The Baxter Procedure - Details?

[William Henry Foulkes]

The Baxter Procedure
by Robert Ludlum

Adkins makes reference to it in his interview but does anyone know the details of the procedure?

• Why does it take so long for the B-sample to be tested?
• If it's positive then what?
• Is it breach of contract?
• If so then what?
• What is the FA's role?
• What is the timeframe?
• Is he suspended on full pay?

From Baxter's pov has he been referred to, say, Tony Adams's Sporting Chance? These are private medical matters but it doesn't do any harm to show some interest.

http://ludlumtitle.blogspot.co.uk/

 

[robbiez666]

He's more Natural Born Waster

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Sack the dirty little Druggie

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Sharapova: performance-improving drug cheat; a disgrace to her sport.

Baxter: (perennial?) user of recreational drugs; harming himself more than anyone else.

 

[alcoblade]

Sharapova: performance-improving drug cheat; a disgrace to her sport.

Baxter: (perennial?) user of recreational drugs; harming himself more than anyone else.

Performance enhancing drugs must be like Kryptonite to our fuckers.

UTB

 

[PeteBlade]

The Baxter Procedure
by Robert Ludlum

Adkins makes reference to it in his interview but does anyone know the details of the procedure?

• Why does it take so long for the B-sample to be tested?
• If it's positive then what?
• Is it breach of contract?
• If so then what?
• What is the FA's role?
• What is the timeframe?
• Is he suspended on full pay?

From Baxter's pov has he been referred to, say, Tony Adams's Sporting Chance? These are private medical matters but it doesn't do any harm to show some interest.

http://ludlumtitle.blogspot.co.uk/

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It's too easy to pretend he's an addict and not just a scummy wanker.

 

[Jostein's Bandage]

1 Feck him off
2 Wait for the powers that be to piss about for months re-testing and shit
3 Tell everybody you've fecked him off

 

[Dkc]

He could be back in the team on Saturday if his B sample is negative

 

[Sean Thornton]

He could be back in the team on Saturday if his B sample is negative

If I lose a few stones overnight I could probably give Adkins fifteen minutes before the end.

 

[PeteBlade]

He could be back in the team on Saturday if his B sample is negative

Yes. That will definitely happen.

 

[sitwell]

How come the A sample took 24 hours ( about 20 minutes to get on s24su) and the B sample takes a month.

 

[Dkc]

Perhaps it's inconclusive or even negative. More likely we're just negotiating his terms of release.

 

[Santos]

What on earth does a Sheffield United player need to do to get the sack? Taking Coke, bottling someone in Dublin and Rape doesn't seem to meet the threshold.

And you wonder why our little darlings are still in this stupid division.

 

[boo radley]

If I lose a few stones overnight I could probably give Adkins fifteen minutes before the end.

" fifteen minutes"! Exclaimed your partner when I saw her "thats would be thousands of a percentage increase and after, all he wants to do is the shopping".

 

[boo radley]

How come the A sample took 24 hours ( about 20 minutes to get on s24su) and the B sample takes a month.

It depends which courier service you use

 

[SwissBlade]

How come the A sample took 24 hours ( about 20 minutes to get on s24su) and the B sample takes a month.

I had a similar one for my work medical for iraq:

Sample A
Pee in a cup, under strict observation and rules
1 Select cup from a choice of 2-3 sealed cups
2 The doc then unseals the bag and sticks your details on the label on the cup
3 Take the cup to the toilets, Observer (doctor) goes into the toilets, checks nobody else is inside cubicles, pours dye into toilet.
4 You're pockets are emptied and a quick pat down. You then take the cup into the cubicle and do the business.
5 You finish your business, put the sample pot with lid on on the side. The doctor then takes a seal and places it over the lid and cup.
6 you're then allowed to wash your hands.
7 The doctor explains what the coding is and then pulls off a label on the front, inside the cup there are several tabs for each drug tested. Similar to litmus paper, each tab will change colour for a positive/ negative result.

Negative result - No further action. Sample is then sealed in a bag and both doctor and yourself sign and date.

Positive - I think you then take another test and they also take blood. This is not then tested in front of you, but sent away to a lab for full testing along with the original test sample.

 

[Tezza1889]

I had a similar one for my work medical for iraq:

Sample A
Pee in a cup, under strict observation and rules
1 Select cup from a choice of 2-3 sealed cups
2 The doc then unseals the bag and sticks your details on the label on the cup
3 Take the cup to the toilets, Observer (doctor) goes into the toilets, checks nobody else is inside cubicles, pours dye into toilet.
4 You're pockets are emptied and a quick pat down. You then take the cup into the cubicle and do the business.
5 You finish your business, put the sample pot with lid on on the side. The doctor then takes a seal and places it over the lid and cup.
6 you're then allowed to wash your hands.
7 The doctor explains what the coding is and then pulls off a label on the front, inside the cup there are several tabs for each drug tested. Similar to litmus paper, each tab will change colour for a positive/ negative result.

Negative result - No further action. Sample is then sealed in a bag and both doctor and yourself sign and date.

Positive - I think you then take another test and they also take blood. This is not then tested in front of you, but sent away to a lab for full testing along with the original test sample.

That's word for word the procedure we use at work, except blood isn't taken..

 

[Cyprus Blade]

The Baxter Procedure
by Robert Ludlum

Adkins makes reference to it in his interview but does anyone know the details of the procedure?

A bloke called Don said (no editing):

" i had the Baxter Procedure perfomed on my foot 18 months ago. My doctor as most doctors who trained under Dr. Baxter believe the PF pain is caused by inflamed fascia pressing on this nerve. The Baxter procedures involves cutting a simecurcular wedge of fascia about 1/2' out where the fascia attaches to the heel. This is directily over the Baxter Nerve. It is not a traditional release although you are in fact releasing about 1/2 inch of fascia from the heel. the incision is small and recovery is fast with little or no loss of foot stability as very little fascia is removed. Not many doctors are trained or do this procedure. Ther are two in my city both orthopedic foot and ankle surgeons. Carl Lewis the olympic runner had it done and went back to running. It will work for many and not for some but not as much downside as a release of 50% of your fascia. I am of course not a doctor but a patient who had the procedure so what i am saying is based on my experience and reading and discussion with the doctors who use this procedure. "

There are alternative cures - one involves sticking white powder up your nose and a P45 and another involves a barbers shop quartet of Club Owner, Manager and the FA and PFA reps singing an off-key version of "He's a poor little sheep who has lost his way, boo, hoo, hoo"

Hope that clears it up.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Perhaps it's inconclusive or even negative. More likely we're just negotiating his terms of release.

Terms of release?! It's gross misconduct just sack him!

 

[mosbolad]

Baxter: (perennial?) user of recreational drugs; harming himself more than anyone else.

Except when other people are physically harmed giving rise to the 'Club Statement' and his exclusion from the team in December. Except the bad publicity continually brought to the club by incidents like these. Also the potential detrimental effect on his performance during training and matches which in turn harms the performance of the club as a whole and the paying fans who at least expect players to be performing at or very near their (sometimes limited) potential. Oh and the opportunity cost to the club of a player we could have had who took the game seriously and may not have had 3 self inflicted bans.

Apart from that he harms no-one but himself, so good luck to him I say, when is he back in the team?


Your new Robert Ludlum novel is called...

The Tinnitus
Fistula

 

[Kenilworth]

Negative result - No further action. Sample is then sealed in a bag and both doctor and yourself sign and date.

At least you got yourself a date

How'd that go, by the way?

 

[Bladebri]

Q: Who makes more money a cocaine dealer or a prostitute?
A
A prostitute, because she can always wash her crack, and sell it again!

 

[SwissBlade]

That's word for word the procedure we use at work, except blood isn't taken..

I think they only take it for the positive tests don't they?

 

[SwissBlade]

At least you got yourself a date

How'd that go, by the way?

Who did what now?

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

Except when other people are physically harmed giving rise to the 'Club Statement' and his exclusion from the team in December. Except the bad publicity continually brought to the club by incidents like these. Also the potential detrimental effect on his performance during training and matches which in turn harms the performance of the club as a whole and the paying fans who at least expect players to be performing at or very near their (sometimes limited) potential. Oh and the opportunity cost to the club of a player we could have had who took the game seriously and may not have had 3 self inflicted bans.

Apart from that he harms no-one but himself, so good luck to him I say, when is he back in the team?


Your new Robert Ludlum novel is called...

The Tinnitus
Fistula

I'm not arguing that Baxter ought not to have his contract terminated (if all the rumours are true, including the Irish ones).

I'm just pointing out the incredibly large difference between, on the one hand, deliberately flouting drug rules to enhance performance (despicable) &, on the other, using recreational drugs (which don't enhance performance, but which may or may not harm performance).

In Baxter's case, it's behaviour (& performance levels arising from drug use maybe?) that ought to be at issue, rather than drug use per se, I'd argue. On this subject, there's an interesting article here that I read, concerning the ethics of using a particular recreational drug in another sport -

http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/3/3/8146531/nba-marijuana-policy-larry-sanders

 

[shorehamview]

It comes down to three options.

One, he's a cheating twat. Sack him.
Two, he's a druggie twat. Sack him.
Three, he's a stupid but unlucky twat. Very unlikely, but perhaps he has had his drink spiked twice without his knowledge. Still, sack him.

 

[sitwell]

No matter if its positive or not ,hes put himself in these situations too many times ,and sometimes doesn't turn out when picked ,he is of no use to us ,how many points has he gained us in the past 2 seasons. Who knows what would have happened at Swindon with a fit Brayford and an available Baxter in the play offs ? Another one who will be remembered in years to come as another in a long list of wankers weve employed. If we offer him any type of contract at all I will be so fucked off. Be interesting who does.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I'm not arguing that Baxter ought not to have his contract terminated (if all the rumours are true, including the Irish ones).

I'm just pointing out the incredibly large difference between, on the one hand, deliberately flouting drug rules to enhance performance (despicable) &, on the other, using recreational drugs (which don't enhance performance, but which may or may not harm performance).

In Baxter's case, it's behaviour (& performance levels arising from drug use maybe?) that ought to be at issue, rather than drug use per se, I'd argue. On this subject, there's an interesting article here that I read, concerning the ethics of using a particular recreational drug in another sport -

http://www.blazersedge.com/2015/3/3/8146531/nba-marijuana-policy-larry-sanders

Alcohol is a drug.

I wonder if what's really going on here is moralising mission creep and some kind of abuse of "probable cause".

Tests for PEDs - which are reasonable to stop cheating - incidentally show up recreational drug use which is a private matter.

In the case of cocaine (rumoured, but confirmed in Baxter's case?) there is some crossover as it may be used to enhance performance.

 

[SwissBlade]

Terms of release?! It's gross misconduct just sack him!

I also say sack him, but the PFA are involved and he will be seen to be getting hung out to dry because of this, rightly so - as with Sharapova, he knew the rules - FFS he'd already broken them, knowingly or otherwise. At least Sharapova admitted that she'd fucked up straight away (has any athlete ever done this before? )

However, I believe, begrudgingly that we also have a duty of care here. Its a drug, its illegal and can be addictive...

In the case of cocaine (rumoured, but confirmed in Baxter's case?) there is some crossover as it may be used to enhance performance.

Trust me, a bit of Charlie does nothing for your performance

 

[Santos]

I also say sack him, but the PFA are involved and he will be seen to be getting hung out to dry because of this, rightly so - as with Sharapova, he knew the rules - FFS he'd already broken them, knowingly or otherwise. At least Sharapova admitted that she'd fucked up straight away (has any athlete ever done this before? )

However, I believe, begrudgingly that we also have a duty of care here. Its a drug, its illegal and can be addictive...



Trust me, a bit of Charlie does nothing for your performance

We don't owe him anything. He's had chance after chance after chance. Plus he's good on about one out of ten games. If he had the quality of Cantona I would be a bit more forgiving. Sack the fat waster now. On a separate note, I happened to watch highlights of the battle of bramall lane this morning and completely forgot that ON THE EVENING of the game, we announced Santos and Suffo would never play for the club again. Would you believe it? We DID used to take decisive action over player misconduct. Nowadays we release a shitty non committal statement and nothing ever happens.

The players are taking the piss out of the club and the fans. Disgrace. Hang Baxter out to dry and it might serve as a wake up call to the rest of the morons in the squad.