we face a decision on how not to say to Wilder we can’t match hos ambitions.

Hope we make the right choice.

I think your penultimate para is close to the mark, we didn't expect to be where we are. That having been said, I don't think the owners will not re-adjust, I just think Tufty is aware of the bigger picture. He won't want to bring a big earner in potentially upsetting the 'balance' of the squad although as you say, if we are shopping in a certain market it makes it much harder.

The problem is that to make the next step, from where we are, we're looking at proven Championship, lower Prem, or young stars and they're not going to come cheap. To find those players and to have them fit in to the 'Wilder mould' is a massive task although to be fair, they've done OK finding them in the last 18 months. Unfortunately, even if we do increase our budget, there's still other clubs shopping in the same market with bigger wallets.

 

[gavtheblade]

I've heard that Clarke is our top earner.
His new contract equates to 28k a week.

 

[robbiez666]

Champagneblade I've got an xls spreadsheet that i did last season on 16th April. Based on a full squad of 25. I can't remember what thread it was on but i put the average at 3k per week, top earners being on 10k. Last season I got the annual wage bill at GBP 5.1 Million.

Do you know what the current wage bill was from the accounts? I'll try to dig it out later and do a similar exercise this week, given that i'm back at work and bored and with no basis other than what i think they're on.

I think with new deals going to a few of the top players, our ceiling might've increased to perhaps 12k a week and more of the players like Fleck, Coutts, Clarke, JOC all being in the 8-10k mark now.

If we're looking to bring in Qualiteh, i'd say that they will be in the 8-12k bracket too depending on how good they are.

According to the simplified accounts, our wage bill is £10 million. That will include non-playing staff.

http://priceoffootball.com/sheffield-united-crushed-by-the-wheels-of-industry/

 

[YES Blade]

I've heard that Clarke is our top earner.
His new contract equates to 28k a week.

No chance! If we’re playing him that, we must be mental!

 

[gavtheblade]

No chance! If we’re playing him that, we must be mental!

It's only from a friend mate who's in the know.
He knew ched was signing two weeks before we all did.

 

[Esablade]

We’re ‘doing a Burton’.

 

[loyalblade95]

terminating contracts of managers and players cost us quite a bit of money especially the likes of Adkins and Hammond who were either a year into their contracts or just signed a new one

 

[UnitedBlade]

Champagneblade I've got an xls spreadsheet that i did last season on 16th April. Based on a full squad of 25. I can't remember what thread it was on but i put the average at 3k per week, top earners being on 10k. Last season I got the annual wage bill at GBP 5.1 Million.

Do you know what the current wage bill was from the accounts? I'll try to dig it out later and do a similar exercise this week, given that i'm back at work and bored and with no basis other than what i think they're on.

I think with new deals going to a few of the top players, our ceiling might've increased to perhaps 12k a week and more of the players like Fleck, Coutts, Clarke, JOC all being in the 8-10k mark now.

If we're looking to bring in Qualiteh, i'd say that they will be in the 8-12k bracket too depending on how good they are.

In the text of the latest accounts it says First Team wages down to £5.9M for 16/17 from £6.8M the previous season. I presume that was what they submitted for SCMP.

It will be much higher now with promotion bonuses, extended contracts etc.

 

[SwissBlade]

Probably explains why we're shopping in Leagues 1 & 2 as we can entice them with a pay rise, whereas Championship players can earn more sat on the bench at a rival.

Would much rather have a squad of players who are trying to prove themselves and on their way up rather than coming here for a pay day!

This is the thing, we can afford one or two biggish fees, but the wages that those players need to be on will be out of our structure. So either we pay them or we shop elsewhere... and i don't think Wilder is going to pay them

 

[YES Blade]

It's only from a friend mate who's in the know.
He knew ched was signing two weeks before we all did.

I appreciate you are just passing on what you have heard, but I just find it very hard to believe.

I just don’t see why we would make a player with little to no sale value our highest paid player on £1.5m a year.

It’s £3.75m over the 2.5 years on his new contract. I can’t see any Championship club coming close to matching that money so why would we pay it?

 

[snootyfenooty]

I appreciate you are just passing on what you have heard, but I just find it very hard to believe.

I just don’t see why we would make a player with little to no sale value our highest paid player on £1.5m a year.

It’s £3.75m over the 2.5 years on his new contract. I can’t see any Championship club coming close to matching that money so why would we pay it?

I also think £28k per week is stretching it but £15-20k per week is realistic. There's at least half a dozen clubs in the league who could pay this with their eyes shut and would if he could score another 12 goals this season, which is also realistic. United will have had to match this, there's a market out there.

 

[Jon Bon II]

Champagneblade I've got an xls spreadsheet that i did last season on 16th April.

What time does the party start tonight Swiss?

 

[Tommoblade66]

I’ve read this a few times when looking at players and I’m still not clear what that price range is.

The price range is, or rather supposed to be, the balance - A player out and replaced with an incoming player on similar money. That doesn't seem to be happening though with the flogging of Jags, Walker et al. Next up will be Brooks for sure, where the money from the sale goes is anyone's business

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

This is the thing, we can afford one or two biggish fees, but the wages that those players need to be on will be out of our structure. So either we pay them or we shop elsewhere... and i don't think Wilder is going to pay them

That's what frustrates me about a section of our fan base.

It's obvious we don't have the financial clout of some/most of our rivals, the manager is implementing a sustainable strategy - yet you get fans hammering him/the club for lack of ambition.

It's like me getting a new job with a big pay raise and going out and buying a flash new car with huge monthly outgoings without first upgrading the washing machine, kids clothes, dishwasher and making sure the mortgage is being well covered.

 

[SwissBlade]

What time does the party start tonight Swiss?

I only wish it was that exciting here in the desert.

 

[BladeFisher]

I think your penultimate para is close to the mark, we didn't expect to be where we are. That having been said, I don't think the owners will not re-adjust, I just think Tufty is aware of the bigger picture. He won't want to bring a big earner in potentially upsetting the 'balance' of the squad although as you say, if we are shopping in a certain market it makes it much harder.

The problem is that to make the next step, from where we are, we're looking at proven Championship, lower Prem, or young stars and they're not going to come cheap. To find those players and to have them fit in to the 'Wilder mould' is a massive task although to be fair, they've done OK finding them in the last 18 months. Unfortunately, even if we do increase our budget, there's still other clubs shopping in the same market with bigger wallets.

Yeah, good post but DB didn't have a problem though did he? He managed to take neck-enders and get them to play in the top flight.

 

[BladeFisher]

That's what frustrates me about a section of our fan base.

It's obvious we don't have the financial clout of some/most of our rivals, the manager is implementing a sustainable strategy - yet you get fans hammering him/the club for lack of ambition.

It's like me getting a new job with a big pay raise and going out and buying a flash new car with huge monthly outgoings without first upgrading the washing machine, kids clothes, dishwasher and making sure the mortgage is being well covered.

Like a substantial part of the population.

 

[Rustyblade]

It's like me getting a new job with a big pay raise and going out and buying a flash new car with huge monthly outgoings without first upgrading the dishwasher.

Is that with or without a divorce?

 

[IdLiketoRogerMoore]

Is that with or without a divorce?

Ha ha. My mate has a cnut calculator for his wife.

E.g.: is she being a big enough cunt to justify £1k a month for a house you don't live and kids you don't see and will grow up hating you...

 

[super_pig]

No chance! If we’re playing him that, we must be mental!

why? if we didn’t Aston villa would have him

 

[Slug]

I've heard that Clarke is our top earner.
His new contract equates to 28k a week.

Think someone has got week and month mixed up

 

[Tom Bott]

I've heard that Clarke is our top earner.
His new contract equates to 28k a week.

Does I've heard = I've seen the contract ?

Or does I've heard = my mate has spoken to his mate who saw a Tweet on the internet by someone who had overheard in the pub that he had a mate who thought that Leon was now on £ 28 a week, Dianne Abbott then corrected the figure to be £ 28,000 a week with an extra £ 5 K for every goal ?

 

[Tom Bott]

I only wish it was that exciting here in the desert.

Someone mention pudding ?

I thought as it had red and white stripes I might get away with the absent s from pudding.

Happy New Year and may all your dreams come true UTB.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

For all the recent talk of Adam Clayton (who'd be a really top class signing) isn't he someone who, realistically, would be out of our range?

Was meant to be on £25k/week when they were in the prem (& signed a new longer-term contract while they were up there). Maybe the way round it is a hefty (£750k?) loan fee?

Anyway, can't believe that Pulis won't be having a serious look at him &, with him having more sense about him than Garry Monk, he'll surely reintegrate him into their first team.