Who are we worried will be retained?

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I would genuinely be concerned if we retained any of the players out of contract at the end of the season... complete dog shit the lot of them
 



Rodley said:
Wouldn't go for Edgar as he's always off on international duty and that affects the continuity of the team. And he's pretty ordinary. We can do better!
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think he's OK though nowt special as you say. Good point about the internationals that seemed to stuff us a quite bit in October.
 
I'd keep Flynn as long as he's not a high earner. Having to bring in two players for each position is going to mean months of chopping and changing the side while Adkins works out what he's doing again. Keeping some continuity is vital, and if the retained players end up on the bench because we actually signed someone better then that's fine.

Assuming all the players that are out on loan are released and the loanees don't stay, there are only a few left playing for a contract. I'd like to see Flynn at right wing back as that's theoretically a position that should suit him and Basham's crossing is woeful. Then give the central midfield runner role that Flynn was in yesterday to Cuvelier or DCL. Flo's injuries probably mean he's a gonner, but if he's going to be in the matchday squad, he should get a chance to play. Otherwise he's just blocking another youngster getting on the bench.
 
Numerous teams have come down to BDTBL and shown us what is needed to compete and succeed at this level.

We can go most of next season with Billy and Che up front, even though Che has lots to learn, but we HAVE to have a midfield that gives them quality to work with.

Our midfield worked very hard yesterday - very little bloody QUALITY.

UTB
 
Revolution said:
Of those not contracted for next season:

Hammond
Flynn
Sammon
J Wallace
McEveley
Howard
Harris
Freeman
Cuvelier

To quote Colonel Kurtz, we need fewer men and better.

Flynn's improvement now there's no pressure on him (an improvement not seen in away games, I might add) was predicted by a number of posters. Equally predictable is his return to sub mediocrity if we are dumb enough to give him a new deal.
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I think Freeman's got another year
 
Surprised that LS26 hasn't been in here yet to say all of them
 
Ricky said:
No it isn't, believe it or not. Do you suggest we get rid and give ourselves yet another signing to make? Like it or not, you need squad players, and McEveley's a decent enough squad player. You won't find a more suitable player for the LCB slot either if we're to carry on with 3-5-2.
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o_O
 
Top of the list of those not to be retained should be Adkins. His performance has been far worse than that of any of the under performing players and that takes some doing.
 
I agree totally about most on Flynn. He did this the other year when his contract was coming up. He knows if he is released (and should be) the most he is going to get is someone like Chesterfield in our division or even LEague Two or back to Scotland. All on much less wages.

I would not retain him but if it is even being considered it should be a one year deal on a vastly reduced wage - but for me we have to move on from the likes of him and McEveley. If they are not considered good enough for the first team (which they should not be in a team going for promotion) I am not sure you being them back even as a cover.

We have to change the outlook and attitude. Those saying we need some continuity I do not agree. Continuity of what? Shit we have seen for the last few seasons. We need fresh blood and fresh enthusiasm.

I noted Adkins notes in the programme and it pleased me to say we have spent a lot of time scouting in reference to the planning for players for next season (would make it odd if he leaves)

I was in the International bar pre game and saw the Gills players come out at 1.30pm in tracksuits. Some had clearly not played here before and you could see how impressed they were with the ground/pitch etc. Many were taking selfies/photos which was odd but showed what they thought of the ground. I do not think we will have the problems some have said about attracting players;; at least from our league and one below. Our wages still will be bigger than most (if not all - save maybe for a few of clubs coming down) so we should still be an attractive sell.
 
I would only keep 5 or 6 in an ideal world but realistically speaking we need to hold on to about 14 players. I would keep....

Long
Freeman
Brayford
Kelly
Basham
McGahey
K Wallace
Done
Reed
Whiteman
Cuvelier
Calvert-Lewin
Sharp
Adams

Release the rest or do what we can to move on those still under contract. I would then try to sign (ideal scenario).....


Alex Baptiste (starter)
David Edgar (squad)
*Insert a leader/centre back here (starter)
*Insert lively left sided player here (starter)
Jack Payne (starter)
Lucas Akins (starter)
*Insert a link up/target man here (squad)

In summary 5 good first team signings and a couple for the 18 would be enough to improve us I think. We have a decent academy that is drip feeding players to the senior squad that can support it.
 



Patrick Suffaux said:
I would only keep 5 or 6 in an ideal world but realistically speaking we need to hold on to about 14 players. I would keep....

Long
Freeman
Brayford
Kelly
Basham
McGahey
K Wallace
Done
Reed
Whiteman
Cuvelier
Calvert-Lewin
Sharp
Adams

Release the rest or do what we can to move on those still under contract. I would then try to sign (ideal scenario).....


Alex Baptiste (starter)
David Edgar (squad)
*Insert a leader/centre back here (starter)
*Insert lively left sided player here (starter)
Jack Payne (starter)
Lucas Akins (starter)
*Insert a link up/target man here (squad)

In summary 5 good first team signings and a couple for the 18 would be enough to improve us I think. We have a decent academy that is drip feeding players to the senior squad that can support it.
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What has Cuvelier and Freeman done to suggest they should remain? Seriously. One lad cant get near the Pompey side; the other has played about 10 games in 3 season and might have had 1 so-so game for the club in 3 seasons. What an earth has he done to deserve a new contract? Think we can do much better than Egdar too. He has played a lot this season and we have let a lot of goals in. We need some dominance in there.

By your reckoning we will have a very similiar side to this season which has not done it.

We are going to finish some 20 odd points off promotion and you are advocating keeping a whole lot more than most would from a team that has been miles off good enough. Why do we need to hold onto 14 players? I would rather us retain the 7 or 8 and bring in 10 new ones. Its a lot of work but they have had all season to identify signings and have known for some time what league we were going to be in.

Reed and K Wallace need to be put on loan for me.

I simply understand this attitude of we cant have wholesale changes or we cant change too many players. On the contrary we cannot afford not to change so much when we have an ideal chance.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
I would only keep 5 or 6 in an ideal world but realistically speaking we need to hold on to about 14 players. I would keep....

Long
Freeman
Brayford
Kelly
Basham
McGahey
K Wallace
Done
Reed
Whiteman
Cuvelier
Calvert-Lewin
Sharp
Adams

Release the rest or do what we can to move on those still under contract. I would then try to sign (ideal scenario).....


Alex Baptiste (starter)
David Edgar (squad)
*Insert a leader/centre back here (starter)
*Insert lively left sided player here (starter)
Jack Payne (starter)
Lucas Akins (starter)
*Insert a link up/target man here (squad)

In summary 5 good first team signings and a couple for the 18 would be enough to improve us I think. We have a decent academy that is drip feeding players to the senior squad that can support it.
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You're baffled by the suggestion McEveley should be kept yet would keep Freeman and sign Edgar? One who can't get in a League Two team and the other who's been less reliable than McEveley and will miss games due to international duty. K Wallace and McGahey haven't done anything to be kept ahead of McEveley either.

We've got a lot of signings to make. We can't be signing squad players. Every signing has to count. We have enough in place already (as long as certain contracts are renewed) to make up the rest of the squad.
 
SBSP said:
Hammond.

He was better yesterday. But if he is our starting CM next season we may as well right it off now.
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If Adkins beleaves Hammond should be the fulcrum of our midfield next season SBSP so be it he definitely plays better in a team
That plays on the front foot.I have said a number of times recently that if we are going to stick with Adkins then we have to trust
his squad building, ok so he's had some failures this season but if he beleaves Hammond is the man we have to accept it,for in the long run
he would lose his job with another season out of the promotion frame.There's no doubt Hammond is pulling a few strings within this new shape
and I don't mean just 3-5-2 but 4-4-2 or any other shape that gets us on the front foot and makes us exciting to watch.we have to give Adkins time to put his squad for next season together.
 
Deadbat said:
What has Cuvelier and Freeman done to suggest they should remain? Seriously. One lad cant get near the Pompey side; the other has played about 10 games in 3 season and might have had 1 so-so game for the club in 3 seasons. What an earth has he done to deserve a new contract? Think we can do much better than Egdar too. He has played a lot this season and we have let a lot of goals in. We need some dominance in there.

By your reckoning we will have a very similiar side to this season which has not done it.

We are going to finish some 20 odd points off promotion and you are advocating keeping a whole lot more than most would from a team that has been miles off good enough. Why do we need to hold onto 14 players? I would rather us retain the 7 or 8 and bring in 10 new ones. Its a lot of work but they have had all season to identify signings and have known for some time what league we were going to be in.

Reed and K Wallace need to be put on loan for me.

I simply understand this attitude of we cant have wholesale changes or we cant change too many players. On the contrary we cannot afford not to change so much when we have an ideal chance.
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First of all breathe and calm down.

Secondly you try bringing in 10 players with a typical Sheffield United budget at this level. You will simply end up signing 7 out of 10 other no hopers on longer contracts than the ones you let go, thus continuing the perpetual malaise.

Freeman and Cuvelier are both still young and haven't had long enough runs in the team to be able to prove anything. Worth keeping as squad players as I'm not confident we would have 10 out of 10 successful signings.

In reality you will never get the squad down to 7 or 8 players anyway, won't happen so I would respectfully advise adjusting your expectations.
 
Ricky said:
You're baffled by the suggestion McEveley should be kept yet would keep Freeman and sign Edgar? One who can't get in a League Two team and the other who's been less reliable than McEveley and will miss games due to international duty. K Wallace and McGahey haven't done anything to be kept ahead of McEveley either.

We've got a lot of signings to make. We can't be signing squad players. Every signing has to count. We have enough in place already (as long as certain contracts are renewed) to make up the rest of the squad.
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Firstly if you think McEveley is worth keeping over Edgar and Freeman you might need to see a shrink.

Secondly you will never make every signing count. If you think we can go out and make wholesale changes where all the signings (what 10? 12?) will make an impact the. As I've said in another post, I would advise adjusting expectations.

Edgar and Freeman would be fine as fringe players. Could do a job here and there in an emergency provided the strongest eleven is improved overall. I can think of at least 5 players that have been worse than those two, far worse.
 
“He had a great partnership with Dean (Hammond) midway through the season when we didn’t lose many games at all."

Can anyone tell me when this period was? Thanks
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
Firstly if you think McEveley is worth keeping over Edgar and Freeman you might need to see a shrink.

Secondly you will never make every signing count. If you think we can go out and make wholesale changes where all the signings (what 10? 12?) will make an impact the. As I've said in another post, I would advise adjusting expectations.

Edgar and Freeman would be fine as fringe players. Could do a job here and there in an emergency provided the strongest eleven is improved overall. I can think of at least 5 players that have been worse than those two, far worse.
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Edgar and Freeman would be fine as fringe players, but McEveley wouldn't. Yet it's me who needs to 'see a shrink'. I take it everyone with a different opinion to your own is also advised to seek help. Deary me.

Why do you think Freeman's been sent out on loan to League Two? And if you've seen many games at all this year you'd know McEveley has been one of our most consistent performers, and certainly no more culpable than Edgar for goals we've conceded.

By make every signing count I mean we should aim to ensure they're all players who'll go into the starting 11 and improve us. We have enough squad players in place. Then if we need more, we can add more. But I don't want to see us make any Woolford type signings early on in the window. I remember when Clough did that with JCR, and I knew that we'd get it wrong.
 
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Fulwood Blade said:
Numerous teams have come down to BDTBL and shown us what is needed to compete and succeed at this level.

We can go most of next season with Billy and Che up front, even though Che has lots to learn, but we HAVE to have a midfield that gives them quality to work with.

Our midfield worked very hard yesterday - very little bloody QUALITY.

UTB
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I would disagree mate about the Sharp / Adams pairing ....... just don't think it works as Adams is too similar. I think we need a big, strong, fast CF to play upfront with Sharp.

UTB & FTP
 
Harry's Game said:
Five weeks ago I would have agreed with you over Edgar, but he has been excellent in the three centre back role. If that's the formation we are going to go with I would have no problem in him singing on a free.
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Depends, does he prefer r n b or jazz? or is he a rock n roll man?
 
Ricky said:
Edgar and Freeman would be fine as fringe players, but McEveley wouldn't. Yet it's me who needs to 'see a shrink'. I take it everyone with a different opinion to your own is also advised to seek help. Deary me.

Why do you think Freeman's been sent out on loan to League Two? And if you've seen many games at all this year you'd know McEveley has been one of our most consistent performers, and certainly no more culpable than Edgar for goals we've conceded.

By make every signing count I mean we should aim to ensure they're all players who'll go into the starting 11 and improve us. We have enough squad players in place. Then if we need more, we can add more. But I don't want to see us make any Woolford type signings early on in the window. I remember when Clough did that with JCR, and I knew that we'd get it wrong.
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There are enough people on here alone that can see McEveley hasn't been anywhere near the required for most of this season.

If you have trouble seeing something as blatantly obvious as that there little point in is debating anything else. I welcome alternative opinions, I'm a very open minded person but suggesting McEveley has been a consistent performer this season is like saying Messi is out of form.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
There are enough people on here alone that can see McEveley hasn't been anywhere near the required for most of this season.

If you have trouble seeing something as blatantly obvious as that there little point in is debating anything else. I welcome alternative opinions, I'm a very open minded person but suggesting McEveley has been a consistent performer this season is like saying Messi is out of form.
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I've not said McEveley's been a consistent performer all season. Suggesting Edgar has been more consistent would be like saying Messi isn't very good at football. Edgar is also less versatile. Yet you'd keep him as a squad player but not McEveley? Hmmm...
 
Ricky said:
I've not said McEveley's been a consistent performer all season. Suggesting Edgar has been more consistent would be like saying Messi isn't very good at football. Edgar is also less versatile. Yet you'd keep him as a squad player but not McEveley? Hmmm...
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You said McEveley has been one of our most consistent performers. That was the comment I was referring to. I accept you didn't say all season but the context is more relevant than the wording.

We differ on whether McEveley offers anything to the team/squad. Whether Edgar and Freeman offer more or not is another debate. We will clearly agree on neither hence discussion over.

The fact that we are talking about keeping any of them makes me want to cry.
 
Patrick Suffaux said:
You said McEveley has been one of our most consistent performers. That was the comment I was referring to. I accept you didn't say all season but the context is more relevant than the wording.

We differ on whether McEveley offers anything to the team/squad. Whether Edgar and Freeman offer more or not is another debate. We will clearly agree on neither hence discussion over.

The fact that we are talking about keeping any of them makes me want to cry.
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We're inevitably going to see players remain whom we'd hoped to see the back of. The only way it become tolerable is if the summer signings make these players secondary contributors.
 



It's a sad state to be in when we have people advocating McEveley as a mainstay in our squad. He has improved in the second half of the season but improved is the only word I'd use, he still has a mishap in him in nearly every game I've seen him play and has been let off on a few occasions due to George Longs' saves.

I say all this realising we won't get rid of everyone but that is realistically what needs to happen if we want to get promotion next season.

Keep Long, Brayford if he can prove he's back to full fitness with his old appetite and hopefully playing with better players, Baptiste (if possible), Whiteman, Done, Adams and Sharp. Reed and possibly DCL to send them on loan.The rest I couldn't give one iota about, even though I know we'll keep double possibly nearly treble the numbers I've given. I'd love this club to surprise me this summer but i won't hold my breath.

Realistically, to challenge for promotion next season we need 1 GK, 2 CBs', an outright LB, 2 wingers, 2 CMs' and possibly 1 striker. Yes, I know, I'm dreaming!
 
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