Time to Break the Pattern: Don't Sell Che!

[Revolution]

If people actually think we'd sell Adams and invest the money in a better player, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in buying.

And I do not understand how, given the way the season has gone, people can defend the Murphy sale. Don't you ever learn anything?

 

[Woodwardfan]

So you wouldn't accept £2.5m for something you value at £0.5m?

Sorry WHF I thought you might follow the logic more easily.

Sell him for £3m because it's daylight robbery. don't sell him for less because we might well make him into a much better player. We might, we might not. That's why £3m would be irresistable. OK?

£2.5m would be tempting but not enough probably. The cost in fan disappointment alone will be horrendous but they'd understand £3m plus I would think.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

All set against the backdrop of us never reinvesting monies received on replacements.

That's the crux of the matter and albeit we are discussing Che as a example , we never reinvest on the right replacements . Change that culture and we can only improve as a club. Don't change and never mind who is manager , we will continually be stuck in league 1.

It's not rocket science , but we have bought a desso pitch .

UTB

 

[Pollingtonblade]

If people actually think we'd sell Adams and invest the money in a better player, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in buying.

And I do not understand how, given the way the season has gone, people can defend the Murphy sale. Don't you ever learn anything?

Exactly - no one will convince me Murphy wasn't worth around 10 more points to us which would have seen us in the play offs.

And here's a radical idea - why not keep Adams and buy some other good players for him to play with?

You just know any sales will be done after the 'forums'

 

[PeteBlade]

That's the crux of the matter and albeit we are discussing Che as a example , we never reinvest on the right replacements . Change that culture and we can only improve as a club. Don't change and never mind who is manager , we will continually be stuck in league 1.

It's not rocket science , but we have bought a desso pitch .

UTB

Them dugouts look nice too.

 

[Bladesince59]

It's a fair question, if we accept the maxim that "every player has his price."

My starting point is, don't sell until an equal or better replacement is lined up. Any fee accepted would need to buy that player - preferably with some change.

Regularly selling your best assets and either not replacing them or bringing in players of lesser ability is, simply, bad strategy.

Like Murphy, Maguire, etc etc

 

[Kevincarterversion2.0]

But this is Sheffield United- selling our best players is what we do....

 

[Jehovah]

Fortunately due to constantly selling our best players, we have virtually no-one left care about losing.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Sorry WHF I thought you might follow the logic more easily.

Sell him for £3m because it's daylight robbery. don't sell him for less because we might well make him into a much better player. We might, we might not. That's why £3m would be irresistable. OK?

£2.5m would be tempting but not enough probably. The cost in fan disappointment alone will be horrendous but they'd understand £3m plus I would think.

I think we have different ideas about logic.

;-)

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Fully expecting him to be sold. And for the money to be "absorbed" seamlessly into running costs. And for further mass dissatisfaction to be the inevitable result.

How about surprising us just once United, eh?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Fully expecting him to be sold. And for the money to be "absorbed" seamlessly into running costs. And for further mass dissatisfaction to be the inevitable result.

How about surprising us just once United, eh?

Sacking Clough and entourage and paying them off
Buying the Beard
Buying Done
Hiring Adkins and his team on a three year contract
Funds for Hammond
Personally financing the club at £8m per year
Second highest wage bill(?) in the division

etc

Do the board lack ambition?

 

[Woodwardfan]

I think we have different ideas about logic.

;-)

I agree but I'll try again.

The player has potential, unfulfilled at present.

That promise is perhaps worth £500k at present but with a following wind and a lot of good coaching he might be worth £3m in a couple of years.

If some club want to pay that £3m now then take it.

If they offer less then refuse it and develop the player ourselves, in effect taking the risk that he won't see it through and might be worth nothing, bear in mind he has off the field problems at times.

If a club only offers £2m or £2.5m then call their bluff and take the risk we will get more in due course or even keep him forever if we do better as a club.

It's all about price and risk. You know the difference between Slew and Walker. With one the club robbed Blackburn. With the other Spurs robbed us. If we'd refused the cash for Slew we would have regretted it perhaps but if we'd refused the £3m for Walker we'd have been quids in.

Can't cover it any better WHF. Is that logical? It would be hard to refuse £3m but maybe justified to refuse less. My suggestion to refuse £2.5m might demand £3m anyway but if it didn't we would hope to develop the player beyond that.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Sacking Clough and entourage and paying them off
Buying the Beard
Buying Done
Hiring Adkins and his team on a three year contract
Funds for Hammond
Personally financing the club at £8m per year
Second highest wage bill(?) in the division

etc

Do the board lack ambition?

The £8 million covers everything else in that list apart from future contract payments. You're double counting for effect. A bit like Jim and his take on investment.

 

[Tezza1889]

I'm fine with selling any player at any time so long as the money goes to new players or a better replacement, this however doesn't happen at the lane does it, we get inferior players in, old boys on frees, and other peoples donkeys like Sammon, Then the fee we got for the starlet goes on player wages...

Mcabe/prince/whoever.....decide to pay player wages from selling off the talent, that's why we can't build a team, and can't get out of league one...

New owners needed, ones with ambition, not ones who talk a load of shit but don't ever back it up...

 

[Esablade]

Sell Che!?!?

Whatever next...tsk...

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I agree but I'll try again.

The player has potential, unfulfilled at present.

That promise is perhaps worth £500k at present but with a following wind and a lot of good coaching he might be worth £3m in a couple of years.

If some club want to pay that £3m now then take it.

If they offer less then refuse it and develop the player ourselves, in effect taking the risk that he won't see it through and might be worth nothing, bear in mind he has off the field problems at times.

If a club only offers £2m or £2.5m then call their bluff and take the risk we will get more in due course or even keep him forever if we do better as a club.

It's all about price and risk. You know the difference between Slew and Walker. With one the club robbed Blackburn. With the other Spurs robbed us. If we'd refused the cash for Slew we would have regretted it perhaps but if we'd refused the £3m for Walker we'd have been quids in.

Can't cover it any better WHF. Is that logical? It would be hard to refuse £3m but maybe justified to refuse less. My suggestion to refuse £2.5m might demand £3m anyway but if it didn't we would hope to develop the player beyond that.

Slew and Walker are good examples of the judgements that have to be made and the differing consequnces they came entail.

 

[PeteBlade]

Sacking Clough and entourage and paying them off
Buying the Beard
Buying Done
Hiring Adkins and his team on a three year contract
Funds for Hammond
Personally financing the club at £8m per year
Second highest wage bill(?) in the division

etc

Do the board lack ambition?

Selling McDonald
Selling Maguire
Selling Murphy
Hiring Wilson
Not buying anyone in January
Having the 5th/6th highest wage bill in league 1
Providing 'funds' for a loan player being classed as ambition

Anyone can make fancy lists

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Sell Che!?!?

Whatever next...tsk...

Said the elephants dentist ;-)

 

[Lowen]

Selling Che would be different to the selling of Blackman, McDonald, Maguire and Murphy because he isn't our 'best' player, whereas they all were. People will come in for Che, 10 goals for a 19 year old is pretty decent and he might get a couple more before the seasons done. I think we have to keep him because the club doesn't seem to reinvest the transfer money efficiently and he will no doubt improve on next season and become a more rounded player.

 

[The Bohemian]

Having the 5th/6th highest wage bill in league 1

Assuming Wigan is the highest - who are the other 4 or 5?

Providing 'funds' for a loan player being classed as ambition

Loan signings can be ambitious and hugely expensive once loan fees, wage contribution and agents cut are taken into account.

Signing Hammond was doubtless "ambitious" in respect of investment level.

 

[PeteBlade]

Assuming Wigan is the highest - who are the other 4 or 5?



Loan signings can be ambitious and hugely expensive once loan fees, wage contribution and agents cut are taken into account.

Signing Hammond was doubtless "ambitious" in respect of investment level.

I don't know. I don't have access to our wage bill or anyone else's. I'm going on the comments Adkins made pre season.

No one has any idea what Hammond is on or how much of we're paying.

And agents cuts for short term loan deals?

 

[nopigfansintown]

Any valuation has to be made on potential. I'd have wanted double for Murphy considering his age and importance to us. Also the price for average championship wingers is phenomenal - we didn't realise even half that price. Che is a kid that has done has well as he has, without an academy background or the proven quality youth coaching someone like Slew had for years. He's very, very raw but already showing signs of big improvements in his game. He has the best athletic makeup I've see at United, alongside Walker; he's scary for 19 years old. Give him a new contract and don't even talk to clubs who offer less than five million (I'd want ten). He may end up a head case or not fulfill his potential, but the raw materials he has are extremely rare. I bet MK Dons and Barnsley are gutted at the deals they got for Stones and Alli. The money coming into the game is incredible and he should represent a huge financial opportunity - if nothing else. I feel with a distance midfield behind him he would have scoredeven more goals this season. If United fans concede that we cannot keep good players at our level, logic dictates we remain at this level.

 

[CarlMcBlade]

There's an awful lot of good young players in this divison who have actually proved themselves. Chè is still "dining out" on his Tottenham brace and has largely gone under the "radar" this season.

 

[FTPE]

Che isn't worth-and no club will therefore put in- anywhere near 2 million.
Have the owners backed us enough to turn down offers for our better players? Not really.
Have they backed is enough where we don't have to let our players go for half of what their potential is worth? probably.
All that said, if the player wants to go, we ain't keeping him. It's sounds like he only trains when he wants, I can't ever see him having a testimonial with here!

 

[Borbokisfreekick]

Suppose:

1. he is offered the chance of first team football in a higher division
2. on a higher wage
3. there is a bid
4. we reject it
5. he hands in a transfer request

Should we hold him to his contract?

Yes we should, and like the other players we sold in August we should have said you have a contract, contribute until January and see where we are and maybe we'll consider.

We are bound to useless players with contracts so it should work the other way.

If they throw their toys out of the pram then let them rot in the U21's until the following window.

 

[CaptainMorgans]

I don't think it's in Che's, or any young talent's, best interests to stay here right now. These are turbulent times, no managerial stability, downward trajectory football wise, our squad (for now) is littered with lads who don't give a shit (he seems to be one himself), if I was him I'd go if a decent offer from the league above comes in. If he fails as a footballer (which would only be down to his own attitude) he may have made £1m in two years whilst tossing it off. If he makes it in the league above who knows where it might end up for him.

 

[Sheffsteel]

There will always be a problem trying to attract and/ or keep Championship standard players whilst we remain in league 1. Why would a good player play for SU when they can get a pay rise and play at a higher level?

Also lets be fair most transfers are risks ( especially with young players).

It's like going in the roulette table a McCabe putting his money on red
Some fans on here would be saying "it was so obvious he should have put his money on black"

I remember this forum going mad when we sold Slew for 1 million
Because most of our fans were convinced he was going to be a big star in the PL.

Remember when Curtis Woodhouse had 1 great season for us, then we sold his to Birmingham and he was poor.
Lee Morris also had 1 great season for us, then we sold him to Derby and he was never seen again.

I would say Adams is currently worth £400K but he has the potential to be worth £5 million.
However he's very young so could easily do a Jordan Slew Ann never make it in the big time.
If we were offered 1 million I'd say no but if it was £2 million with add ons then I'd have to consider it
It depends on the manager and what the replacements can be.

 

[bladesmanluke]

This is the kind of thinking that has led to our demise over the years.

Che can contribute 15 goals and 12 assists next season. A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Che will surpass that next season if we don't sell him.
If we sold him for £25m we still wouldn't sign a replacement

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

 

[Bladesince59]

N

It'll be Brayford I reckon.

No great loss