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GreasyChipBeattie said:
Burton's last 10 games: Won 4, Drawn 2, Lost 4.
Over a season, that would equate to about 64 points.
Not even enough for the play-offs.
Just saying like.
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Burton over the last ten games = 14 points, which equates to 49 points over 35 games. I wonder which team in our league are currently on 49 points after 35 games? o_O
 
How many games have been enjoyable under Adkins vs enjoyable under Clough?
And dont give me that cup counts for nothing bollocks, they were great.
League position wise, we moved forwards. Not as fast as we would have liked but certainly moved forwards under Clough.
He should have been given more time.

No one is saying he was perfect, but to paraphrase Jack Nicholson - "what if that was as good as it gets?"
 
I personally believe that had the Clough for JFH switch happened last summer they'd be nowhere near the top of the table currently. He's joined a club in an ideal position where they're riding a high. It's a testament to just how poor and inconsistent this division is that they've still got a comfy lead at the top while their form has been mediocre. And to how awful we've been that we haven't been able to capitalise.
 
nowtfancy said:
And dont give me that cup counts for nothing bollocks, they were great.
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To borrow a quote from my old Uni tutor regarding sticking to a brief...

'Say I ask you to build me a house and you a build me a swimming pool instead. The swimming pool is beautiful and is well made, but it's not what I asked for. What good is a beautiful swimming pool when a house is what I needed?'

The cup runs were fun, yes. But they weren't what this club needed.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
To borrow a quote from my old Uni tutor regarding sticking to a brief...

'Say I ask you to build me a house and you a build me a swimming pool instead. The swimming pool is beautiful and is well made, but it's not what I asked for. What good is a beautiful swimming pool when a house is what I needed?'

The cup runs were fun, yes. But they weren't what this club needed.
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Winning football matches and enjoying football matches are exactly what we need. There has been less of both since we sacked Nigel the 1st.
 
Lane Ender said:
Burton wont go up.
Clough plays fear football no bottle.
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They are nine points clear with 11 to play. I think they'll scrape up in 2nd, just because no one seems to be able to put a run together
 
nowtfancy said:
Winning football matches and enjoying football matches are exactly what we need. There has been less of both since we sacked Nigel the 1st.
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And he may well have been given another crack at the whip if he hadn't proven himself untrustworthy with the purse strings, provided a lot of dull football and fallen out with the board. He who signed Higdon is not the messiah.

Question: Besides most of the cup games, how many league games were genuinely enjoyable? I don't recall many. I remember beating Fleetwood 3-0 and being bored out of my tree.

Most of this lot have proved that they're not up to the mighty task of League 1 football. For that I don't blame Nige 2. Let's see what a Nige 2 team really looks like before passing full judgement.
 



What would achieve to sack him? We've got someone in with a track record, Adkins isn't a mug he knows the squad are shit, i'm very much inclined to believe that he has the forward thinking nouce to modernise the way we play etc. that we all crave. Lets be right, this isn't all his fault, he's the easy option to blame. For the last 10 years we've been a top draw for mercinaries and adequate players. The wages we offer are stupid, the players we target even more pathetic even before Woolford et.al. The real downward spiral was Adams sacking off Bartley and Leon Britton and replacing them with Collins and Doyle. It's paved the way for the model of signing. The last two managers in my opinion who tried to inject youth or decent playing staff were Speed & Weir. Weir messed up, but his signings we're on signing seen as exciting, young and of a different charchter to the usual journeyman signing.
 
TomJonesBlade said:
And he may well have been given another crack at the whip if he hadn't proven himself untrustworthy with the purse strings, provided a lot of dull football and fallen out with the board. He who signed Higdon is not the messiah.

Question: Besides most of the cup games, how many league games were genuinely enjoyable? I don't recall many. I remember beating Fleetwood 3-0 and being bored out of my tree.

Most of this lot have proved that they're not up to the mighty task of League 1 football. For that I don't blame Nige 2. Let's see what a Nige 2 team really looks like before passing full judgement.
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More games were more enjoyable than under Adkins. Maybe because we were competing for promotion, rather than dieing of insignificance.
Higdon failed, correct, but you could swap the name in that sentence to Hammond, Edgar, Woolford, Sammon, and if we are bringing purse strings into it, you might question Sharp on a value for money basis.

I can only go on what I see and feel. I had a season ticket for 35 years before dropping it (for various reasons) in 2010. At the end of cloughs full season, I umm'd and arrgh'd and worked out with membership and picking up the odd freebie i'd be better off not buying one.
Now buying a season ticket is off the radar and i look for excuses not to go to the match again.
 
Gin&Juice said:
What would achieve to sack him? We've got someone in with a track record, Adkins isn't a mug he knows the squad are shit, i'm very much inclined to believe that he has the forward thinking nouce to modernise the way we play etc. that we all crave. Lets be right, this isn't all his fault, he's the easy option to blame. For the last 10 years we've been a top draw for mercinaries and adequate players. The wages we offer are stupid, the players we target even more pathetic even before Woolford et.al. The real downward spiral was Adams sacking off Bartley and Leon Britton and replacing them with Collins and Doyle. It's paved the way for the model of signing. The last two managers in my opinion who tried to inject youth or decent playing staff were Speed & Weir. Weir messed up, but his signings we're on signing seen as exciting, young and of a different charchter to the usual journeyman signing.
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This is precisely the reason for our decline. Journeymen on big wages with questionable fitness records and character. Impossible to shift even on free transfers.
 
Gin&Juice said:
What would achieve to sack him? We've got someone in with a track record, Adkins isn't a mug he knows the squad are shit, i'm very much inclined to believe that he has the forward thinking nouce to modernise the way we play etc. that we all crave. Lets be right, this isn't all his fault, he's the easy option to blame. For the last 10 years we've been a top draw for mercinaries and adequate players. The wages we offer are stupid, the players we target even more pathetic even before Woolford et.al. The real downward spiral was Adams sacking off Bartley and Leon Britton and replacing them with Collins and Doyle. It's paved the way for the model of signing. The last two managers in my opinion who tried to inject youth or decent playing staff were Speed & Weir. Weir messed up, but his signings we're on signing seen as exciting, young and of a different charchter to the usual journeyman signing.
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Kyle Bartley was recalled. Britton asked to leave because he couldn't settle.
 
nowtfancy said:
I can only go on what I see and feel. I had a season ticket for 35 years before dropping it (for various reasons) in 2010
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OK, I'll have a go at this one.
1. You had too much to drink on New Year's Eve 2009 and couldn't focus properly the next day?
2. You lost most of your strength in a freak temporary viral infection rendering the season ticket too heavy?
3. Someone smeared it in olive oil while you weren't looking?
 
GreasyChipBeattie said:
Burton's last 10 games: Won 4, Drawn 2, Lost 4.
Over a season, that would equate to about 64 points.
Not even enough for the play-offs.
Just saying like.
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However. All Burton's League games under Clough: Won 8, Drawn 3, Lost 4. Pts 27.
That would equate to 83 points.
Easily good enough for the play-offs.
Or should we exclude some of the games he won to make it sound like he's doing worse than he actually is?
 
Sothall_Blade said:
However. All Burton's League games under Clough: Won 8, Drawn 3, Lost 4. Pts 27.
That would equate to 83 points.
Easily good enough for the play-offs.
Or should we exclude some of the games he won to make it sound like he's doing worse than he actually is?
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So he takes a team riding high at the top and turns them into play-off contenders.
Not the strongest argument you've ever put forward SB :)
 



Burton are very lucky Gillingham and Walsall have hit a brick wall at the same time.
 
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