Burton Analysis

[Sean Thornton]

Really. Really.

I'm baffled.

Baffled? A man of your oft claimed intelligence?

 

[Hague Blade]

Woodwardfan Thank you for picking up on that comment. It caught my eye too.

I'm sure many of us enjoy the Bergen Blade analysis, but the idea we have players who have a problem with running is remarkable. Surely being able to break out above a stroll occasionally is a fundamental requirement... It seems perilously close to saying the issue with our football team is that too many of the players have a problem with playing football.

Seriously, if they can't run, what the hell are they doing in the team?

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Baffled? A man of your oft claimed intelligence?

This seems to be a particular fixation. And again it's bizarre. Are you confusing me with Pinchy?

Anyway...I ask Boo for clarification, he posts something unintelligible, refuses to clarify, and then leaves. Thanks.

I ask you for clarification and I get an Are you kidding followed by a You keep going on about how you're a brainiac, but what I don't get from anyone at any time is clarification.

So, Yes I'm baffled, and will remain baffled till someone somewhere makes a clear point in plain English.

UTMB? I'm not even sure of that any more.

 

[Snowman]

Really can't parse stuff like this. Sorry.

Was he not a friendly lion? He had a mate who was an owl called Sage I believe.

 

[Sean Thornton]

This seems to be a particular fixation. And again it's bizarre. Are you confusing me with Pinchy?

Anyway...I ask Boo for clarification, he posts something unintelligible, refuses to clarify, and then leaves. Thanks.

I ask you for clarification and I get an Are you kidding followed by a You keep going on about how you're a brainiac, but what I don't get from anyone at any time is clarification.

So, Yes I'm baffled, and will remain baffled till someone somewhere makes a clear point in plain English.

UTMB? I'm not even sure of that any more.

There you go again. You can't help yourself.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

There you go again. You can't help yourself.

So: No clarification from Boo and No clarification from you.

 

[Sean Thornton]

So: No clarification from Boo and No clarification from you.

If you can't see the point it's no surprise the weaknesses in Adkins interviews pass you by.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If you can't see the point it's no surprise the weaknesses in Adkins interviews pass you by.

Like I say you have both repeatedly been asked for clarification and both repeatedly failed to give it, preferring some kind of Zen/Yoda: The Answer is Within.

I remain lost. Consider yourself victorious.

 

[Sean Thornton]

Like I say you have both repeatedly been asked for clarification and both repeatedly failed to give it, preferring some kind of Zen/Yoda: The Answer is Within.

I remain lost. Consider yourself victorious.

I'm suggesting you feel you are intellectually superior to other posters and demonstrate this in your own inimitable way. I'm also suggesting that the way you choose to do it makes you come over as a smug twat. The fact that you were unable to even consider that was the point should tell you something. Particularly the fact that your "style" tends to be used to deflect from the shortcomings of your observations on the state of the club at the moment.

 

[northsomersetblade]

I'm suggesting you feel you are intellectually superior to other posters and demonstrate this in your own inimitable way. I'm also suggesting that the way you choose to do it makes you come over as a smug twat. The fact that you were unable to even consider that was the point should tell you something. Particularly the fact that your "style" tends to be used to deflect from the shortcomings of your observations on the state of the club at the moment.

I didn't realise that this was the Old Bailey

I'll get me freakin' wig next time I log on.

 

[BladeFisher]

Based on Bergen's assessment is it not a coaching/ managerial issue rather than a player issue? If Adkins doesn't know how to manage what he's got, why on earth are we still employing him?

 

[Barney]

I'm suggesting you feel you are intellectually superior to other posters and demonstrate this in your own inimitable way. I'm also suggesting that the way you choose to do it makes you come over as a smug twat. The fact that you were unable to even consider that was the point should tell you something. Particularly the fact that your "style" tends to be used to deflect from the shortcomings of your observations on the state of the club at the moment.

That's it. On to WHF's ignore list with the rest of us.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Yes, I also think it was Coutts. Making off the ball runs, getting up and down the pitch, closing down is vital for the role he was given. Coutts kept dropping deep to playmake. After 27 minutes Adkins gave up on him, put him in his favoured role, then subbed him for a youngster after 58 minutes, while also mentioning him post match for his part in us conceding the goal.

Good point but why would Adkins expect/hope that Coutts would suddenly start putting in the extra yards when he has never done it before, in fact as you alluded to above, is seemingly incapable of doing, he can't run very far, he's restricted?

 

[Bergen Blade]

Woodwardfan Thank you for picking up on that comment. It caught my eye too.

I'm sure many of us enjoy the Bergen Blade analysis, but the idea we have players who have a problem with running is remarkable. Surely being able to break out above a stroll occasionally is a fundamental requirement... It seems perilously close to saying the issue with our football team is that too many of the players have a problem with playing football.

Seriously, if they can't run, what the hell are they doing in the team?

"Running" is a bit simplistic, but work rate, stamina, positioning, tenacity, aggression, agility, tackling, defending as a unit, are vital in today's football, and you can't get away with several players being poor in this area. And when our set up leaves us even more vulnerable - 3-5-2 becoming 5-3-2 - it becomes hard. Maybe even three very fit midfielder would haves struggled to cope on Tuesday.

Again, a couple of screen shots, to show the difference in the teams' ability to cover ground. The ball is in the same spot, and in both situations the defending team has plenty of players behind the ball.



And yet, we get surrounded by a swarm of aggressive bees, while they are running into space with only a striker having to chase back to compensate for the non-existing midfield.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Meaning he was happy with our shape and organisation (despite his changes during the game)?

I think the individual failings of players lead to him trying different combinations to nullify them and try to wrestle some control. That might not be necessary if our players were more willing or able to compete physically.

 

[Worksop II]

he can't run very far, he's restricted?

Last Season he seemed to be struggling to get into a full stride

This early Season he did look like he was starting to stretch out, but not gone any further, whether it is the result of injury, treatment, or owd age .........................

 

[Grecian2000]

Can Foxy post the statistics on how many times the IGNORE button came into play during this thread please?

In response to Bergen's initial post I think you missed the point completely.

We set up to play Goalie Wag and Long is the bastard for never taking the ball upfield. Sorted.

 

[mosbolad]

If Barney were to put himself on ignore would it save everyone else the bother?

As always Barney, no offence......

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Totally agree. Having watched a couple of games since Tuesday night, I keep getting recurring nightmares of that first ten minutes when it dawned on me we were playing an ultra defensive 3-5-2 with the wing backs withdrawn deep and Edgar in midfield. Not only that, it was like we were playing a team from Mars who had 10 Ronaldos ready to tear us apart.

Our caution was extreme. Our tempo with the ball was as slow as I can ever remember a home team at Bramall Lane.

Deadbat is right. So many players, a majority in fact, were "going through the motions". Now this can be construed as playing under orders, a tight, cagey game, waiting for the opposition to lose their way and run out of ideas or get overconfident. In fairness Burton did not lose their edge, they continued playing functional, grinding football which got them a goal in the fullness of time and could have got them a couple more. Only briefly in extra time was there a hint of a half chance for us.

Body language, player interactions, emotions, 'being on their toes', tempers, taking exception, fouling, 'running around!', 'ruffling a few feathers', encouraging each other etc. etc. - all things that show a team means to win. I reckon 7 of our players played with no adrenalin last Tuesday.

Look last night how West Ham set about beating Spurs - they ran them off their game, never gave them a minute. Liverpool too, bossed Man City. Everything about their body language showed they cared.

On Tuesday, when Whiteman had been on about ten minutes my wife said " at least that lad looks up for it and look at him clapping and encouraging his team-mates", that was because he was the exception. On Tuesday even Sharp eventually lost that side of his game and is there any wonder when he's playing with so many silent, emotionless, characterless, colourless colleagues. My above nightmare can still see Coutts, Edgar and Cuvelier in that central midfield. At least Done showed some effort but maybe didn't play within the 'plan' but Brayford was a ghost of his true self until he switched to the left and woke up.

We were playing Burton Albion who were top of the league but not on a particularly strong run of form. We handed them a comfortable away win without really 'ruffling their feathers' in any way whatsoever.

Talk sysems and change systems for ever and a day. Any system needs some application and some hard work and passion.

Just re-read your post again which gives a accurate from the heart summary . What it has brought back to me and it's only Friday, and ready to go again tommorow , how poor we were and are . I cannot see us getting a result at Fleetwood . We have a bloody good chance for the play offs ( with all and sundry floundering ) , but I don't think it means anything to this set of players , as the majority are not hurting , have no proffesional pride and ain't that bothered about SUFC.

Should we drop the players concerned and just see the season out . At least then if we lose , we might lose with effort , passion , hard work and some form of application .

UTB

 

[super_pig]

I'm suggesting you feel you are intellectually superior to other posters and demonstrate this in your own inimitable way. I'm also suggesting that the way you choose to do it makes you come over as a smug twat. The fact that you were unable to even consider that was the point should tell you something. Particularly the fact that your "style" tends to be used to deflect from the shortcomings of your observations on the state of the club at the moment.

he's the anti barney.. think positive barney