Dane Whitehouse speaks for us all..

[1danewhitehouse]

For me the biggest thing with that quote is when he says "... or didn't put the effort in like these do there would be fist flying at half time with each other", i.e. people would be angry and upset for players letting the rest of the team down and ruining what they're collectively trying to achieve. I can't see that happening now.

Looking at today's line up, player for player, I think most of them do actually try pretty hard normally, but there's an extra, vital, 5-10% to be gained by being a real team, fighting for each other, not just 11 individuals put together. For a while Adkins even selected his team just by looking at who was biggest, strongest and toughest, but it didn't work long term, partly because you need more than that and partly because you need a strong team morale, not just 11 guys with a decent set of competetive attributes.

Very much agree with this. It’s oversimplifying to say that they just don’t try but there is definitely that edge missing to our game that we saw under Bassett and Warnock when we had real team spirit. Team spirit is definitely lacking in this side. I suspect there are cliques within the group and probably half the team don't like or respect the others.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Someone should be scouring Twitter for an alternative view. I'm sure Lee Hendrie would claim Blades fans were a bunch of *****

Look no further than Nathan Blake for that.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Probably because he realized that he'd be rubbish at it. A good hard working dedicated footballer does not necessarily equal a good coach.

He was promised a job for life by united but when he wanted to give coaching a bash (when Warnock was manager) all we offered him was the odd evening session coaching kids paying something like £25 a session. He said he couldn’t afford to live on what they were offering so he looked for other work.

 

[Revolution]

since we sold Deano, anyone who gets a few goals has been sold off in one or two seasons.

It's one of the many reasons that we have consistently underachieved.

Oh, and here is a list of strikers who came through the youth team and have scored double figure league goals for us since we sold Keith Edwards 30 years ago:

Tony Philliskirk, who got 10 in his last 2 seasons combined
Billy Sharp (who only did it in his third spell)

 

[Darren]

Some semi-pros' also get paid in this country.

A "professional footballer" is someone who has a full time paid job as a footballer. A semi pro is someone who has a part time paid job as a footballer. Whether they are playing in the first, second or third team is irrelevant to their pro or semi pro status.

So there.

 

[Bert]

He was promised a job for life by united but when he wanted to give coaching a bash (when Warnock was manager) all we offered him was the odd evening session coaching kids paying something like £25 a session. He said he couldn’t afford to live on what they were offering so he looked for other work.

It is very hard to believe that they offered him a job for the rest of his life.
So why didn't he start coaching in the evenings whilst working full time somewhere else? What was he expecting?

 

[bornablade]

It is very hard to believe that they offered him a job for the rest of his life.
So why didn't he start coaching in the evenings whilst working full time somewhere else? What was he expecting?

Hang on, is that Bert asking that question?

 

[Bert]

Hang on, is that Bert asking that question?

No it was Bert's finger who typed it on Bert's phone.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It is very hard to believe that they offered him a job for the rest of his life.
So why didn't he start coaching in the evenings whilst working full time somewhere else? What was he expecting?

Can't remember the exact terms. It might not have been evenings, it might have been a couple of afternoons or something like that. I think he was a bit insulted by it from reading his account. Warnock tried to convince him to take it but I think he got an offer of a delivery job which was financially better for him before setting up on his own.

 

[mattbianco1]

You've also missed Nathan Blake, who from memory has 34 league goals in 69 games, and one in the league cup.

Pre-1997 mate.

 

[mattbianco1]

A "professional footballer" is someone who has a full time paid job as a footballer. A semi pro is someone who has a part time paid job as a footballer. Whether they are playing in the first, second or third team is irrelevant to their pro or semi pro status.

So there.

But we're not talking professional "players", we're talking goals in professional first team games. I saw Harry Maguire playing football at goals once. Those goals don't count either.

 

[wizadry]

A "professional footballer" is someone who has a full time paid job as a footballer. A semi pro is someone who has a part time paid job as a footballer. Whether they are playing in the first, second or third team is irrelevant to their pro or semi pro status.

So there.

In your previous post you seemed to be implying that because they got paid they had to be professional footballers, I was just responding to how that sounded.

So there

 

[1danewhitehouse]

But we're not talking professional "players", we're talking goals in professional first team games. I saw Harry Maguire playing football at goals once. Those goals don't count either.

Christian Nade would be one of the most prolific strikers of all time if you count his Pitz goals to games ratio.

 

[Darren]

But we're not talking professional "players", we're talking goals in professional first team games. I saw Harry Maguire playing football at goals once. Those goals don't count either.

Sheffield United are a professional football club. Hence any games played by Sheffield United are, by definition, professional football games....

 

[mattbianco1]

Sheffield United are a professional football club. Hence any games played by Sheffield United are, by definition, professional football games....

No they're not (I could just leave it there as you are entirely wrong). But...

The Sheff Utd reserve teams or U/21 and U/18 teams under their current names ply their trade in the 'Professional Development League'. This is it's own league system and is NOT a professional league.
It is predominantly made up of Youth team players. However, first team backups and players coming back from injury also feature. For example Diego De Girolamo and Terry Kennedy are classed as professional footballers because they have signed professional contracts, but they rarely feature in the Professional Football League games. Most of their games are in the Under 21 Development League.

Professional footballs can play in the development league but the league isn't a professional league system.

 

[Darren]

No they're not (I could just leave it there as you are entirely wrong). But...

The Sheff Utd reserve teams or U/21 and U/18 teams under their current names ply their trade in the 'Professional Development League'. This is it's own league system and is NOT a professional league.
It is predominantly made up of Youth team players. However, first team backups and players coming back from injury also feature. For example Diego De Girolamo and Terry Kennedy are classed as professional footballers because they have signed professional contracts, but they rarely feature in the Professional Football League games. Most of their games are in the Under 21 Development League.

Professional footballs can play in the development league but the league isn't a professional league system.

So the "Professional Development League" is not a professional league. Hmmm.

 

[shorehamview]

Apparently we don't want skill, just s bunch of cloggers who give 110%. Apparently that kind of football is what makes Sheff Utd special.

Maybe the Bassett/ Warnock up and at em give 100% is the United way that fans demand. A skillfil passing style would be booed at the Lane with comments like boot it up and gerrit in box.

I can't recall anyone saying we don't want skill. What people are saying is that they'd like to see a team with some pride and passion, a team that would willingly give their all for each other, their manager and their fans, like the Bassett and Warnock eras. What they're saying is we haven't got that, and to put words in your mouth in the same way you've done to others, you can't honestly tell me that you believe this team is so skillful it makes up for their lack of passion, pride, and indeed anything else that makes a collection of 11 players into a cohesive team.

 

[mattbianco1]

So the "Professional Development League" is not a professional league. Hmmm.

No. It is a development league which sits below the professional league.

Are you actually being serious?

Show me where the Development League is here - http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/

 

[Darren]

No. It is a development league which sits below the professional league.

Are you actually being serious?

Show me where the Development League is here - http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/

It's a league that develops professionals - hence the people who play in it are professionals being developed.

You seem to have a slightly idyiosyncratic definition of "professional". All that "professional" means is that you do something for a living - i.e. you are paid for the activity in question. All SUFC's players play football for a living, hence all the leagues in which their teams play are professional leagues.

You can say that the PDL is not a first class league, or not a first team league, but it clearly is a professional league in that professional players from professional clubs play in it.

In any event (going back to the original point) Sharp played in and scored goals in the old Central (Pontins) League. That was a reserve team league (none of this development nonsense) was clearly a professional league - hence Sharp has scored non first team but still professional goals!!!

 

[JJ Sefton]

It's a league that develops professionals - hence the people who play in it are professionals being developed.

When I was studying economics I was not a professional economist but was studying to be one. When I got a job as an economist, I stopped being a student and became a professional economist.

 

[JJ Sefton]

It tells you how bad things are at our football club when ex players and professionals are questioning what is happening down at the lane.

From what I have read or spoken about that's:

Dane Whitehouse
Kevin Gage
Brian Deane

Terrible, terrible times.

I was at the 1990 reunion dinner and not one of the blokes I spoke to had anything good to say about this shower of shit playing for us now. Mark Todd was scathing, but then he was pissed.

 

[Darren]

When I was studying economics I was not a professional economist but was studying to be one. When I got a job as an economist, I stopped being a student and became a professional economist.

Ah, but you weren't being paid for studying economics In fact you were paying to study.. The players who play in the U21 team are paid for playing football.

 

[mattbianco1]

It's a league that develops professionals - hence the people who play in it are professionals being developed.

You seem to have a slightly idyiosyncratic definition of "professional". All that "professional" means is that you do something for a living - i.e. you are paid for the activity in question. All SUFC's players play football for a living, hence all the leagues in which their teams play are professional leagues.

You can say that the PDL is not a first class league, or not a first team league, but it clearly is a professional league in that professional players from professional clubs play in it.

In any event (going back to the original point) Sharp played in and scored goals in the old Central (Pontins) League. That was a reserve team league (none of this development nonsense) was clearly a professional league - hence Sharp has scored non first team but still professional goals!!!

You are 100% wrong. The pontins league wasn't and the development league as its now known are NOT professional football leagues.

That is it full stop.

 

[mattbianco1]

Ah, but you weren't being paid for studying economics In fact you were paying to study.. The players who play in the U21 team are paid for playing football.

I know players that got paid in the North East Counties league. That's not a professional league.

 

[Darren]

You are 100% wrong. The pontins league wasn't and the development league as its now known are NOT professional football leagues.

That is it full stop.

And you are 100% wrong as well

The distinction is between levels of leagues in which professional teams play, first team, reserve, youth, development or whatever; but they are leagues competed in by professionals.

END OFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Darren]

I know players that got paid in the North East Counties league. That's not a professional league.

That's a semi pro league because football is not the main nor sole paid occupation of the players.

I addressed this point above.

 

[Bert]

When I was studying economics I was not a professional economist but was studying to be one. When I got a job as an economist, I stopped being a student and became a professional economist.

What took you so long Walthy? This pointless argument kicked off at least three hours ago.

 

[JJ Sefton]

What took you so long Walthy? This pointless argument kicked off at least three hours ago.

I was dogging.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

I was dogging.

Professionally?

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

boo radley

Still NO appearance....

or have I missed?