Baptiste - not coming back next season?

[Lane Ender]

At the expense of who?

Choose any one from Sharp, Brayford or Adams. The rest, no one wants.

pommpey

None of those will be going.
1.Sharp- top class L1 cannot do it in the Championship and hes on good money here
2. Adams - who the fuck would buy him for proper money, potential yes loads to prove.
3. Brayford- A shadow of his previous stint here
Pomps theres no assetts here mukka
Down to you Kev

 

[The Crab]

I was surprised we got him in the first place but there was no way we were going to be able to keep him beyond this season.

I tend to think the opportunity came along at the right time, and he came to fill a gap. Baptiste is a decent player, if he was to become available I'd expect at least 4 Championship clubs in the queue in front of us, even if we did have the cash.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Likely a big fee, certainly a big wage, while it's been nice having him here to improve us we need to be (and hopefully are) looking at more affordable options reflective of where we are.

 

[Grappler]

There will be one big money signing 500k-1M coming in hopefully somebody to replace Baptiste.
Rest will be out of contract players

Is this ITK or just your opinion mate?

Are you saying we are going to pay £500k+ for a replacement for Baptiste. then rely on out of contract players?

Genuine question.

 

[Bladesman]

I tend to think the opportunity came along at the right time, and he came to fill a gap. Baptiste is a decent player, if he was to become available I'd expect at least 4 Championship clubs in the queue in front of us, even if we did have the cash.

Exactly, we have to keep in mind why Boro signed him last summer. He was very much part of their plans for this season til he got injured. Boro probably didn't want him to go to Championship club on loan to regain his fitness either.

 

[Esablade]

There will be one big money signing 500k-1M coming in hopefully somebody to replace Baptiste.
Rest will be out of contract players

I'll settle for two 500k players or even four 250k players if we're 'on it'

 

[Lane Ender]

Is this ITK or just your opinion mate?

Are you saying we are going to pay £500k+ for a replacement for Baptiste. then rely on out of contract players?

Genuine question.

Just my opinion.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Compensated by a huge signing-on fee?

Who knows?

 

[Grappler]

Just my opinion.

OK cheers. Thought you meant you knew of someone lined up.

There have to be decent players out there that would cost 250k - 500k, so in other words, bring in four good players for 500k each, so 2 million quid, 1 million each from the Prince and Kev Mac.

Add some solid journeyman out of contract players, and the rest filled with up-and-coming youth players and we might have a fighting chance of getting out of this league.

 

[Lane Ender]

OK cheers. Thought you meant you knew of someone lined up.

There have to be decent players out there that would cost 250k - 500k, so in other words, bring in four good players for 500k each, so 2 million quid, 1 million each from the Prince and Kev Mac.

Add some solid journeyman out of contract players, and the rest filled with up-and-coming youth players and we might have a fighting chance of getting out of this league.

KB/HRH will feel a whole lot better come summer when the cull is complete

 

[finlaytheblade]

Checked on wikepedia ! Baptiste was released from his contract at Bolton ,no transfer fee , obviously a good signing on fee would have been negotiated
by his agent ( 3 year deal ) not saying we will get him but if borough go up maybe they would be willing to let him go as they would be shopping at a higher level. As borough didn't pay a fee a release from his contract is possible. Baptiste may not want to play in league one (would be helpful if we sneaked up through play offs ) but as he originates from the Mansfield area he might be tempted to come nearer home .
We will have to wait on this one but he would be a great signing.

 

[Barney]

As borough didn't pay a fee a release from his contract is possible.

A release from his contract is possible, but they would have to pay him off if he's on a three year deal. There's no reason why the fact that they didn't pay a fee for him would change that.

 

[Gin&Juice]

Was he ever coming back? He'd be someone we'd be happy to sign when we we're going for promotion from the championship, yet alone league 1.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

He will want too much money as he nears the end of his career - there is better at less money - we SHOULD know by now who we are going to target and anyone out of contract is available to be tapped up from January onwards. If we do not know who we are actually wanting by now, then we are stuffed for next season, even before it starts.

Same applies to Hammond - he will also want too much money.

We do not have any cash to spend............we now have to be canny - just like other clubs in this division.

UTB

 

[finlaytheblade]

A release from his contract is possible, but they would have to pay him off if he's on a three year deal. There's no reason why the fact that they didn't pay a fee for him would change that.

More than likely he would cost too much but deals are sometimes negotiated and if the player buys into what's happening at a club it can happen.one thing for sure we can't wait all summer to strengthen at centre back.

 

[Barney]

More than likely he would cost too much but deals are sometimes negotiated and if the player buys into what's happening at a club it can happen.one thing for sure we can't wait all summer to strengthen at centre back.

If he buys into what's happening at a club, why would he or they want to put in a clause that allows him to leave after a year of his three year contract?

 

[finlaytheblade]

He will want too much money as he nears the end of his career - there is better at less money - we SHOULD know by now who we are going to target and anyone out of contract is available to be tapped up from January onwards. If we do not know who we are actually wanting by now, then we are stuffed for next season, even before it starts.

Same applies to Hammond - he will also want too much money.

We do not have any cash to spend............we now have to be canny - just like other clubs in this division.

UTB

Hammond is 33 Fulwood and his last big pay deal finishes this summer,unless a championship club comes in for him and offers more than we are willing to pay,in my opinion he will be our player next season

 

[Woodwardfan]

He will want too much money as he nears the end of his career - there is better at less money - we SHOULD know by now who we are going to target and anyone out of contract is available to be tapped up from January onwards. If we do not know who we are actually wanting by now, then we are stuffed for next season, even before it starts.

Same applies to Hammond - he will also want too much money.

We do not have any cash to spend............we now have to be canny - just like other clubs in this division.

UTB

Agree with all you say except I do not believe our manager will have no cash to spend.

Good question at the forthcoming Fans Forum.

If not, the prince may as well give his shares to this Fans Forum. He'll just have produce that bit of money earmarked for the Championship for another year in L1 instead. The prince would lose face if we don't go up next season. If Adkins gets another crack at it he's a lucky man.

 

[finlaytheblade]

If he buys into what's happening at a club, why would he or they want to put in a clause that allows him to leave after a year of his three year contract?

Not saying there's any clause,just saying that borough might be willing to release him as they would be looking at a different level for centre backs .He may on the other hand want to fight for a place at borough or they might want to keep him. We will have to wait and see but if a deal could be cooked up
I think we as fans would welcome him with open arms.

 

[Barney]

Not saying there's any clause,just saying that borough might be willing to release him

That is impossible if he is contracted to three years. Unless they want to pay him off, which they won't.

 

[finlaytheblade]

And I'm saying that is impossible if he is contracted to three years. Unless they want to pay him off, which they won't.

Contracts can be cancelled that's how borough got him from Bolton ,it's all about money that is the key factor

 

[Barney]

Contracts can be cancelled

They can't though. The player would have to be paid off or they would have to agree not to be paid the wages they would be entitled to for the remainder of their contract, which is very rare. Why do you think we've not been able to get rid of all our deadwood? If only it was as simple as cancelling all their contracts.

 

[alcoblade]

They can't though. The player would have to be paid off or they would have to agree not to be paid the wages they would be entitled to for the remainder of their contract, which is very rare. Why do you think we've not been able to get rid of all our deadwood? If only it was as simple as cancelling all their contracts.

Fuck me, that took some time to land.

UTB

 

[JohnDenver]

Contracts can be cancelled that's how borough got him from Bolton ,it's all about money that is the key factor

We can't even sack Jose Baxter for heaven's sake. What does it actually take to tell a player to sling his hook?

 

[Barney]

Fuck me, that took some time to land.

UTB

What I advocated was actually possible.

 

[finlaytheblade]

They can't though. The player would have to be paid off or they would have to agree not to be paid the wages they would be entitled to for the remainder of their contract, which is very rare. Why do you think we've not been able to get rid of all our deadwood? If only it was as simple as cancelling all their contracts.

Contracts CAN be cancelled if all parties agree on the financial terms but as I said we will be very lucky to get him .

 

[alcoblade]

What I advocated was actually possible.

It was fairly clear you didn't have a grasp on the realities of it.

Most things are possible, far less are realistic.

UTB

 

[Higgo's Belly]

Congratulations on being the last man standing on the Kennavaro for the First Team campaign.

While we're at it, let's get James Wallace back from Shrewsbury and give him a few games in the first team too alongside Cuvelier.

I'm not the one who constantly spouts the phrase PATHWAY FOR THE YOUNG PLAYERS, Adkins is, but he then goes against this and does not involve certain good young players. Kennedy has already performed well at League One level and surely fits the bill for pathway for the young players, as a player with potential, who has progressed through the academy. For what ever reason Adkins has fallen out with Kennedy, so refuses to play him. He has not given him any sort of chance in the first team and prefers to play loan players like Baptise (who will not be signing for us) or Edgar (regularly away with Canada)
Likewise with Freeman, although he is not an academy player, he is a young player, with potential who can play on both flanks and is ideal for the bench for these reasons, if not in the team. The same applies to Scougall and McNulty (young players with potential who Adkins has discarded). McGahey is another young player who has not had a real chance. He has recently been back in the team, however through no fault of his own was dropped staright away when Edgar returned from his Canada trip. Adkins has issues with Freeman, McNulty and Scougall, or more likely has fallen out with them.
It appears PATHWAY FOR THE YOUNG PLAYERS only applies if you are a player whose face fits, not if you are better that others who are involved. Adkins has done the same as Clough, by allowing his personal feelings on players to interfere with his correct managerial decision on players. Clough however got slaughtered for this, but Adkins has escaped the same judgement from fans. Its a disgrace that these good young players are being discarded.

 

[Esablade]

Fuck me, that took some time to land.

UTB

...better late than never

 

[LoughboroBlade]

It appears PATHWAY FOR THE YOUNG PLAYERS only applies if you are a player whose face fits, not if you are better that others who are involved.

Alternatively, one of the clues might be in a word you've capitalised. As someone that will be 23 this year, frankly this is starting to be a stretch. The "pathway" should be about players improving year on year up the grades, getting to the first team, and proving yourself there. I'm afraid Kennedy has been along that pathway, during which despite the enthusiasm and potential his body can't take it. Showed he was good at League 1 level, but struggled to finish 90 mins and couldn't do two games in a week without being injured afterwards. He was then given an opportunity to prove his fitness at League 2 Cambridge, as I hoped he would because funnily enough I'd have liked him to be a success – they couldn't get rid of him fast enough.

He made his debut for us in the Championship – that really does hit home how long he has been a pro, and how the fact that we're even debating this is mind boggling. I don't doubt his effort to make it in the game, but at a time when we need reliable players in the squad for next season any contract offer to him would be utter madness. If for some reason Adkins signs a player that in five years as a pro footballer has started about 15 games of league footballer, I'll be first to label him a madman. We've got bugger all chance of getting Baptiste next season, but that's still a better chance than Kennedy getting any sort of deal from us.

The fact that you criticise Edgar for being away on international duty is comical. Is it three or four games he was missing for? That's unfortunately more than Kennedy averages per year sadly. If we're going to experiment with any of the young players in the middle of defence before the season finishes, there are several at U21 level we should be thinking about.