‘Undisclosed’ fees + Unknown Wages

[Lmaobob]

On the back of the Brooks sale, I think ‘undisclosed’ should be banned by the FA/EFL/FIFA

For me, all transfers should be completely transparent with the fees and wages.

Why are clubs allowed to hide the fees for a player? Why are wages so kept under wraps?

I know what you might say about the wages - why should we know private and personal information?

Well my reasoning is that I think full transparency should help prevent fraudulent activity between clubs (Chelsea transfer dealings with Strasbourg and the Brazilian club for example).

In terms of wages, I think that players would think twice about demanding excessive salary amounts if the public knew exactly what they earn. I think footballers and football clubs are too out of touch with their fans and I think full transparency of how the money at the club is received and spent.

Just tell us what transfer fees are, what are they hiding?

Tell us how much money a player earns, that will give some players a wake up call that they are a bunch of overpaid , spoilt and entitled little so and so’s

 

[Nick Jansky]

On the back of the Brooks sale, I think ‘undisclosed’ should be banned by the FA/EFL/FIFA

For me, all transfers should be completely transparent with the fees and wages.

Why are clubs allowed to hide the fees for a player? Why are wages so kept under wraps?

I know what you might say about the wages - why should we know private and personal information?

Well my reasoning is that I think full transparency should help prevent fraudulent activity between clubs (Chelsea transfer dealings with Strasbourg and the Brazilian club for example).

In terms of wages, I think that players would think twice about demanding excessive salary amounts if the public knew exactly what they earn. I think footballers and football clubs are too out of touch with their fans and I think full transparency of how the money at the club is received and spent.

Just tell us what transfer fees are, what are they hiding?

Tell us how much money a player earns, that will give some players a wake up call that they are a bunch of overpaid , spoilt and entitled little so and so’s

Maybe set them an example, then. What’s your salary?

 

[JustLookin]

On the back of the Brooks sale, I think ‘undisclosed’ should be banned by the FA/EFL/FIFA

For me, all transfers should be completely transparent with the fees and wages.

Why are clubs allowed to hide the fees for a player? Why are wages so kept under wraps?

I know what you might say about the wages - why should we know private and personal information?

Well my reasoning is that I think full transparency should help prevent fraudulent activity between clubs (Chelsea transfer dealings with Strasbourg and the Brazilian club for example).

In terms of wages, I think that players would think twice about demanding excessive salary amounts if the public knew exactly what they earn. I think footballers and football clubs are too out of touch with their fans and I think full transparency of how the money at the club is received and spent.

Just tell us what transfer fees are, what are they hiding?

Tell us how much money a player earns, that will give some players a wake up call that they are a bunch of overpaid , spoilt and entitled little so and so’s

Pretty sure they’d have to inform the FA anyway but I don’t really see the need for making any of it public.
I can’t think of many other industries where we’d give a shit about how much people are paid, tbh and outside of politics, can’t think of any that we’d NEED to know.

 

[I should coco]

On the back of the Brooks sale, I think ‘undisclosed’ should be banned by the FA/EFL/FIFA

For me, all transfers should be completely transparent with the fees and wages.

Why are clubs allowed to hide the fees for a player? Why are wages so kept under wraps?

I know what you might say about the wages - why should we know private and personal information?

Well my reasoning is that I think full transparency should help prevent fraudulent activity between clubs (Chelsea transfer dealings with Strasbourg and the Brazilian club for example).

In terms of wages, I think that players would think twice about demanding excessive salary amounts if the public knew exactly what they earn. I think footballers and football clubs are too out of touch with their fans and I think full transparency of how the money at the club is received and spent.

Just tell us what transfer fees are, what are they hiding?

Tell us how much money a player earns, that will give some players a wake up call that they are a bunch of overpaid , spoilt and entitled little so and so’s

Do you really think Ronaldo is too ashamed to show his face, for the £500k he earns per week (or whatever it is)?

I'm afraid your ship of shame, set sail sometime in the 1960s. The players want more Bentleys and Bugattis, and couldn't give a toss what the little people like us think.

 

[Lmaobob]

Maybe set them an example, then. What’s your salary?

£37,000

Next question

 

[metalblade]

How would United hide the fact that some club has had their pants down without undisclosed fees?

 

[Lmaobob]

And there was an element of being unsure of whether I should reveal the salary, because I’d be embarrassed if I earnt way more. I’d feel embarrassed in case I was overpaid in comparison to colleagues, or people struggling to make ends meet

That’s why I think salaries should be public. Hold them to account

 

[LBA_Blade]

Pretty sure they’d have to inform the FA anyway but I don’t really see the need for making any of it public.
I can’t think of many other industries where we’d give a shit about how much people are paid, tbh and outside of politics, can’t think of any that we’d NEED to know.

Another option could be a salary bracket, all armed forces salary information is available online by rank for example a salary search for a British Army Sergeant the bracket they are in is known as OR-6, earns a standard base salary of £46,022 with trade training and experience can top out at £51,403, you can easily have an educated guess at their monthly salary after tax as that is also freely calculated online too.

Why do we need to know how much a British Army Sergeant is paid? The NHS have pay bands and are included on job adverts for example a newly qualified nurse is in Band 5 and is paid between £31,000-£37,000 a year. The same is published online for civil service, fire, police and prison services.

Personally from the OP I certainly see where he is coming from, the pay band/bracket option might be easier so the salaries are not fully disclosed but a players value is known. You can find out within £5,000 a year how much the take home pay of a British Army Sergeant is but not a footballer who realistically most PL players would be on at least the year salary a week more like 3 or 4 times for some too.

 

[Wards]

What do we get by learning what someone is paid? Or is it just a tool to use when we want to throw some dirt at them?

Unless you're in a position of high public responsibility i.e. MPs and the like, then I'd very much like my earnings to be kept private thanks. I don't need my builder knowing what I earn before he charges me double the going rate.

 

[Lmaobob]

What do we get by learning what someone is paid? Or is it just a tool to use when we want to throw some dirt at them?

Unless you're in a position of high public responsibility i.e. MPs and the like, then I'd very much like my earnings to be kept private thanks. I don't need my builder knowing what I earn before he charges me double the going rate.

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

 

[jim2007]

In Norway all salaries are published by the government. You can look up what your friends and neighbours are earning.

Seems weird to us but they seem to think it causes no problems.

 

[MadDad38]

Publishing salaries would likely have an inflationary effect on them if anything. Whilst I am sure that agents have good info on players that are not their own clients, the clubs will want to avoid constant whinges that such and such a player earns a few thousand more pw than another who might be on a three game streak of form.

 

[Wards]

Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

Because that's the market? If that's the revenue being generated by it all then why shouldn't they want their slice of it? Who else does/should it go to, the owners? I don't disagree that it's out of touch with the rest of society but it is what it is. You can't compare our industries to theirs.

No one is holding a gun to the clubs head when they make wage demands. You either pay it or you don't. It's also heavily rumoured that Brooks was on a pittance compared to the rest of the first team? Is he any less befitting a wage in-line with what his colleagues are earning?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

Could you though?

 

[Kenilworth]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

O the ask for increased salary. That may be the case but agents and footballers will (and I’m speculating here) probably use an increase in wage demands as a mechanism to instigate a move. It means they don’t need to put in a transfer request, which would require them to lose money, and the club then has a decision to make as to whether they sell early for a better fee or they hang onto the player and watch them leave for nowt at the end of their contract.

On the “pay me the money and I’ll do it”
No you wouldn’t. Otherwise you’d have done it by now.

The actual graft, sacrifice and dedication needed to become a professional footballer is so high there’s only a few that make it.
It’s much harder than you imagine. And that’s if you have the talent to match. It’s not given, it’s not handed to them on a plate. Plenty of other talented lads that “could” have made it, didn’t, for some reason or another - mostly a lack of the mental toughness required to get there and remain there.

 

[Silent Blade]

GDPR

 

[Lmaobob]

GDPR

Mind your own business, old man!

 

[Bell4]

£37,000

Next question

Account number and sort code ?

 

[Bell4]

In Norway all salaries are published by the government. You can look up what your friends and neighbours are earning.

Seems weird to us but they seem to think it causes no problems.

I don’t even know what my wife earns - she leaves for work around 9 each evening , all dolled up , gets back home around 6am . We’re like ships in the night tbh . She does a lot of moaning about her job as well . Constantly moaning .ive told her to pack it in if it gets too hard .

 

[SwissBlade]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

I think your point about undisclosed fees and transparency is fair and whilst I’ve not always held this view, I think it can perhaps go a long way to hold clubs more accountable

The problem is that it becomes an issue for people to use for their needs… either we spent too much on a player or sold ourselves short. Often a fee will come without context because most people don’t understand the details of the financial side of running a club.

A fee can also put pressure on a player to meet that value… and that’s not his job, he has to perform but the fee paid is irrelevant to the player

As for wages, I don’t think there is a relevance to disclose individual wages. The clubs report them as a whole. That’s enough.

I don’t actually have an issue with footballers wages. Good for them. Earn as much as you can for being the best player you can be. I think we’d all love to have the life that playing such an amazing sport brings. I do have an issue with the size of the TV deals driving up costs for fans.

 

[Bladeloyal]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

Unfortunately for you your bobbar at football

 

[dexter101]

Salaries- no. We aren't in a world where football clubs are run like the NHS with salary bandings. Its none of our business what people are paid. Its our business whether they do a good job for the club.

Transfer fees- gets tricky because then other clubs know how much money they have to play with. (not really sure why any of them get announced!). What might be better is on the day after the transfer window closes, all transfers get confirmed including fees. still effects next transfer window but doesn't affect any deals currently being worked on.

 

[Tom Bott]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

Looking after his retirement?

Professional footballers typically retire between the ages of 34 and 36.

What age was Jack O'Connell when he was forced into early retirement?

 

[Edgar Allan Poo]

Rumour that Brooks wanted £10k more than what we were offering. Why do footballers think they’re entitled to this type of money?

They’re out of touch with ordinary, hard working grafters

Footballers complain of working too much, not working Xmas and stuff. Pay me their salary and I’ll do it

And the canary crunching mustard makers have got that?!

 

[Newbury Blade]

Transfer fees, definitely.
There’s a good argument for salaries to be published too, but for everyone in the private sector, to match what already happens in the public sector. When people see how much (say) hedge fund parasites and water company kleptocrats get compared with (say) care workers and nurses, we might start to reverse the grotesque inequalities in our society.

 

[S64 Blade]

Agree on fees being made public. Less so salaries.

 

[FriethBlade]

Because that's the market? If that's the revenue being generated by it all then why shouldn't they want their slice of it? Who else does/should it go to, the owners? I don't disagree that it's out of touch with the rest of society but it is what it is. You can't compare our industries to theirs.

No one is holding a gun to the clubs head when they make wage demands. You either pay it or you don't. It's also heavily rumoured that Brooks was on a pittance compared to the rest of the first team? Is he any less befitting a wage in-line with what his colleagues are earning?

Wards , but thats the point isnt it....it isnt the revenue been generated by it all...thats why all clubs are in varing degrees of indebtedness...and when the shit hits the fan its the fans that pay for it.

The wage spiral is what has put many clubs on the verge of bankruptcy...I wonder how gushing our pig neighbours would have been about Bannan if his wages were made public whilst they were going through their point deductions.

 

[Dan Emery]

No denying id like to know but why on earth is a transfer fee any busy of the general public?

 

[Chezzy Blades]

GDPR

Amongst all the other good points this is the correct answer.

Under UK GDPR and the Data Protection Act it's illegal in the UK (Europe it's more of a grey area) to share someone's salary if you can attribute that salary to a specific individual. What a club could in theory do is say 'we have 22 senior pros on salaries ranging from £5,000 - £25,000' but even that isn't risk free. If you could reasonably deduce who the higher earner is it would still fall under the remit of 'personal data' and make the club at liberty of a pretty heavy fine, potentially into the millions.

Fun data protection lesson over .

 

[Lmaobob]

No denying id like to know but why on earth is a transfer fee any busy of the general public?

Fans pay the cost of poor financial management. Transfer fees are included in that bracket

I used Chelsea as an example - dodgy dealings for their transfers with Strasbourg and a Brazilian club. Same thing that John Textor got into trouble for