£1 for Women’s Team @ BDTBL 9th Oct

[SwindonBladeJnr]

If I lived closer I'd definitely go.

 

[Kenilworth]

United’s women’s team playing Liverpool Women’s at the Lane on Saturday 9th Oct as it’s the men’s international break. Tickets are £1, with the club seeking to beat our record women’s crowd. Let’s get behind them UTB

Sheffield United FC

The place to get all your Sheffield United news on the first team, academy and Sheffield United Women. Download the app via the App Store and Google Play Store

www.sufc.co.uk

Seems a bit too steep to me.

 

[RecordBreakers]

United’s women’s team playing Liverpool Women’s at the Lane on Saturday 9th Oct as it’s the men’s international break. Tickets are £1, with the club seeking to beat our record women’s crowd. Let’s get behind them UTB

Sheffield United FC

The place to get all your Sheffield United news on the first team, academy and Sheffield United Women. Download the app via the App Store and Google Play Store

www.sufc.co.uk

Thanks but no thanks I'd rather watch them mud wrestling or shooting ping pong balls, each their own mind

 

[Mumbo]

Whilst trying like mad to not offend, because I'm pretty switched on and very acceptive of all cultures and genders etc..

How long will it be before the trans situation occurs as we saw in the Olympics and suddenly we're watching a team primarily of former males playing the women's game... It'll only need the introduction of better money via television rights and you watch the big 6 start to sign trans footballers to gain obvious advantages, and financial gain, cynical I know... But.

Please note : Former males who have transitioned have a perfect right to play women's football should they identify as female, and I'm not saying otherwise..


Finally : Somebody had to grasp this nettle, sorry if somewhere in the written words I've offended anybody, it wasn't my intention, apologies up front if so but it's been difficult to word, just I can see this in the near future..

Former men playing women’s sport is a very controversial subject and rightly so
They often retain an unfair advantage and it’s a piss take for the ‘born women‘ who’ve trained all their lives only to be thrashed by a former bloke.
Pc bollocks that defies logic or reason.

 

[Hallam Blade]

Well this is a fucking depressing thread to read innit?

 

[Tezza1889]

Former men playing women’s sport is a very controversial subject and rightly so
They often retain an unfair advantage and it’s a piss take for the ‘born women‘ who’ve trained all their lives only to be thrashed by a former bloke.
Pc bollocks that defies logic or reason.

I agree that natural born females should take centre stage, however mainstream sports channels (sky) are now marketing the women's game aggressively, possibly in preparation for a replacement product should amazon mop up the TV rights for the mens Premier league.

So, with that in mind we can expect better prize money "etc" for the women's game, this I believe will drive the smarter clubs to look for an advantage, and this will be a clear advantage..

Then, on the other hand, if we have a young man who's quite good at football but unhappy in his body, why can't he carry on playing football and have a career out of it if the chance presents itself..

It's a hard subject to pick sides on, so I haven't, we include everybody, it's the way to go to be truthful...

 

[Kev Gee]

Equal pay.

So thats Weerz Muneh Gone?

 

[Sheffsteel]

Well this is a fucking depressing thread to read innit?

but surely it can’t come as a surprise?
It’s better to deal with reality then you can devise a beneficial strategy going forward
The facts are that most people support United to see the star players in the 1st team….. with 25K willing to pay high prices each week.

Regards the other teams under the SUFC umberella…like the womens team, Academy/ reserve teams, junior teams
surely most Blades spiritually support them but it’s not strong enough to pay money.

Don’t see how that fact is depressing.

Remember the 2011 FA Youth Cup semi final….Sheff Utd versus Man Utd (with Pogba, Lingard and Morrison)
This received publicity and captured the Blades fans imagination leading to a record Youth Cup 30K crowd.
This is what is required for the SU women. An event or fixture to capture the imagination ie a fixture where if they win they are promoted
or maybe England just need to win the womens World Cup to start an avalanche of interest.

Another option that might help promote the women’s gene is to include womens games free of charge within the season ticket price.
Then play the womens match before the mens game at BL. This might build up interest, but then you’re promoting their product as a more sub standard support act.
Also I’ve heard that there would be logistic problems having to use 4 changing rooms at the same time. Doubt we have the room.

The other method is powerful over the top promotion…like what Sky did with the mens game….it took a few years of Sky telling everyone the PL is the best league in the world and they have this skill of making every single game appear exciting. The BBC are heavily sponsoring the womens game, there’s much more on tv and even radio, so it’s definitely making progress, so that’s a positive.

Regards the SU v Liverpool game I’ll wait until the day before and if I’m not doing anything then I’ll probably go myself just for the novelty.

 

[Nickydblade]

If folk don't want to go... don't go. I'm not sure we need to worry about how the world is changing if we're not bothered. I can't see myself ever going to watch live ice hockey, but I know it is supposed to be good and if it makes people happy then good for them. I'm not going to rant on their threads about the Americanisation of culture.

We all know the women's game is not at the same level as the men's. This is mainly down to biology, and, as some have pointed out, history:

Why women's football was banned for 50 years – and is only just recovering

In 1921, the FA declared football “quite unsuitable for females” and outlawed the sport. Carrie Dunn looks at how far the game was set back...

www.fourfourtwo.com

(there was a good C4 doc about this a bit back but I can't find a link to it).

This is same for both sides, so the game itself is 'different' to the men's. But, despite being different to the men's sports, people seem to still enjoy women's hockey or athletics, perhaps because we are more used to it. I don't recall people complaining about the women's 100m relay being rubbish because the men are faster. Radacanu can't run as fast, serve as hard, or compete in rallies with male professionals, so why would anyone watch? It is different, but it is competitive and entertaining, if tennis is your thing.

Women in sports like cricket, boxing or judo put a few more barriers up for some, perhaps because we are less used to them, but that is gradually changing, esp. with Olympic coverage and success. Eng 141-2 v NZ as I type.

I've never seen SUFC Women play so I have no moral high ground. I did go to the USA v Canada semi-final at Old Trafford in the 2012 Olympics and it was a brilliant, high-quality, game with a great atmosphere. With SUFC Women playing at the Lane it means that, if I can sort stuff out, five of us from my family will go. From the reports they are playing well and have a good chance of promotion. If we enjoy it we might go again (I think we should should be able to watch games on our TV channel... i would pay a little bit if needed - but no one is forced to watch!). GLTTLAL. UTB.

I've just watched my10 yo lad's team win 7-0 (rare) and really enjoyed it - tbh the players were rubbish, and would not be able to compete with, the 15 year olds on the next pitch, so I probably should have watched them instead...

 

[Vintage Shirt]

Well this is a fucking depressing thread to read innit?

Very.

 

[bromtom]

If folk don't want to go... don't go. I'm not sure we need to worry about how the world is changing if we're not bothered. I can't see myself ever going to watch live ice hockey, but I know it is supposed to be good and if it makes people happy then good for them. I'm not going to rant on their threads about the Americanisation of culture.

We all know the women's game is not at the same level as the men's. This is mainly down to biology, and, as some have pointed out, history:

Why women's football was banned for 50 years – and is only just recovering

In 1921, the FA declared football “quite unsuitable for females” and outlawed the sport. Carrie Dunn looks at how far the game was set back...

www.fourfourtwo.com

(there was a good C4 doc about this a bit back but I can't find a link to it).

This is same for both sides, so the game itself is 'different' to the men's. But, despite being different to the men's sports, people seem to still enjoy women's hockey or athletics, perhaps because we are more used to it. I don't recall people complaining about the women's 100m relay being rubbish because the men are faster. Radacanu can't run as fast, serve as hard, or compete in rallies with male professionals, so why would anyone watch? It is different, but it is competitive and entertaining, if tennis is your thing.

Women in sports like cricket, boxing or judo put a few more barriers up for some, perhaps because we are less used to them, but that is gradually changing, esp. with Olympic coverage and success. Eng 141-2 v NZ as I type.

I've never seen SUFC Women play so I have no moral high ground. I did go to the USA v Canada semi-final at Old Trafford in the 2012 Olympics and it was a brilliant, high-quality, game with a great atmosphere. With SUFC Women playing at the Lane it means that, if I can sort stuff out, five of us from my family will go. From the reports they are playing well and have a good chance of promotion. If we enjoy it we might go again (I think we should should be able to watch games on our TV channel... i would pay a little bit if needed - but no one is forced to watch!). GLTTLAL. UTB.

I've just watched my10 yo lad's team win 7-0 (rare) and really enjoyed it - tbh the players were rubbish, and would not be able to compete with, the 15 year olds on the next pitch, so I probably should have watched them instead...

Surely the main reason it's not at the level of the men's game is because it was banned for 50 years?

 

[CrookesBlade]

Very.

Descends into this every time.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

I’ll probably go and watch them for a quid when the men’s team aren’t playing. But the problem with women’s football teams affiliated to established football clubs is...You are basically asking very partisan football fans to adopt a second team, just because they’re wearing red and white stripes with a SUFC badge on it. I’ve never been to watch any of our junior teams, never used to watch the reserves, never watched a local team when we weren’t playing, never had favourite a “big team” to support, when we were in the lower leagues. I have never understood the Rangers/Celtic thing. I’m quite indifferent to all things Champions league and I can take it or leave it with England. So I’m sorry, but there will only ever be one team in my football universe.

 

[ZLB]

Basically you don't like it because it's woman playing football.

I love women. I love football. Perfect.

 

[Yellarbellyblade]

Personally I’d want a Sheffield United tiddlywinks team to win so I’m all for backing them. I‘m away that date but otherwise might have given it a look

 

[Hallam Blade]

but surely it can’t come as a surprise?
It’s better to deal with reality then you can devise a beneficial strategy going forward
The facts are that most people support United to see the star players in the 1st team….. with 25K willing to pay high prices each week.

Regards the other teams under the SUFC umberella…like the womens team, Academy/ reserve teams, junior teams
surely most Blades spiritually support them but it’s not strong enough to pay money.

Don’t see how that fact is depressing.

Remember the 2011 FA Youth Cup semi final….Sheff Utd versus Man Utd (with Pogba, Lingard and Morrison)
This received publicity and captured the Blades fans imagination leading to a record Youth Cup 30K crowd.
This is what is required for the SU women. An event or fixture to capture the imagination ie a fixture where if they win they are promoted
or maybe England just need to win the womens World Cup to start an avalanche of interest.

Another option that might help promote the women’s gene is to include womens games free of charge within the season ticket price.
Then play the womens match before the mens game at BL. This might build up interest, but then you’re promoting their product as a more sub standard support act.
Also I’ve heard that there would be logistic problems having to use 4 changing rooms at the same time. Doubt we have the room.

The other method is powerful over the top promotion…like what Sky did with the mens game….it took a few years of Sky telling everyone the PL is the best league in the world and they have this skill of making every single game appear exciting. The BBC are heavily sponsoring the womens game, there’s much more on tv and even radio, so it’s definitely making progress, so that’s a positive.

Regards the SU v Liverpool game I’ll wait until the day before and if I’m not doing anything then I’ll probably go myself just for the novelty.

You missed my point. If people don't wanna see the Women's team that's absolutely fine and, to be honest, entirely expected.

I was hoping we might have moved past the 1920s era sexist attitudes that are frankly fucking appalling and are all over this thread. Again it's honestly not shocking, but as I said, fucking depressing to read.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

Took my daughter to see United's women at the Proac (or whatever it is called these days) today. It was alright to be fair. The standard wasn't the same as the men's game but on the flip side there was little in the way of theatrics (players diving, pretending their injured, moaning to the ref to get the oppo booked, sent off, etc) so that made a pleasant change.

I've been to see the Sheffield Eagles quite a bit over the years and it had that type of feel to the atmosphere in the stadium. They even signed autographs pitch side at the end. My daughter enjoyed it and wants to go again, which is fine with me. They beat Watford 3-0 today and I now believe they're top of the table, so well done Blades.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Not necessarily pitches, but the goals for sure. The keepers in the women's game simply can't cover the same amount of ground, making it optimal to shoot on sight anywhere from about 35 yards out

I know loads of older blokes around me that would love to watch that then, every time we make a few consecutive passes without crossing or shooting they nearly explode.

 

[AWetFlannel]

Former men playing women’s sport is a very controversial subject and rightly so
They often retain an unfair advantage and it’s a piss take for the ‘born women‘ who’ve trained all their lives only to be thrashed by a former bloke.
Pc bollocks that defies logic or reason.

So it's rightly very controversial, but also PC bollocks that defies logic or reason?

I can think of loads of reasons why you might allow trans women to play in female sports. I personally don't think they're good enough, but there are reasonable arguments on both sides if you're willing to look.

 

[SuperSonicBlade89]

If you were a manager or scout and you saw a female player with attributes equivalent of C. Ronaldo or Messi or whatever... would you not be tempted to sign them to the men's team*

Lot of posts just tar women with the same brush. "They are not good enough" I call bullshit. Their progress was hindered historically by the F.A. and we only just "realised" over the last few years. Imagine watching mens football 100 years ago, it probably wasn't the spectacle it is today. The women's game today is more advanced than that at least, despite the setback. They play to the same rules as the men and the womens game is on an upwards spiral. The more exposure the game gets, the better talent we will see over time.

One day we will have mixed sex professional football, pretty sure, once people get over their prejudices. They already do in junior leagues

*Rules permitting

 

[Sheffsteel]

If you were a manager or scout and you saw a female player with attributes equivalent of C. Ronaldo or Messi or whatever... would you not be tempted to sign them to the men's team*

Lot of posts just tar women with the same brush. "They are not good enough" I call bullshit. Their progress was hindered historically by the F.A. and we only just "realised" over the last few years. Imagine watching mens football 100 years ago, it probably wasn't the spectacle it is today. The women's game today is more advanced than that at least, despite the setback. They play to the same rules as the men and the womens game is on an upwards spiral. The more exposure the game gets, the better talent we will see over time.

One day we will have mixed sex professional football, pretty sure, once people get over their prejudices. They already do in junior leagues

*Rules permitting

Assume you’re on the windup. Women are good enough… their skill level is more than respectsble.

It‘s the physical attributes, size, strength and stamina that’s a long way behind, shots are weaker, goalkeepers are generally poor and too small in stature.
It‘s nothing to do with prejudice it’s biological fact…nature gaurantees that in general men are bigger and stronger.
Women have had decades of exposure in Athletics but in every single event the best women don’t even get into the top 500 men at the same event.
I suppose no one told nature it’s being prejudice? Mixed junior leagues is fine because the physical advantage isn’t as vast at that age.

If anyone does some research…the womens professional game is currently at best..on par with under 16 schoolboy level.
The world champions USA women often practice against under 16’s boys teams from the US and usually lose.

It might be wishful thinking but I believe it does women a disservice by heaping unrealistic expectations and not recognising and accepting the huge differential in physical advantage. History shows that over the decades women will improve physically but so do men…so there’ll always reman be a significantly large physical gap.

Agree that the womens can grow as a spectacle and there should be more talent in the UK as it becomes more popular.
However bare in mind womens Footbsll is massive in the US, it’s decades ahead of the UK. This season the average attendance in the 10 team US womens is 4,572 where as the mens league currently averages 14,087, this figure represents a big drop in attendances this season probably due to excessive matches, the US mens lesgue has now grown to 27 teams. Pre covid the average gate in the US mens league was over 21K.

Ideally I would love to see mixed sex football..inclusivity helps tolerance, respect and understanding but it’s like saying one day we’ll see mixed Athletics, mixed tennis, mixed boxing, mixed golf etc. The laws of nature and genetics ensure this is impossible.

 

[Sheffsteel]

Might look like a contradicting myself (based on the post above) but I think it’s unfair to compare the mens and womens game.
Best to treat it like a different sport with some similiarities. Anyhow the differences can make the game more interesting.
Also before anyone passes any judgement that by being forthright I’m disparaging the woman's game
I do intend to offer my support by going to watch my first SU ladies match.

 

[relish]

Edit. I rang ticket office and to be fair lad handled it pretty well. Registered three new names up on the system and assigned tickets where we wanted them. AND I wasn’t charged the £1/ticket transaction fee so family day out for £7

Yeah - you can buy 10 tickets per account for this one (I did online).

 

[Houso]

Club - have a ticket for £1 at Bramall Lane for the SUFC women against Liverpool. It's cheap, it's at the ground and you can go if you want to...
Fans - I BLOODY HATE WOMEN'S FOOTBALL AND JUST THINK OF THEM TRANNIES WHO MIGHT POTENTIALLY MAYBE PERHAPS PLAY FOOTBALL IN THE FUTURE.

There's clearly not a problem though.

 

[ChipButtyBlade]

Top of the league nah.

 

[Nickydblade]

Surely the main reason it's not at the level of the men's game is because it was banned for 50 years?

It could be be the case in terms of popularity and support.

My point, which was probably unclear, was more the biological difference one. On average, and at the top, women rarely compete at the same 'physical level' as men in sports. This is the case even if they have had a decent run at it e.g. many Olympic sports. There are exceptions, e.g equestrianism, and who knows what may happen in the future; I remember hearing somewhere the difference in distance running is apparently closing fast (I've got no evidence for this ).

Edit: just seen Sheffsteel's post, does it better than me

 

[HighfieldBlade]

Top of the league nah.

 

[Foxy]

Wow, heres me opening the thread thinking 'ooh, good, looks like it's got a bit of interest'

Hope its a decent crowd numbers wise and hopefully encourage a few repeat followers.

 

[1987]

Ill go and take our young un, she's getting into playing football and i think shell enjoy watching the womens team play too.

Plus she'll be getting introduced to the Lane, far away from some of the livelier opinions of our fans. Quite looking forward to it actually.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

Took my daughter to see United's women at the Proac (or whatever it is called these days) today. It was alright to be fair. The standard wasn't the same as the men's game but on the flip side there was little in the way of theatrics (players diving, pretending their injured, moaning to the ref to get the oppo booked, sent off, etc) so that made a pleasant change.

I've been to see the Sheffield Eagles quite a bit over the years and it had that type of feel to the atmosphere in the stadium. They even signed autographs pitch side at the end. My daughter enjoyed it and wants to go again, which is fine with me. They beat Watford 3-0 today and I now believe they're top of the table, so well done Blades.

Yeah Rugby League is a good example. Crowds wise that might be the way to go for the women’s game. Turn it into a summer sport, so to attract fans who want their football fix, all year round. I’m sure they’d double their attendances?