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I recall Phipps saying they had left the choice and signing of players to the Technical Committee ( manager, MD, Scout, FD, Academy Manager) not "culpable", rather too trusting and too much delegation and Clough had circumvented it anyway.. Do I remember it wrongly? Did I miss a statement?

Did Phipps say they were "culpable" restricting the signings or in not being more closely involved?

"Major say on who Adkins can and can't buy, on loan or otherwise". Are you sure or do you mean there's a committee?

Even if there is still a committee and someone said it had been disbanded, the manager is the main man in there surely.

I maintain that our owners leave as much on the football side as any other clubs do. I've not seen anything here or elsewhere to make me think otherwise.

Now that would be a good question at the Forum, I think I'll change my question and I think I'll ask Adkins to answer first.

You can be deemed culpable for an event if the act and its consequences could have been controlled, which clearly it could.

How many other clubs have more than one owner and need everything signing off by both? It's as much a frustration for those within the club on the not footballing side as it is on the footballing side.

Good idea on the last bit. You'll be able to ask the same question to next year's manager, and again to the whichever manager we have the year after that. Repeat until we're relegated, again.
 



I recall Phipps saying they had left the choice and signing of players to the Technical Committee ( manager, MD, Scout, FD, Academy Manager) not "culpable", rather too trusting and too much delegation and Clough had circumvented it anyway.. Do I remember it wrongly? Did I miss a statement?

Did Phipps say they were "culpable" restricting the signings or in not being more closely involved?

"Major say on who Adkins can and can't buy, on loan or otherwise". Are you sure or do you mean there's a committee?

Even if there is still a committee and someone said it had been disbanded, the manager is the main man in there surely.

I maintain that our owners leave as much on the football side as any other clubs do. I've not seen anything here or elsewhere to make me think otherwise.

Now that would be a good question at the Forum, I think I'll change my question and I think I'll ask Adkins to answer first.


Was Clough "circumventing it" a definite statement?

Delegation is fine, but you keep an eye on the monthly management accounts surely, especially when you see the Princes ten million disappearing quickly.

The other point is they still let him do the retained list and only allegedly got rid when he demanded more money. The various statements on these matters don't really fit together when it's thought through.

The current board don't even seem aware that they haven't even filed the 2015 accounts yet, the deadline being 31 March. Looks like it wasn't difficult for Clough to circumvent policy with the directors seemingly not knowing which day it is.
 
You can be deemed culpable for an event if the act and its consequences could have been controlled, which clearly it could.

How many other clubs have more than one owner and need everything signing off by both? It's as much a frustration for those within the club on the not footballing side as it is on the footballing side.

Good idea on the last bit. You'll be able to ask the same question to next year's manager, and again to the whichever manager we have the year after that. Repeat until we're relegated, again.


Pete, you actually said they had admitted being culpable re Clough and the owners have a major say on who Adkins signs and whether on loan or not .




If you have these things as facts in your mind then no wonder you have extreme views re the owners.
Was Clough "circumventing it" a definite statement?

Delegation is fine, but you keep an eye on the monthly management accounts surely, especially when you see the Princes ten million disappearing quickly.

The other point is they still let him do the retained list and only allegedly got rid when he demanded more money. The various statements on these matters don't really fit together when it's thought through.

The current board don't even seem aware that they haven't even filed the 2015 accounts yet, the deadline being 31 March. Looks like it wasn't difficult for Clough to circumvent policy with the directors seemingly not knowing which day it is.


Fully agree, but that is the opposite of the supposed restrictions and interferences so many fans think happen and are so regularly trotting it out on here.
 
Pete, you actually said they had admitted being culpable re Clough and the owners have a major say on who Adkins signs and whether on loan or not .




If you have these things as facts in your mind then no wonder you have extreme views re the owners.



Fully agree, but that is the opposite of the supposed restrictions and interferences so many fans think happen and are so regularly trotting it out on here.

You seem not to understand or accept what the word culpable means.

"Adkins should have walked promotion this season" - If you have this statement as fact in your mind, no wonder you go to such lengths to make excuses for the owners.
 
You seem not to understand or accept what the word culpable means.

"Adkins should have walked promotion this season" - If you have this statement as fact in your mind, no wonder you go to such lengths to make excuses for the owners.


Take a look at our forum members' thread last summer and their forecasts for league placings this season. Only Deadbat and a.n.other had them 3rd and 4th. all the rest said top 2.



Deadbat’s Season Preview 2015-16


Well here goes nothing again…….pin it and come back and laugh at the end of the season but here is my season preview / predictions for the new season.

For the last two seasons I predicted 7th in 2013-14 which I got bang on and then predicted 4th last season and we finished 5th. So not done too bad. I also picked the top 2 who went up last season….however I got some teams miles off too!

Least I have not sat on the fence I suppose….


  1. Wigan



    Wigan may have been in free fall the last few seasons but they have actually invested wisely with some good acquisitions who should do really well at this level. The likes of Craig Davies and Will Grigg should score a hatful. They have signed proven league One players who are still young enough to develop in keeper Richard O’Donnell and also ex Wolves man Michael Jacobs. They have midfield battlers in likes of McCann, Perkins and also Cowie. At the back they have leadership and strength in Pearce and Barnett. They need to get off to a good start and adapt to the lower level and questions remain over a rookie manager in Gary Caldwell but having not been out of the Premier League and still have the Whelan family involved can chuck more money at it if needed. I would be very surprised if they not around the top 3 or 4 and I feel they may just nose the rest in a close fight at the top.



    Key Man : Craig Davies, Striker



  2. Peterborough



    Have disappointed in recent seasons since coming back down and Darren Ferguson paid the price. However they still have some real talent in the squad and I expect a much better effort this season. There have a bigger squad than most at this level and some pace and attacking threats. Jack Collison. Washington, Vassell and Maddison offer the goal threats and with more unity under former Academy boss Dave Robertson. They will be right up there this term and if the prolific Gornley from Ireland gets going might be tough to stop.



    Key Man : Michael Bostwick, Midfielder





    Playoffs : Sheffield United to beat Barnsley


  3. Sheffield United



    Adkins has the feel good factor back at Bramall Lane and fans are much more positive. He has brought back Billy Sharp. Not sure Connor Sammon is much of a goal scorer but with talent around him like Sharp, Done, Adams and Murphy we should be much more of a goal threat. We have enough options in midfield too with the likes of Basham and a slim line Jose Baxter to create openings and there is a mix of experience and youth. Hopefully the shackles will be off and United can be less cautious and attack more. Have to make the home ground more of a fortress and ensure anyone who gets out of the Lane with even a point has worked like trojans to get it.



    Still the big questions over the defence remain. We went into last season with this as a glaring weakness in terms of centre backs and it is very strange Adkins actually seems happy with Collins and McEvely; two players that are simply not reliable enough for a side going for promotion. The problem is by the time he realises it could be too late as a poor start last year cost us. The squad in comparison to many other contenders has more quality and experience than most. The division is much weaker and outside of Wigan there are no real stand out teams. United have a squad with depth that is the envy of most at this level and have to make it count. I feel we might have to do it the hard way but could be playoffs and promotion via this traditionally unlucky route.



    Key Man : Jamie Murphy, Midfielder





  4. Barnsley



    Lee Johnson is an excellent young manager who has done well at Oldham and got Barnsley flying up the league last season. He has made one or two decent signings and he has longer to get the side playing his way. Marc Roberts and Alfie Mawson toughen up the defence. Mason Holgate is also a rough diamond. Young striker Connor Wilkinson will help leading scorer Sam Winnall. They have signed some good young loan players from Arsenal (Daniel Crowley) and Manchester United (Ben Pearson) too but I think this prediction is more based on Johnson’s abilities.



    Key Man : Sam Winnall, Striker





  5. Scunthorpe



    This is my wild card if you like but Mark Robins is a decent manager and knows this league well. He has done some really astute business in the summer and has players who can get goals. They may have been nearer the bottom than top last season but will be a surprise packet. King, Wiseman and Laird from Preston are a trio of players that will improve the side massively. They have some young talent coming through and ex Blade Darius Henderson can come on and knock people about at the end of games.



    Key Man : Paddy Madden, Striker




  6. Bradford



    Just have a feeling buoyed by big crowds that could be around 15-20,000 every week at Valley Parade that they will have a good season. They have two big lads who will be threats in Hanson and also ex Blade Steven Davies. Also they have some creativity in Luke James (ex Hartlepool) and Josh Morris who was one of Fleetwood’s key men (caused United some real problems). Paul Anderson will give them some much needed width too. They will thrive on the home factor and win a lot more games here. If they can tighten up at the back then they will be right in the mix this season.



    Key Man : James Hanson, Striker



  7. Doncaster



    Will be a real local feel about the top reaches of the division this next season. Doncaster were one of the best sides we saw at the Lane. They may have lost Kyle Bennett to Pompey but they have a lot of experienced players still with the likes of Richie Wellens, newcomer Richard Chaplow and Jamie Coppinger. They also have striking threats in Nathan Tyson and former Swindon man Andy Williams. If they can get off to a better start should be up and around the top 6.



    Key Man : Richie Wellens





  8. Swindon



    A side that made the Play off final but have been ravaged over the summer losing key talents such as Gladwin and Luongo and seeing out of contract Foderingham released. Striker Andy Williams also moved on and Louis Thompson went back to parent club Swindon. Talents like Byrne and Kasim remain but the squad looks very small and will rely on wily business from Mark Cooper in the loan market. Can see the young squad not quite faring as well this time around.



    Key Man : Nathan Byrne, Defender





  9. Millwall



    Another side that has come down but they have seen a lot of players move on or be released and the squad lacks leadership and experience. They can have a real home advantage with the intimidation of the fans which will be more of a factor at the lower level. Another rookie manager but one respected at the Den in Neil Harris. They have brought back experienced defender Tony Craig and have a talent in midfield in Nadim Abjou but the squad does have a lot of holes that need addressing. They might find things harder than they think.



    Key Man : Lee Gregory, Striker





  10. Rochdale



    Had a really good season last season and were quite close to the playoffs. Manager Keith Hill always does well with limited resources. He continues to surprise. Ex Blades Brandy and McGinty have moved on after doing very little but they have a solid spine and ex Plymouth man Allesandra will add something different. The surprise factor is not there this time but they will still be around the upper echeleons.



    Key Man : Ian Henderson, Striker





  11. Bury



    A newly promoted side but one that in my opinion will do very well as have tons of experience and seem to have a larger budget than they have had at this level than before. They have recruited some experienced strikers in Leon Clarke and Tom Pope and have players like Ryan Lowe and Daniel Naridello around too. Peter Clarke adds experience at the back. I midfield they have some athleticism with Etuhu and Jacob Mellis. David Flitcroft has done well to bounce back from leaving Barnsley and expect him to carry on Bury’s transition here.



    Key Man : Leon Clarke, Striker





  12. Coventry



    The move back to the Ricoh did not quite herald the transformation that Sky Blues fans would have hoped but the first full season for Tony Mowbray should herald more stability. They have not really added many players with young striker Adam Armstrong coming in from Newcastle on loan and former Orient midfielder Romain Vincelot arriving. They have some experienced players such as Reda Johnson and Jim O’Brien but do lack genuine striking options and unsure the squad is strong enough to contend at the top.



    Key Man : Adam Armstrong, Striker





  13. Fleetwood



    Had a superb season last year and skirted with the top 6. However they have lost a few key players in the summer and Josh Morris will be a real loss. In comes Jimmy Ryan from Chesterfield and Amari Bell from Birmingham. I think they will have enough to not be near the bottom but be difficult for them to be quite as high as last season. Graham Alexander is a good young manager and has to be commended for job he has done here.



    Key Man : Jimmy Ryan, Midfielder





  14. Gillingham



    Stayed up fairly comfortably in the end and manager Justin Edinburgh continued to prove his talent after doing so well at Newport. They seem to be a bit more settled and have kept much of the squad together. They will not contend for promotion but will not be amongst the strugglers either and if they continue to be strong at home; they can surprise some of the bigger sides.



    Key Man : Cody McDonald, Striker





  15. Walsall



    Have not quite fared as well for the last few seasons and with small crowds and limited budget, it is hard for them to keep punching above their weight. Lost another key man in Richard O’Donnell but still have some talent in Romaine Sawyers and Tom Bradshaw who will get them enough goals to keep them away from the strugglers.



    Key Man : Tom Bradshaw, Striker





  16. Chesterfield



    I could be miles off with this prediction but there is always one side who does well one

    season and then falls off. I would not have pegged Chesterfield any higher than 10-12th even keeping their players but having lost Doyle, Darwika, Roberts and Clucas, I do not see them bouncing back from having the spine of their team ravaged. Sylvain Ebanks Blake is a player on his way down and Dean Saunders is a huge drop off from the excellent Paul Cook and worryingly has a record for taking teams down. They might just stave off such a turnaround but it will be tough.



    Key Man : Tommy Lee, Goalkeeper





  17. Burton



    Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink carried on the superb work started by Gary Rowett and the Brewers came up as Champions. Losing Adam McGurk to Portsmouth was a blow and the squad lacks experience at this level to some degree but they should carry on the momentum from last year to stay up.



    Key Man : John Mousinho, Midfield

17.Oldham



Not quite the same after Gary Johnson left. They have Lee Croft back and have brought in experienced David Dunn but it is a thin squad on the whole with former Blade Danny Philliskirk counted on for the creativity. They have some striking options in Dominic Poleon, Jonathan Forte and also Jake Cassidy but Forte will not score as many goals this season and without this it will be tougher.



Key Man : David Dunn, Midfielder




  1. Port Vale



    Vale did ok for large parts of the season but then tailed off towards the end. They have lost some key players including striker Tom Pope. Ex Blade Michael Brown is still there but they have a real lack of quality in the rest of the squad and I fear they may have a season looking over their shoulders.



    Key Man : Anthony Grant, Midfielder

  1. Shrewsbury



    Have bounced between the bottom two divisions in the last few years but I think the have enough to survive this time around. Young players such as Connor Goldson and Ryan Woods will continue to develop and they have some experience in the likes of Liam Lawrence. James Collins and Tyrone Barnett have to get the goals or they may be sucked into a scrap though at the bottom.



    Key Man : Connor Goldson, Defender

  1. Southend



    Were literally seconds away from being back in League Two but a late leveller and then penalty drama saw them deny Wycombe to gain promotion. They lost striker Barry Corr who opted to for a bigger pay deal at Cambridge. However they have an excellent keeper in Daniel Bentley and a manager who has been about a bit in Phil Brown. Think they will need to be strong at home to survive but with lack of goal threats and a small squad it could be a step too far.



    Key Man : Daniel Bentley, Goalkeeper

22.Colchester



Last day heroics saw them survive but one or two veterans have moved on. They have signed a few defenders in Brindley (ex Rotherham) and Briggs (ex Millwall) but have largely the same squad as last year. Ex Blade Chris Porter may be a good pro but the fact he is now captain and expected to lead from the front says it all about their chances this season. They will definitely be one of the stragglers.



Key Man : George Moncur, Midfielder




  1. 23. Blackpool



    I do not see the rot stopping anytime soon. The club is a mess. The arguments rage and the chairman clearly does not seem to give a damn. Most of the experienced players they did have left have moved on. They have brought in a few loan players that are inexperienced and a few lads from the Scottish Leagues but it looks a threadbare squad. Neil McDonald has the impossible task of trying to halt the slide but with arguments on (Nial Ranger who signed a new contract but already called the new manager out on twitter) and off the pitch (with Oyston and the fans); I cannot see how they can turn things around. If fans boycott games it will make it even harder for them.



    Key Man : Colin Doyle, Goalkeeper

24. Crewe


Crewe stayed up by the skin of their teeth last year and do not seem to have brought many
notable players in losing a couple including the influential Anthony Grant. Unsure where the
goals will come from. They will continue to bring through the young talent but can see them
struggling this season.



Key Man : George Ray, Defender





And for a bonus laugh….



Here are my predictions for the other leagues:



Premiership :



1. Chelsea

2. Man Utd

3. Man City

4. Arsenal



Relegated :



18. Aston Villa

19. Bournemouth

20. Norwich





Championship :



1. Middlesbrough

2. Derby



Promotion in Playoffs : Burnley beat Hull



Relegated :



22. MK Dons

23. Birmingham

24. Charlton





League Two :



1. Cambridge

2. Portsmouth

3. Notts County



Promotion in Playoffs : Orient beat Oxford



Relegated :



23. Mansfield

24. Dagenham
 
Take a look at our forum members' thread last summer and their forecasts for league placings this season. Only Deadbat and a.n.other had them 3rd and 4th. all the rest said top 2.

1: Forum members views aren't really proof of anything (personal opinion as fact anyone?)
2: I imagine this was before we sold Murphy and assuming Adkins would be backed, which you think he was and I think he wasn't
 
I recall Phipps saying they had left the choice and signing of players to the Technical Committee ( manager, MD, Scout, FD, Academy Manager) not "culpable", rather too trusting and too much delegation and Clough had circumvented it anyway.. Do I remember it wrongly? Did I miss a statement?

Did Phipps say they were "culpable" restricting the signings or in not being more closely involved?

"Major say on who Adkins can and can't buy, on loan or otherwise". Are you sure or do you mean there's a committee?

Even if there is still a committee and someone said it had been disbanded, the manager is the main man in there surely.

I maintain that our owners leave as much on the football side as any other clubs do. I've not seen anything here or elsewhere to make me think otherwise.

Now that would be a good question at the Forum, I think I'll change my question and I think I'll ask Adkins to answer first.
I remember Brannigan in an interview ( not sure if it was United website or radio sheffield ) saying and this is a quote as I remember it well::
the manager spends his budget as he sees fit, no wonder clough was happy for Brannigan to come on board.
It seems Clough had a big say in what happened during his time at the lane ( until the board obviously pulled the plug ) as we approach ed the new year in his first season both he and and his assistant commented on the poor pitch. United responded by booking a desso pitch but would have to wait to get it done. This response shows the impact Clough had and the owners responded by spending upwards of 2 million pounds on the lane and the academy although it wasn't done until he'd gone. All this shows they really beleaved in him as most of us did at the time.It all started to go wrong pre-season and into the season with the numerous signings made and finally the Brayford signing which obviously blew his budget .The Brayford signing really shows
Cloughs attitude as spending that kind of money on him was stupid ,most of us fans were really behind clough at the time but on reflection it soon became obviouse the real weaknesses wernt going to plugged (budget spent ) .
There on in we stumbled into the play offs and Brayford got crocked ( was this the time the owners turned on clough ) we had an unbalanced squad on the back of Clough spending a fortune (for a 1st division club ).
The end of season review (with owners ) must have been the key to him going , obviously Clough wanted control of his budget with no questions asked
after what happened previously that wasn't going to happen and the rest is history.
Now Adkins will ime sure choose who he signs with the committee giving the go ahead if it's within budget ,spending a fortune on one star player is not going to happen in this division and rightly so.
 
So on August 1st you said we should stick by Adkins for the season no matter what and by October you wanted him sacked?
Very true. I think I got a bit carried away in the mist of the Adkins excitement. Until it actually happens you can't guarantee how you're going to react. I don't think I was expecting such a managerial disaster, and by the looks of the poll neither was anyone else.
 
The board have clearly backed Adkins, allowing him to bring in six players. Although four are loan signings, these players will be costing a considerable amount in loan fees/wages. Yes, the board displayed no backbone by allowing Murphy to leave when he wanted to do so, unlike Gillingham who refused to sell Dack. The board have made mistakes, the worst being appointing Adkins.The squad should clearly have been stronger with the players Adkins was allowed to bring in. Clough improved our position througout the time he was here, but got sacked after finishing fifth.The Play offs should have been the minimum expectation this season. My simple question would be how can it be possible for a manager to keep his job, when he who took over a team that finished in the play offs and has manged to turn them into a mid table team.
 
The board have clearly backed Adkins, allowing him to bring in six players. Although four are loan signings, these players will be costing a considerable amount in loan fees/wages. Yes, the board displayed no backbone by allowing Murphy to leave when he wanted to do so, unlike Gillingham who refused to sell Dack. The board have made mistakes, the worst being appointing Adkins.The squad should clearly have been stronger with the players Adkins was allowed to bring in. Clough improved our position througout the time he was here, but got sacked after finishing fifth.The Play offs should have been the minimum expectation this season. My simple question would be how can it be possible for a manager to keep his job, when he who took over a team that finished in the play offs and has manged to turn them into a mid table team.


My best answer to that is 'by default' and 'for the sake of continuity in a club which has had insufficient continuity in the past decade'.

I cannot reconcile that with my signature below which has been there for ages, but in all fairness from where I am, Adkins cannot be fully judged until the end of next season. If I were to make a personal guess what his chances of success are, I'd say 25%. Why don't I think he should be sacked for his performances over 10 months? I really don't know. Thankfully I don't have to make the decision. If I had that responsibility, I would have been round that club like a rash for the past few weeks and long before that. From where I am he has never 'had the dressing room with him' and it is a matter of judgement whether he ever stood a chance this season and still has support from those players who will be staying with the club.

Of course I won't be answering the question and the answer at the Forum will be:- "this was always going to be a major rebuild of the squad, introduction of a new culture, establishment of pathways for younger players and a totally different way of doing things. Inevitably certain players have not been able to adjust and will be better served playing their football elsewhere. These things take time but are worth the investment of time and money. All we ask is patience and support and with that we will be able to deliver a team to be proud of in the not too distant future. We have every confidence that Nigel Adkins and his team are the men to take us forward to a bright future". I hope they believe that 100%. If they don't then they should bite the bullet now. The expense will be nothing compared to failure next season with another year's budget blown and another big batch of players stuck here on 3 year contracts.
 



And if the transfer fee from Murphy needs to be used to cover the wages of the current squad, say so. Don't say "The Murphy transfer fee will be used for the first team" and mislead the fans into thinking this means we'll go out and buy a player with it.

I think it's known as "spin" or in this context a misleading inference. Trouble is that the supporters will raise the subject later if the team fails to meet its objectives, which is has....again!
 
So on August 1st you said we should stick by Adkins for the season no matter what and by October you wanted him sacked?


The gap between the level of our performance as compared to that level of expectation in the poll is huge.

Our fans have stuck with the club remarkably well all things considered. The quality of the league has been lower than ever too.
 
The gap between the level of our performance as compared to that level of expectation in the poll is huge.

Our fans have stuck with the club remarkably well all things considered. The quality of the league has been lower than ever too.

I imagine most people who aired their opinion in that poll expected Adkins to be able to create his own team too, not just be stuck with Clough's mismatched misfits.
 
I imagine most people who aired their opinion in that poll expected Adkins to be able to create his own team too, not just be stuck with Clough's mismatched misfits.


He has signed 4 expensive long term loans and two expensive permanent players, one with a fee. That is a lot on top of a bloated squad and no doubt stretched the budget way above plan. Further expensive signings on top of those would have been reckless and also still speculative as regards improving results. There were far too many players hanging around the club without game time already.

As you said, it has been hard to move away Clough's signings. IMO that's not because they are rubbish but because they are overpaid for what they can do. It appears to me that a lot of them have not taken to the new manager and that has made things difficult. As it all works through those players might well suffer from the consequences more than anybody, they may end up on or near the scrap heap.

Anyway, today's another day and we had a debate without too much personal animosity, thanks for that.
 
He has signed 4 expensive long term loans and two expensive permanent players, one with a fee. That is a lot on top of a bloated squad and no doubt stretched the budget way above plan. Further expensive signings on top of those would have been reckless and also still speculative as regards improving results. There were far too many players hanging around the club without game time already.

As you said, it has been hard to move away Clough's signings. IMO that's not because they are rubbish but because they are overpaid for what they can do. It appears to me that a lot of them have not taken to the new manager and that has made things difficult. As it all works through those players might well suffer from the consequences more than anybody, they may end up on or near the scrap heap.

Anyway, today's another day and we had a debate without too much personal animosity, thanks for that.

I would doubt that Woolford was expensive and I do think it's quite fashionable to say all our loan signings were very expensive without anyone knowing what they were on, or what agreement we have with their parent clubs to cover to wages.

I also think that it's quite telling that bar Jamie Murphy, every single one of Clough's signings we've got rid of have ended up at clubs even lower than us, even the division below.

And judging by the performances, I'm not sure many of them took to the old manager either.

Anyway, happy Wednesday!
 
The owners are arranging a series of Fans Forums this summer.

If you are allowed one question each, what is your question? Let's assume we will remain in League 1 for next season.

Mine is:

What budget will the manager be working to next season, i.e. players' wage budget and transfer fee budget for the full year. In your opinion will it be the biggest in the division, bearing in mind we have the biggest fan base? If you are sensitive about mentioning actual figures just answer the latter stage of the question.


I'll add the following to my question:

Will the wage bill be more or less than last ( currently this) season?
 
Take a look at our forum members' thread last summer and their forecasts for league placings this season. Only Deadbat and a.n.other had them 3rd and 4th. all the rest said top 2.

Don't think I posted in that thread, but I can't be bothered to hedge this one, which I think qualifies as not top two:

You can get 7/4 for us to go up. It seems small margins but not shopping is exactly what makes the difference between being a winning and losing bettor. I'm personally laying 9/5 elsewhere though.
 
Take a look at our forum members' thread last summer and their forecasts for league placings this season. Only Deadbat and a.n.other had them 3rd and 4th. all the rest said top 2.

I did actually comment that if we didn't sign two big dominant CHs we wouldn't be competing for promotion .......... I was correct, unfortunately.

UTB & FTP
 
When I'd heard he was going to try more young 'uns next season I'd assumed they were going to be Academy players. If the North Koreans take over, for the likes of Barney they'd be taking him off to the re-education centre (just joshing Barney lad) ;)
 
A leaf out of Adkins book on that link.

'United Reunited initiative'

What does that even mean?
 



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