PRIDE, PASSION, DESIRE, FIGHT.........or adkins

[I should coco]

TWDILM (The Worst Display In Living Memory) last Tuesday

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

 

[grafikhaus]

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

That's true and I try to avoid hyperbole or you end up sounding like 'Brian the Blade'. It's not just that the result and 95-minute performance last Tuesday, it was the latest and most predictable humiliation in a season full of toss. To vaguely threaten an attack (i.e. move in the general direction of the Burton area) for the first time on 80-odd minutes suggest that other oft-quoted saying 'We wouldn't have scored if we'd played until midnight'. We wouldn't. Everything about the Burton game was clueless and spineless. I was at the matches v Walsall and Hartlepool (I can't remember if I was at the Port Vale game, but doubt it - it was a 90,000 sell-out, wasn't it?) and, as poor as they were I don't recall such abject surrender. We lost the Hartlepool game 2-3 and also scored in the infamous Walsall game. As I've said, we didn't have a shot v Burton.

Oh, and I'm 60. Cheeky!

 

[blade.i.am]

That's true and I try to avoid hyperbole or you end up sounding like 'Brian the Blade'. It's not just that the result and 95-minute performance last Tuesday, it was the latest and most predictable humiliation in a season full of toss. To vaguely threaten an attack (i.e. move in the general direction of the Burton area) for the first time on 80-odd minutes suggest that other oft-quoted saying 'We wouldn't have scored if we'd played until midnight'. We wouldn't. Everything about the Burton game was clueless and spineless. I was at the matches v Walsall and Hartlepool (I can't remember if I was at the Port Vale game, but doubt it - it was a 90,000 sell-out, wasn't it?) and, as poor as they were I don't recall such abject surrender. We lost the Hartlepool game 2-3 and also scored in the infamous Walsall game. As I've said, we didn't have a shot v Burton.

Oh, and I'm 60. Cheeky!

I think isc is referring to the 1-0 defeat to Hartlepool in the jpt that ended Weir's brief reign. The 3-2 was under Wilson when we were, briefly, top of the table. Personally, I would vote for 1-0 defeat to Gillingham in our relegation to div 4 season; dire.

 

[grafikhaus]

I think isc is referring to the 1-0 defeat to Hartlepool in the jpt that ended Weir's brief reign. The 3-2 was under Wilson when we were, briefly, top of the table. Personally, I would vote for 1-0 defeat to Gillingham in our relegation to div 4 season; dire.

So many shit results, so little time.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Did you ever meet him? I wouldn't say 'quietly'! Agree with your sentiment though.

Dooley was of his age but did a job in the 80s/90s. We need a proper football business director who knows the game inside out.

We DON'T need figurehead DOF to do interviews and blindside the manager. We need someone who won't pay Coutts £14k per week etc and who knows how to work with/around agents. The most important thing is they have a good relationship with McCabe/The Prince and their 100% trust. That way they can get on with doing a job on the day to day and make up for the current power vacuum.

ISC

Many times. What I meant was in the job. I've said before his great strength was that he understood his weaknesses in the position. Bluff but quite astute. He retired because he knew the business side of the game was passing him by and it was time to go.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

Not even the worst this season. Bury away.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

Due to its ramifications that was probably one of the worse results in our history, if not the worst, but I think the performance that was acknowledged as the worst of that p1ss poor season was the 4-0 defeat at Newport.

As for those rewriting the club's history re: Warnock, if we'd have sacked Colin straight after promotion and put in someone who knew what they were doing in the Prem we'd have done a Stoke and still been there now. Instead we stuck with someone who has proven over and over again that he is out of his depth in the top tier (100% record of relegation). Players such as Claude Davis, Liegertwood, Sommeil, Kilgallon, Nade, Sak, Stead, Fathi where never going to keep us in the Prem. He should have gone for 1 or 2 with proven Prem quality (Butt, Murphy, Warnock for example) rather than a collection of punts and misfits that might have worked in the Championship. That said he'd do all right for us in our current plight, he's not known as third rate Colin for nowt

 

[CarlMcBlade]

When this wretched season is over and our incumbent manager has swung the axe and rid us of this awful bunch of slackers. How many fans are going to be confident he is going to re-populate the squad with players who can achieve the "holy grail" of promotion next season. I would estimate its probably about 50/50 amongst the fans to whether Adkins should stay or go. But the pro Adkins lobby are basing their support of the beleaguered manager around the fact this season is a transitional period of "rebuilding" another managers squad.
In reality though Adkins would counter that next season is the real "transition" season and necessary time must be afforded to him to completely rebuild a new squad.
I like many feel Adkins and his coaching staff are as culpable as the players for creating this current state of limbo that the club finds itself in. I personally feel the club needs to look elsewhere to find the inspiration for next season.

 

[Bladesince59]

When this wretched season is over and our incumbent manager has swung the axe and rid us of this awful bunch of slackers. How many fans are going to be confident he is going to re-populate the squad with players who can achieve the "holy grail" of promotion next season. I would estimate its probably about 50/50 amongst the fans to whether Adkins should stay or go. But the pro Adkins lobby are basing their support of the beleaguered manager around the fact this season is a transitional period of "rebuilding" another managers squad.
In reality though Adkins would counter that next season is the real "transition" season and necessary time must be afforded to him to completely rebuild a new squad.
I like many feel Adkins and his coaching staff are as culpable as the players for creating this current state of limbo that the club finds itself in. I personally feel the club needs to look elsewhere to find the inspiration for next season.

He has been a MASSIVE disappointment. He should have known before he even came what we lacked, He still doesn't know but continues to mannoevre deckchairs.

My greatest concern however, is that I can't identify one single element that he has improved in 35 games

Perhaps one of his supporters could enlighten me.

 

[wizadry]

He has been a MASSIVE disappointment. He should have known before he even came what we lacked, He still doesn't know but continues to mannoevre deckchairs.

My greatest concern however, is that I can't identify one single element that he has improved in 35 games

Perhaps one of his supporters could enlighten me.

To be fair, Bill, even his supporters like myself couldn't give you much hope at the minute but we have to look long term, something that we're not very good at and do what's best for the club. If we get rid now we will be setback another couple of seasons and we don't need that, his track record is something that we can go on but he can't live on that forever so another season it should be for me anyway but I do take your concerns.

 

[super_pig]

Adams, K Wallace Baxter

for petulance and diving i think.. noone has got sent off for a bad challenge.. noone has even got booked for a bad challenge

 

[super_pig]

It's true, I remember him commenting in several post-match interviews after a good result that the fans will be chanting "Warnock Out" next week if we lose.

When Warnock was here, people were longing for the days of Bassett. These things never change. It reflects poorly on the attitude of the fans to be honest.

i was longing for the days of Harris

 

[super_pig]

Just out of interest Warnock did pretty much what Clough did. 2 semi finals and a play off failure.

err.. no actually let's dispel this myth .. when Colin was in charge we were in a much more competitive Championship one league up

 

[wizadry]

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

Not even the worst this season. Bury away.

I get what you're saying but I'm 32 and i didn't go to Bury away so on reflection Burton on Tuesday was certainly the worst game I've seen anyway.

 

[PeteBlade]

Dave Bassett? The legend in my lifetime as a blades manager. Did it with nowt and had we not sold Deane we wouldn't have been relegated.

Just out of interest Warnock did pretty much what Clough did. 2 semi finals and a play off failure. Took Warnock several seasons to build that team that got him promoted. I think the clue is in the several seasons bit.

I'll keep saying it. If we get a decent football man on the board like we had with Dooley then we will be better as a club.

Wilson, Clough and Adkins could/will succeed with the right people above them and given some time.

Those who long for the Neil Warnock days forget he was here seven years and we were promoted at the end of that tenure.

They forget he was booed, there were 'Warnock Out' chants and 'The fans want promotion, do the players?' banners held up.

There were times that we finished outside of the top 6 and people were outraged at his post match interviews telling moaning fans to 'get to Meadowhall' on a Saturday and that 'Real Madrid couldn't have broken down that defence today'.

Those same people want to force our own manager out after 8 months.

 

[Tyler Durden]

Those who long for the Neil Warnock days forget he was here seven years and we were promoted at the end of that tenure.

They forget he was booed, there were 'Warnock Out' chants and 'The fans want promotion, do the players?' banners held up.

There were times that we finished outside of the top 6 and people were outraged at his post match interviews telling moaning fans to 'get to Meadowhall' on a Saturday and that 'Real Madrid couldn't have broken down that defence today'.

Those same people want to force our own manager out after 8 months.

This ^^^

 

[wizadry]

for petulance and diving i think.. noone has got sent off for a bad challenge.. noone has even got booked for a bad challenge

McEveley and Hammond have certainly done some reckless tackles this season but that's about it.

 

[super_pig]

McEveley and Hammond have certainly done some reckless tackles this season but that's about it.

yeah but they are through incompetence.. not Roy Keane style taking charge of the game

 

[Cyprus Blade]

'Top 10 worst games'

Wasn't there but I watched it on BP - Yeovil away 2015 has to be in the mix surely.

 

[wizadry]

yeah but they are through incompetence.. not Roy Keane style taking charge of the game

I think Hammond has more of an influence on this side of the game than some of us think, although that's all he does and I'd prefer someone who can do his job better who can also influence the game going forwards.

 

[Finn Keane o' Balmaqueen]

Top Ten...

haven't got the time, there's so many i've come away from and thought, that was bad, really bad.

but that's football. only a select few clubs each season can win their League, the cup(s).

we've had our season's, we'll have more season's too, not sure when, but we will.

when some of the teenagers, twenty-somethings get to my, our, your age, they'll have a list of bad days so long, they'll have assigned them to the forgotten corner.

That's being United, Sheffield.

 

[Bartleby]

Serious question, but how old are you?

I agree it was very poor and it certainly makes my 'Top 10 worst games' but are you seriously saying it was worse than Port Vale under Heath or Walsall under Peters or even Hartlepool under Weir?

It gets my goat when people ring Radio Pig after a loss and say it was the "worst game they've ever seen''. FFS I've seen some shite over the years but you've got to try and keep some perspective.

ISC

It's just the way these young 'uns speak these days, allus exaggerate they do. I "literally die" when I hear it

 

[Bladesince59]

Wasn't there but I watched it on BP - Yeovil away 2015 has to be in the mix surely.

I agree-dreadful. But at least it wasn't raining.

 

[BladeFisher]

When this wretched season is over and our incumbent manager has swung the axe and rid us of this awful bunch of slackers. How many fans are going to be confident he is going to re-populate the squad with players who can achieve the "holy grail" of promotion next season. I would estimate its probably about 50/50 amongst the fans to whether Adkins should stay or go. But the pro Adkins lobby are basing their support of the beleaguered manager around the fact this season is a transitional period of "rebuilding" another managers squad.
In reality though Adkins would counter that next season is the real "transition" season and necessary time must be afforded to him to completely rebuild a new squad.
I like many feel Adkins and his coaching staff are as culpable as the players for creating this current state of limbo that the club finds itself in. I personally feel the club needs to look elsewhere to find the inspiration for next season.

Managing is an awful lot about motivating. I really don't see Adkins as a motivator. That is why (bearing in mind the majority of a team has been in previous seasons in or around the pay offs and cup semi-finals) at this rate we'll be lucky to finish in the top half of the table.

Adkins I think is a technical manager. We need a motivator. Sadly I think we'll stick with him and next season we'll be in about the same place.

For Adkins devotees ask yourself this, has the players brought in except Billy (he has been here before, twice) have they noticeably improved the team. I don't think so.

Remember, the best guide to future performance is past performance and at this club Adkins is struggling.

 

[BladeFisher]

McEveley and Hammond have certainly done some reckless tackles this season but that's about it.

On most peoples wallets I'd say.

 

[PeteBlade]

Managing is an awful lot about motivating. I really don't see Adkins as a motivator. That is why (bearing in mind the majority of a team has been in previous seasons in or around the pay offs and cup semi-finals) at this rate we'll be lucky to finish in the top half of the table.

Adkins I think is a technical manager. We need a motivator. Sadly I think we'll stick with him and next season we'll be in about the same place.

For Adkins devotees ask yourself this, has the players brought in except Billy (he has been here before, twice) have they noticeably improved the team. I don't think so.

Remember, the best guide to future performance is past performance and at this club Adkins is struggling.

So, look at the players he's brought in, except the one who has improved us, ignore him, because he doesn't suit the point being made?

 

[Sean Thornton]

for petulance and diving i think.. noone has got sent off for a bad challenge.. noone has even got booked for a bad challenge

I don't believe we want anyone sent off for obvious reasons. Fight and passion doesn't necessarily have to result in dismissals either.

I'm sure some challenges have been bad enough to earn bookings.

In any event the comment that no one had been sent off was wrong.

 

[Esablade]

When this wretched season is over and our incumbent manager has swung the axe and rid us of this awful bunch of slackers. How many fans are going to be confident he is going to re-populate the squad with players who can achieve the "holy grail" of promotion next season. I would estimate its probably about 50/50 amongst the fans to whether Adkins should stay or go. But the pro Adkins lobby are basing their support of the beleaguered manager around the fact this season is a transitional period of "rebuilding" another managers squad.
In reality though Adkins would counter that next season is the real "transition" season and necessary time must be afforded to him to completely rebuild a new squad.
I like many feel Adkins and his coaching staff are as culpable as the players for creating this current state of limbo that the club finds itself in. I personally feel the club needs to look elsewhere to find the inspiration for next season.

Good post with some valid points.

Did you feel the same way about Bassett when he took us down?

I do see some similarities between the two, positive managers, not a pot to piss in, though Bassett was able to actually sell some players because other clubs were willing to pay for them...and start to get his own players in.

Warnock took about seven years to get a squad together capable of promotion, whilst at times playing some rubbish, cynical football.

Bad times both.

Adkins has stated that the work for next season is already under way, and while some will rightly question his recruitment policy based on this seasons omnishambles, a new management team coming in would be starting from a disadvantage in many ways...perhaps the biggest of which being not knowing the wiles, ways and workings of our current board.

Often we see the true character of a person in the lowest of times. I think in this respect Adkins has managed well and comes across as being in control, despite some very large problems with club, which he appears to be working through diligently.

Of course, this being football, Adkins/Turnbull, could be adequately backed to assemble their new squad and still fail..However, I do think they deserve a proper go at it though.

Just my two-penneth.

 

[Bartleby]

Managing is an awful lot about motivating. I really don't see Adkins as a motivator. That is why (bearing in mind the majority of a team has been in previous seasons in or around the pay offs and cup semi-finals) at this rate we'll be lucky to finish in the top half of the table.

Adkins I think is a technical manager. We need a motivator. Sadly I think we'll stick with him and next season we'll be in about the same place.

For Adkins devotees ask yourself this, has the players brought in except Billy (he has been here before, twice) have they noticeably improved the team. I don't think so.

Remember, the best guide to future performance is past performance and at this club Adkins is struggling.

When you have a team in which the majority is, by all accounts, in open revolt about Clough going it's beyond being just a motivational thing.

 

[BladeFisher]

So, look at the players he's brought in, except the one who has improved us, ignore him, because he doesn't suit the point being made?

No ignore him because a) he has been here twice before i.e. we know him and b) Billy is a die hard Blade. Woolford, Sammon, Hammond ain't. There are thus unique circumstances that affect Billy. He also has a decent track record (except arguably at SUFC prior).

If we bought back Maguire and it worked i.e. we stopped conceding soft arse goals essentially the result of piss poor defending by central defenders would that be because of Adkins' managerial genius or the fact that a) we know/knew Maguire could do a job b) he was until recently a product of SUFC.

A bit like Zammora and Zaha returning to their old clubs. Known item, known record.