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Flatulent_Bob said:
It’s a point of view that I know is out there, but they aren’t the average man in the street. I believe top performing employees should be paid in line with the money their organisation makes off the back of them, and of course there is socialist view that the gap between them and and common man is obscene, but that’s the country we live in.
If you were one of the top performers in the world in your role, at the biggest company, your wage should reflect that.
If you don’t like the amounts don’t contribute to their coffers, but you’ll need a lot of people to agree with your stance to make a dent but I’d applaud your efforts.
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I’d agree with your view if the clubs were making money hand over fist, and the players, although contributing to the success weren’t benefiting from it financially. Other than possibly 4 clubs, the majority of the clubs in the country are running a debt and wages should be dropped accordingly. As an example our players should be on no more than about £5,000 a week.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It’s a point of view that I know is out there, but they aren’t the average man in the street. I believe top performing employees should be paid in line with the money their organisation makes off the back of them, and of course there is socialist view that the gap between them and and common man is obscene, but that’s the country we live in.
If you were one of the top performers in the world in your role, at the biggest company, your wage should reflect that.
If you don’t like the amounts don’t contribute to their coffers, but you’ll need a lot of people to agree with your stance to make a dent but I’d applaud your efforts.
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Good point about earning in line with what they earn the club, I hadn't really considered that angle.

Although in Man United's case they should still be paying Ferguson and his mob because I don't think anyone since has really contributed to anyone investing in Manchester United.

It'd be an interesting breakdown to see, what percentage of income are you responsible for.
 
Guesty said:
There was the time he tried to dribble around Lee murderer Hughes and lost it. I did hear recently that Wilder was at fault for that though, cos Kelly was carrying an injury and the defenders were told not to pass it back to him, only Wilder forgot!

Kelly and Nielsen used to get themselves in a tangle on occasion.
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Now you mention it I do recall that goal and the anxiety felt in the crowd when we tried to play from the back under bygone managers. In my lifetime as a blade I'd say I only felt confident under spackman's reign of doing what we do now, maybe Kendall too.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I’d agree with your view if the clubs were making money hand over fist, and the players, although contributing to the success weren’t benefiting from it financially. Other than possibly 4 clubs, the majority of the clubs in the country are running a debt and wages should be dropped accordingly. As an example our players should be on no more than about £5,000 a week.
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Then don’t pay it, don’t risk it to get the to Premier League riches, and don’t attack the board for being unambitious with their own money.
(Not saying you personally were, but you get the point).
 
What realistic alternatives are available?
Neil Etheridge
Adrian
David Marshall
Fraser Foster
Christian Walton
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Then don’t pay it, don’t risk it to get the to Premier League riches, and don’t attack the board for being unambitious with their own money.
(Not saying you personally were, but you get the point).
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I'm talking as a football wide phenomena, the whole model is broken. Caps of £1,000 pw, £2,500 pw, £5,000 pw and £20,000 pw should be introduced at the four levels of english football. Then the remainder should be incentivised bonuses depending on performance (personal & collective) and image rights.
 
blades78 said:
What realistic alternatives are available?
Neil Etheridge
Adrian
David Marshall
Fraser Foster
Christian Walton
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I would think we’d pay the relevant rate to still get Hendo back. I don’t think him signing a new deal makes that much difference to what will have been discussed already.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I'm talking as a football wide phenomena, the whole model is broken. Caps of £1,000 pw, £2,500 pw, £5,000 pw and £20,000 pw should be introduced at the four levels of english football. Then the remainder should be incentivised bonuses depending on performance (personal & collective) and image rights.
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So who gets all the money the sport is generating?
I’m also assuming these wage caps are going to be applied across all industries as £1 million a year isn’t a lot for top performers who directly contribute to the revenue of global billion dollar organisations.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So who gets all the money the sport is generating?
I’m also assuming these wage caps are going to be applied across all industries as £1 million a year isn’t a lot for top performers who directly contribute to the revenue of global billion dollar organisations.
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I was talking about football, but in the majority of the public sector a wage cap exists. In the private sector, people get paid a figure which in theory relates to their performance and what the business can sustain. At the higher levels of jobs, usually, a mixture of basic pay & performance related bonus.

As I said, other than possibly a few clubs globally, the vast majority of clubs are running a debt. In some cases a massive debt, eg. £200m at Bolton. In any other business you'd drop your expenditure to a level below your income and make sure you paid your outgoings. You'd endeavour to create a sustainable business model. In business you'd try and operate on at worst 30% of your gross income on wages, i think the current norm in the championship is 100%.

Taking United as an example, how much have our owners had to subsidise the club for during the last 20 years? Well over £100m. That's the indication that there is an imbalance between income & expenditure. It's an unsustainable business model. Incomes have increased in football during that time scale, but outgoings (mainly player wages & fees and agent's fees) have outstripped them considerably, and is an indication that no matter what the players are doing on the pitch, they are not generating enough to cover their wages. It's also extremly rare that in a business structure that the workers get paid more than the bosses, but that's another issue.
 
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I agree that wage caps should be introduced in football. I think this chap has an awful lot to answer for...
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because he was largely responsible for taking the wage caps off in the first place. He was a fine chap and made a lot of very good contributions to our game, but getting rid of the maximum wage was the equivalent of opening Pandora's box. The problem is now, it's difficult to put the lid back on.
 
Nicolaus_Copernicus said:
I was talking about football, but in the majority of the public sector a wage cap exists. In the private sector, people get paid a figure which in theory relates to their performance and what the business can sustain. At the higher levels of jobs, usually, a mixture of basic pay & performance related bonus.

As I said, other than possibly a few clubs globally, the vast majority of clubs are running a debt. In some cases a massive debt, eg. £200m at Bolton. In any other business you'd drop your expenditure to a level below your income and make sure you paid your outgoings. You'd endeavour to create a sustainable business model.

Taking United as an example, how much have our owners had to subsidise the club for during the last 20 years? Well over £100m. That's the indication that there is an imbalance between income & expenditure. It's an unsustainable business model. Incomes have increased in football during that time scale, but outgoings (mainly player wages & fees and agent's fees) have outstripped them considerably, and is an indication that no matter what the players are doing on the pitch, they are not generating enough to cover their wages. It's also extremly rare that in a business structure that the workers get paid more than the bosses, but that's another issue.
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The real talent tends to get paid more, and now we’re in the era of the superstar managers they’re pulling in similar wages at the top clubs but I of course understand your point, but it simply isn’t going to happen.
The best start would be fans not buying into the media nonsense that you have to always spend and buy new players, putting pressure on owners to overspend. Problem is they all do.
Also as it’s a global market 20k a week would just create a huge talent drain, but I get the point you are making, for an ideal world.
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I agree that wage caps should be introduced in football. I think this chap has an awful lot to answer for...

because he was largely responsible for taking the wage caps off in the first place. He was a fine chap and made a lot of very good contributions to our game, but getting rid of the maximum wage was the equivalent of opening Pandora's box. The problem is now, it's difficult to put the lid back on.
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I think things will have to change in the medium term. I don't see the introduction of a cap, possibly the doing away with transfer fees, I suppose simialr to what happens in the American sports.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
It’s a point of view that I know is out there, but they aren’t the average man in the street. I believe top performing employees should be paid in line with the money their organisation makes off the back of them, and of course there is socialist view that the gap between them and and common man is obscene, but that’s the country we live in.
If you were one of the top performers in the world in your role, at the biggest company, your wage should reflect that.
If you don’t like the amounts don’t contribute to their coffers, but you’ll need a lot of people to agree with your stance to make a dent but I’d applaud your efforts.
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Man Utd arent a great example because they actually make a profit. But most clubs don't operate like a business in that you are in business to make money. The more money you make, the more profit you make. The more profit you make, the more money you can pay your employees..
If my company were operating at a loss or the owner had to continually pile more cash in to keep the company afloat, the company would eventually cease trading.
 

Flatulent_Bob said:
The real talent tends to get paid more, and now we’re in the era of the superstar managers they’re pulling in similar wages at the top clubs but I of course understand your point, but it simply isn’t going to happen.
The best start would be fans not buying into the media nonsense that you have to always spend and buy new players, putting pressure on owners to overspend. Problem is they all do.
Also as it’s a global market 20k a week would just create a huge talent drain, but I get the point you are making, for an ideal world.
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Worth a read..........

https://www2.deloitte.com/content/d...uk-annual-review-of-football-finance-2019.pdf
 
If he (his agent) is demanding 75k then...

1. It serves those cancerous fuckwits Man Utd right for their utter stupidity with the wages they pay
2. No way should we agree to pay close to 75k a week and if that's required then move onto other targets immediately
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Also as it’s a global market 20k a week would just create a huge talent drain, but I get the point you are making, for an ideal world.
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But surely once we get a no deal Brexit and the UK starts to shift itself outside of the global market to become a North Korea style state it will be very achievable 😜
 
Cerberus Blade said:
I agree that wage caps should be introduced in football. I think this chap has an awful lot to answer for...
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because he was largely responsible for taking the wage caps off in the first place. He was a fine chap and made a lot of very good contributions to our game, but getting rid of the maximum wage was the equivalent of opening Pandora's box. The problem is now, it's difficult to put the lid back on.
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To be fair to Jimmy he did say in the 1990s he was shocked at how much players were earning. I blame the introduction of the Premier League and the growth of rogue agents.
 
IdLiketoRogerMoore said:
Tin hat time, but as good as he did for us last season - strip out the chest pumping and histrionics - and all you've got a decent young keeper who's still got a rickett in there every dozen games...

If that's what £75k a week gets you in the PL, the world really has gone crazy!!
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Tin hat time..... I don't like his ego, his extreme hunger to be liked, the pathetic teasing on Twitter when he didn't even know he'd be staying here, the pathetic way many fans lap it up, and the typical, embarrassing loanee worship. I was glad to see him drop that bollock for England after all the big talk he was giving it in the paper. And I am sick of how long this 'saga' has dragged on. We're not his bitch, we're not Man Utd's bitch.

That said, I do want him back (on reasonable terms) as I don't see a keeper likely to save us more points next season. Continuity helps too.

But I look forward to the day we can stop relying on a loanee to be our goalkeeper every season.
 
Superblades said:
I reckon him and his agent know he won’t get that but Man U will more than likely come back and say “£50k so he will still be more than happy with that.
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I reckon we could stretch to match that. Just the transfer fee then
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So the talent and their paid representatives which is as it should be. In the proposed alternate it goes to the owners and shareholders which I don’t agree with.
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Agree 100%!

The fans pay to watch the players it’s as simple as that, so surely they should get a big chuck of the multi billion pound industry that football is.

Football is an entertainment industry, no one seems to moan about film or rock stars amassing vast fortunes, but according to some footballers shouldn’t be allowed to earn a fair share of the wealth they help generate.
 

YES Blade said:
Agree 100%!

The fans pay to watch the players it’s as simple as that, so surely they should get a big chuck of the multi billion pound industry that football is.

Football is an entertainment industry, no one seems to moan about film or rock stars amassing vast fortunes, but according to some footballers shouldn’t be allowed to earn a fair share of the wealth they help generate.
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That's the thing though, footballers are currently earning more than their fair share of the money being generated. If the owners of the blades have to subsidise the cash flow with their own money on an annual basis (sometimes mid season in emergencies), the players are being paid to much. When I say too much, I mean in reation to what the specific business can afford.

During the last decade, what wealth and for whom have players of sheffield united generated? On the face of it, they've cost the McCabe family half it's fortune.

The examples of film stars & musicians is different as there is more of an identifiable direct link between performance/popularity and reward. That's why you have the phrase 'bankable star', they bring in a profit on a film that they star in.

The current market for professional footballers is a bubble, and has little relation to anything other than the inflated market in which they operate.
 
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