Time for McCabe to show leadership and banish myths

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if McCabe is getting a lot of stick, much of which is myths, rumours and unjustified, then why doesn't he open his trap and defend himself?

He should and I believe he will.

I'm sorry but I don't believe those figures.

The figures are from McCabe himself. I have no reason to believe he made them up.

So a guess then? Like in the OP?

The point I was making was the wide difference in estimates being made to suit agendas.

Still, absorbtion and all that

My "agenda" is to see our team succeed Raul. If a fellow supporter sinks a large chuck of his family silverware in pursuit of that, he'll have my appreciation even if it doesn't work out.

Billy perhaps (quoted at around £500k) and..?

Brayford £2m (yes too much I agree but unreasonable to blame McCabe); Baxter £350k and then various "undisclosed"

You're deluded .................................... and that's being kind.

To be fair Metal, you've always been kind to me and you may be right. I admit part of my survival guide to supporting The Blades is to remain eternally optimistic that things WILL get better whilst trying to extract as much enjoyment as possible out of the present day. Having said all of that, my numbers are not made up or a best guess.
 

What a load of utter shit.

The fans are hurting and without a clear and coherent message from the club, people will make up their own mind - often based on half-truth, rumour and myth.

So why not come out from under the stone and issue a statement, backed up by facts, to dispel the myth? Your assumptions are on face value, as vague as you assume ours are. Let's hear the fat lady sing, eh?

When things are bad - and let's all be honest, they are dire right now - it's natural to look for someone to blame. Most supporters, for now, seem reluctant to blame Adkins, so the players and the owners get it instead.

Why should we blame Adkins? He's had half a season, his predecessor little more. During that time we have seen several players fuck off for undisclosed sums (unless you know how much?) and nothing to replace them but dross. We are still underpowered in central defence. Is that Adkins fault? Clough's? Who has been at the club throughout this? Oh yeah, shit players and McCabe. Go figure.

McCabe seems to be getting a lot of stick - much of which seems unjustified and based on the aforementioned myths and rumours.

Really? Really? Can I point out our league position seven years ago and our league position, right now. Who do you think we should blame for that decline over a number of years, managers and players? The only consistent feature has been us ... and by us I say that vicariously because the poor bastards who buy season tickets must want some answers ... and McCabe. Where is the myth and rumour surrounding us currently being in such shit state, Boho?

Before any bandwagon aimed at his removal gathers pace, there are a few things we should remember:

Oh, boy ...

- his family have put around £90m to the club in chasing the dream.

What fucking dream? stand on your tiptoes and have a look back at 'the dream' ... our 'dream' and what it looks like. You tell me if that was ninety million well spent. You tell me if despite the unsubstantiated figure you come out with (and I think it's a bit iffy) the abject selling of our best players, year on year has offset somewhat the figure you allude as an investment of game changing proportions. I'll match you, pound for pound. In fact, let's start off with the parachute payments and the Tevez money as a head start on my side, shall we?

- despite rumours to the contrary he continues to invest alongside the Prince (I understand another £8m this season alone)

Show me your references, and your working out. Offset that how much we are set to lose by selling Murphy and shitting up the promotion drive and staying in this division next season. Or are you working off the same set of 'myths'?

- he is first and foremost a supporter, who actually cares about the club (pretty rare nowadays)

Again, I refute that. Yes, we'd like to believe he is a Blade. Sure, he has allegiances. But are we to believe that is simply 'business'? If he were that much of a supporter, why did he fuck up our central defence and sell Maguire? Why take away our best goal threat and attacking menace by flogging Murphy? Why give us 'undisclosed' and fail to replace? Supporter? No. I say, 'stakeholder' and a massive one at that. The material stuff he has cornered is safe as. We are now powerless to remove him and influence him. Phipps draws the fire by his Twitter naiveity, Adkins gets the touchline heartache, the players get booed and feel like cunts. McCabe is sat in Belgium, silent and inert. Don't tell me he supports Sheffield United.

The last two managers (both popular appointments amongst supporters) have been backed financially and given plenty of scope to make their own decisions. The current team cost around £4m in transfer fees and we must have the biggest wage bill after 'parachuting Wigan.'

Again, the figures don't match your rhetoric. This current team 'cost' fuck all and is 'valued' at less than that. If you are saying they cost £4m, where is your working out? Show me their today value on the transfer market and show me who would buy a gak-cranking failure, a shower of centre backs who really should just retire and buy a van, a front line based on a bloke who is Mr Third Division and the rest of the sad, sorry shower of inepts and failueres who make up our playing staff. Don't give me 'cost around'. Show me what they are worth now. That is your measure.

I'm not saying mistakes haven't been made, including by McCabe, but he is not the reason we're under-performing at present. We probably need him more than ever right now.

For what? To deny a proven manger the playing staff resources to get us out of this dismal state? To sit in impotent silence in another country failing to answer his critics directly save by a naïve, crestfallen Yank who has no idea how this big-city club feels looking across at their enemies up in the north of the city brushing their luck against the big time? I say he should fuck off ... but we know he won't being as, blindsided to us, he has stoofed so much Wonga into the investable, non-playing, lucrative, non-footballing side of SUFC, we'd need a tactical nuclear device to dislodge the twat. He has done us all ... the club, the footballers and the supporters and now we are slowly stagnating as a footballing entity, whilst his real estate portfolio gathers momentum. All he has to do is flog the odd bit of talent to maintain the football club and pretend he's behind the club until the season ticket deadline is over, and its ker-fucking-ching, another year sweeps by where he wont have to augment the playing staff in another higher division and his value of the assets increases.

If you are speaking up for the bellend, good luck. I don't share your blindness, forgiveness and optimism. McCabe has presided over a long period of more downs than ups and we are now heading one way with now method to arrest it. You stand accountable for that by your acceptance of his horseshit policy.

pommpey
 
A lot to get your teeth into there....I'm struggling with this one firstly..



Billy perhaps (quoted at around £500k) and..?

For Pompey too, though it's probably a waste of time of course.

The following are mostly guesses!! off the top of my head.. Brayford £1.75m, Done £ 700k, Coutts say £250k, Sharp £500k, Adams £200k, McNulty £300k, Scougall £300k, Wallace J. £250k, Flynn £300k, Cuvelier £400k, Baxter £400k. Total £5.3m
 
For Pompey too, though it's probably a waste of time of course.

The following are mostly guesses!! off the top of my head.. Brayford £1.75m, Done £ 700k, Coutts say £250k, Sharp £500k, Adams £200k, McNulty £300k, Scougall £300k, Wallace J. £250k, Flynn £300k, Cuvelier £400k, Baxter £400k. Total £5.3m

Yeah, sorry..I was thinking of Adkins spend this year!
Realised he meant the last few years too late to edit...

p.S- that goes for you too The Bohemian
 
What a load of utter shit.



So why not come out from under the stone and issue a statement, backed up by facts, to dispel the myth? Your assumptions are on face value, as vague as you assume ours are. Let's hear the fat lady sing, eh?



Why should we blame Adkins? He's had half a season, his predecessor little more. During that time we have seen several players fuck off for undisclosed sums (unless you know how much?) and nothing to replace them but dross. We are still underpowered in central defence. Is that Adkins fault? Clough's? Who has been at the club throughout this? Oh yeah, shit players and McCabe. Go figure.



Really? Really? Can I point out our league position seven years ago and our league position, right now. Who do you think we should blame for that decline over a number of years, managers and players? The only consistent feature has been us ... and by us I say that vicariously because the poor bastards who buy season tickets must want some answers ... and McCabe. Where is the myth and rumour surrounding us currently being in such shit state, Boho?



Oh, boy ...



What fucking dream? stand on your tiptoes and have a look back at 'the dream' ... our 'dream' and what it looks like. You tell me if that was ninety million well spent. You tell me if despite the unsubstantiated figure you come out with (and I think it's a bit iffy) the abject selling of our best players, year on year has offset somewhat the figure you allude as an investment of game changing proportions. I'll match you, pound for pound. In fact, let's start off with the parachute payments and the Tevez money as a head start on my side, shall we?



Show me your references, and your working out. Offset that how much we are set to lose by selling Murphy and shitting up the promotion drive and staying in this division next season. Or are you working off the same set of 'myths'?



Again, I refute that. Yes, we'd like to believe he is a Blade. Sure, he has allegiances. But are we to believe that is simply 'business'? If he were that much of a supporter, why did he fuck up our central defence and sell Maguire? Why take away our best goal threat and attacking menace by flogging Murphy? Why give us 'undisclosed' and fail to replace? Supporter? No. I say, 'stakeholder' and a massive one at that. The material stuff he has cornered is safe as. We are now powerless to remove him and influence him. Phipps draws the fire by his Twitter naiveity, Adkins gets the touchline heartache, the players get booed and feel like cunts. McCabe is sat in Belgium, silent and inert. Don't tell me he supports Sheffield United.



Again, the figures don't match your rhetoric. This current team 'cost' fuck all and is 'valued' at less than that. If you are saying they cost £4m, where is your working out? Show me their today value on the transfer market and show me who would buy a gak-cranking failure, a shower of centre backs who really should just retire and buy a van, a front line based on a bloke who is Mr Third Division and the rest of the sad, sorry shower of inepts and failueres who make up our playing staff. Don't give me 'cost around'. Show me what they are worth now. That is your measure.



For what? To deny a proven manger the playing staff resources to get us out of this dismal state? To sit in impotent silence in another country failing to answer his critics directly save by a naïve, crestfallen Yank who has no idea how this big-city club feels looking across at their enemies up in the north of the city brushing their luck against the big time? I say he should fuck off ... but we know he won't being as, blindsided to us, he has stoofed so much Wonga into the investable, non-playing, lucrative, non-footballing side of SUFC, we'd need a tactical nuclear device to dislodge the twat. He has done us all ... the club, the footballers and the supporters and now we are slowly stagnating as a footballing entity, whilst his real estate portfolio gathers momentum. All he has to do is flog the odd bit of talent to maintain the football club and pretend he's behind the club until the season ticket deadline is over, and its ker-fucking-ching, another year sweeps by where he wont have to augment the playing staff in another higher division and his value of the assets increases.

If you are speaking up for the bellend, good luck. I don't share your blindness, forgiveness and optimism. McCabe has presided over a long period of more downs than ups and we are now heading one way with now method to arrest it. You stand accountable for that by your acceptance of his horseshit policy.

pommpey


For the sake of balance, Bohemian's post reflects a genuine view and that is everyone's right on here. It is not "a load of utter shit", McCabe is 100% a Blades fan, the squad cost more than £4m ( see above) and for the record I disagree with over 90% of your own post. Let's beg to differ and move on. Speaking in aggressive hyperbole does not help any debate.
 
There's no doubting we have a comparatively expensively assembled squad...which mainly goes back to blaming Clough, which mainly goes back to the board sanctioning all those players in the first place...'mistakes'

Poor ol' Adkins left without a pot..for now...
 
For the sake of balance, Bohemian's post reflects a genuine view and that is everyone's right on here. It is not "a load of shit", McCabe is 100% a Blades fan, the squad cost more than £4m ( see above) and for the record I disagree with over 90% of your own post. Let's beg to differ and move on. Speaking in aggressive hyperbole does not help any debate.

Again, your affirmation that the squad cost £4m has no foundation. Sure, if you tot up the cost of players you might get a 'total'.

But what is their net value now? Now we are languishing, mid-table in the third division ... beaten consistently by players in teams which cost a fraction of that '£4m' you assure?

And can you honestly say someone is '100% Blades' if he consistently flogs our best players and watches up slump to a heatbreaking low? What have you got to say in his defence regarding 'Game Changing Investments'?

Aggressive hyperbole is not what I deal in. I point directly at our league position and our paltry talent level and depleted morale and say 'justify that'. It is you who is consistently bigging up this failure of a man without a shred of evidence to support your crap.

pommpey
 
For Pompey too, though it's probably a waste of time of course.

The following are mostly guesses!! off the top of my head.. Brayford £1.75m, Done £ 700k, Coutts say £250k, Sharp £500k, Adams £200k, McNulty £300k, Scougall £300k, Wallace J. £250k, Flynn £300k, Cuvelier £400k, Baxter £400k. Total £5.3m

And you are absolutely sure they are worth that now?

What planet are you on?

Businesses buy investments and build on that with clever manoeuvring within their market to increase their stock value based on success and increased revenue. Square that with being beaten 0-1 at fucking Bury, why don't you? You are clearly deluded.

pommpey
 
And you are absolutely sure they are worth that now?

What planet are you on?

Businesses buy investments and build on that with clever manoeuvring within their market to increase their stock value based on success and increased revenue. Square that with being beaten 0-1 at fucking Bury, why don't you? You are clearly deluded.

pommpey


Pommpey. Please note that the point made in the OP and by myself subsequently was about the cost of the players in transfer fees. Have a look, it's there in print. Nobody said anything whatsoever about present day values, apart from you.

Please confirm you understand that much.
 
This week alone, reports of The Families' losses have climbed from £50 to £90m. Isn't it time we had a Blue Peter Appeal style Loss-o-meter somewhere so we can see who gets to the £100m mark first?
Just gone past it mate in the last hour. Climbing steadily. We will have the buckets out soon
 
Why should we blame Adkins? He's had half a season, his predecessor little more. During that time we have seen several players fuck off for undisclosed sums (unless you know how much?) and nothing to replace them but dross. We are still underpowered in central defence. Is that Adkins fault? Clough's? Who has been at the club throughout this? Oh yeah, shit players and McCabe. Go figure.

Broadly agree here and I'm not suggesting anyone has to be "blamed." Do you really believe McCabe insisted on the Maguire or Murphy sale?

Really? Really? Can I point out our league position seven years ago and our league position, right now. Who do you think we should blame for that decline over a number of years, managers and players? The only consistent feature has been us ... and by us I say that vicariously because the poor bastards who buy season tickets must want some answers ... and McCabe. Where is the myth and rumour surrounding us currently being in such shit state, Boho?

He's certainly made decisions that have contributed to our decline, as he made decisions that led to our promotion to the Premier League. It could be argued he's also been on the wrong end of some factors beyond his control that have royally screwed us.

You tell me if that was ninety million well spent.

No.

You tell me if despite the unsubstantiated figure you come out with (and I think it's a bit iffy) the abject selling of our best players, year on year has offset somewhat the figure you allude as an investment of game changing proportions. I'll match you, pound for pound. In fact, let's start off with the parachute payments and the Tevez money as a head start on my side, shall we?

I believe £90m is a net figure. This is a figure quoted by McCabe. Of course it's your right to disbelieve it.

Again, the figures don't match your rhetoric. This current team 'cost' fuck all

Just plain wrong.

For what? To deny a proven manger the playing staff resources to get us out of this dismal state?

he has stoofed so much Wonga into the investable, non-playing, lucrative, non-footballing side of SUFC, we'd need a tactical nuclear device to dislodge the twat. He has done us all ... the club, the footballers and the supporters and now we are slowly stagnating as a footballing entity, whilst his real estate portfolio gathers momentum. All he has to do is flog the odd bit of talent to maintain the football club and pretend he's behind the club until the season ticket deadline is over, and its ker-fucking-ching, another year sweeps by where he wont have to augment the playing staff in another higher division and his value of the assets increases.

To quote your good self: "what a load of utter shit." However much you wish to believe it Pommpey, McCabe's involvement with The Blades has cost him dearly. The suggestion that he has in any way gained financially from his association is, frankly, ludicrous. He stepped into the breach when we were in dire straits as a result of McDonald and his cronies working us over, by which time he'd already built a property empire. He was a willing benefactor prior to becoming chairman and has burnt a fortune since.

McCabe is sat in Belgium, silent and inert.

He's dyed in the wool Pommpey and rarely misses games other than when he's away on business. He was brought up on Sheffield United and Yorkshire Cricket. I really don't get the Belgium angle used to slate him. Doesn't this just mean he has a longer commute to games, i.e. even further than Portsmouth?

This in itself doesn't make him the best person to run a football club, neither does making a fortune in property. His Achilles Heel has been a lack of real footballing nous on the board.

If you want to kick the guy for trying, again that's your prerogative. Maybe I'm more forgiving because I've tried and failed on occasions.
 
I understand why Kevin McCabe took a communication backseat since Jim Phipps assumed the role of fronting the club. For whatever reason Jim has gone quiet just when leadership is most needed and McCabe needs to fill the void.

The fans are hurting and without a clear and coherent message from the club, people will make up their own mind - often based on half-truth, rumour and myth.

When things are bad - and let's all be honest, they are dire right now - it's natural to look for someone to blame. Most supporters, for now, seem reluctant to blame Adkins, so the players and the owners get it instead.

McCabe seems to be getting a lot of stick - much of which seems unjustified and based on the aforementioned myths and rumours. Before any bandwagon aimed at his removal gathers pace, there are a few things we should remember:

- his family have put around £90m to the club in chasing the dream.
- despite rumours to the contrary he continues to invest alongside the Prince (I understand another £8m this season alone)
- he is first and foremost a supporter, who actually cares about the club (pretty rare nowadays)

The last two managers (both popular appointments amongst supporters) have been backed financially and given plenty of scope to make their own decisions. The current team cost around £4m in transfer fees and we must have the biggest wage bill after 'parachuting Wigan.'

I'm not saying mistakes haven't been made, including by McCabe, but he is not the reason we're under-performing at present. We probably need him more than ever right now.
That all said, the past few years have been a total failure. Who is accountable?
 
Pommpey. Please note that the point made in the OP and by myself subsequently was about the cost of the players in transfer fees. Have a look, it's there in print. Nobody said anything whatsoever about present day values, apart from you.

Please confirm you understand that much.

Yes. Please confirm that their current value is the more salient point. That is borne out by the mad rush of transfer offers slung in for the likes of Flynn, Brayford et al - the ones you reckon we should covet so much.

The reason they are practically worthless is that we are being beaten, week in and week out, by teams less 'valuable' than us and lie mid table in the third tier with no chance of promotion whatsoever.

pommpey
 

Yes. Please confirm that their current value is the more salient point. That is borne out by the mad rush of transfer offers slung in for the likes of Flynn, Brayford et al - the ones you reckon we should covet so much.

The reason they are practically worthless is that we are being beaten, week in and week out, by teams less 'valuable' than us and lie mid table in the third tier with no chance of promotion whatsoever.

pommpey

Sorry Pommpey. Please now confirm where you have read anything whatsoever written by me reckoning "we should covet Flynn, Brayford et al."

No, I do not agree that current values are the more salient point relevant to the O.P., but please concentrate on the above statement you made; it's another utter you know what.

It's simply not good enough to rant away with random, unfounded comments quoted as facts. Opinions are different but not simple factual misquotes.
 
I understand why Kevin McCabe took a communication backseat since Jim Phipps assumed the role of fronting the club. For whatever reason Jim has gone quiet just when leadership is most needed and McCabe needs to fill the void.

The fans are hurting and without a clear and coherent message from the club, people will make up their own mind - often based on half-truth, rumour and myth.

When things are bad - and let's all be honest, they are dire right now - it's natural to look for someone to blame. Most supporters, for now, seem reluctant to blame Adkins, so the players and the owners get it instead.

McCabe seems to be getting a lot of stick - much of which seems unjustified and based on the aforementioned myths and rumours. Before any bandwagon aimed at his removal gathers pace, there are a few things we should remember:

- his family have put around £90m to the club in chasing the dream.
- despite rumours to the contrary he continues to invest alongside the Prince (I understand another £8m this season alone)
- he is first and foremost a supporter, who actually cares about the club (pretty rare nowadays)

The last two managers (both popular appointments amongst supporters) have been backed financially and given plenty of scope to make their own decisions. The current team cost around £4m in transfer fees and we must have the biggest wage bill after 'parachuting Wigan.'

I'm not saying mistakes haven't been made, including by McCabe, but he is not the reason we're under-performing at present. We probably need him more than ever right now.
"We probably need him more than ever right now".... bleeding el,that's a serious case of
STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.
 
The fans. What a bunch of ungrateful cunts, eh?

pommpey

Five things that have been annoying me for while, but I let it ride

pommpey with two m's

Your pommpey "signature" at the end of every post

You purport to be in Portsmouth, but know everything about The Blades

Your holier than thou attitude

The fact that as an alleged adult you think that f this and f that is clever

Grow up
 
Five things that have been annoying me for while, but I let it ride

pommpey with two m's

Your pommpey "signature" at the end of every post

You purport to be in Portsmouth, but know everything about The Blades

Your holier than thou attitude

The fact that as an alleged adult you think that f this and f that is clever

Grow up

Well ... here we go.

Fuck you, dad.

Hope you are happy.

pommpey
 
Well ... here we go.

Fuck you, dad.

Hope you are happy.

pommpey

How old are you?

And exactly the reply that I expected. How old do you think that I am? And how's the keyboard holding out

Sorry forgot

Top Cat
 
Sorry Pommpey. Please now confirm where you have read anything whatsoever written by me reckoning "we should covet Flynn, Brayford et al."

You didn't say we should covet the players. Boho said McCabe had spent that much cash on players and we should be grateful. Oh, yeah?

No, I do not agree that current values are the more salient point relevant to the O.P., but please concentrate on the above statement you made; it's another utter you know what.

Why not? Do we not live in the present? If not, why don't we bang on about how much we paid for Beattie or Vinnie Jones?

It's simply not good enough to rant away with random, unfounded comments quoted as facts. Opinions are different but not simple factual misquotes.

So Boho's proclamations are not random and unfounded, quoted as facts? I have asked him to show his working out. Show me exactly how much money has been spent to reinforce his affirmations. He hasn't.

pommpey
 
How old are you?

And exactly the reply that I expected. How old do you think that I am? And how's the keyboard holding out

Sorry forgot

Top Cat

Feller, I am not on this board to take personal critique from you, about my signature or otherwise. Talk about Sheffield United, eh?

Or fuck off.

pommpey
 
you can tell me to leave the board? WOW
Proper big hitter

forgot again

Top Cat
 
you can tell me to leave the board? WOW
Proper big hitter

No. I'm saying 'talk about Sheffield United or fuck off'.

You clearly have knack all to offer in the debate involving Boho's posting. Why have you got sand in your vadge about my sig, my geographic location and my standpoint? Either come up with some shitstopping response about the football club, or go fuck yourself.

If those items have been bothering you ore than say, our capitulation to Bury the other night, then I suggest you go and flog your wand on a Channel 4 messageboard or summat. It's bellend soup on there. You'll love it.

pommpey
 
No. I'm saying 'talk about Sheffield United or fuck off'.

You clearly have knack all to offer in the debate involving Boho's posting. Why have you got sand in your vagde about my sig, my geographic location and my standpoint? Either come up with some shitstopping response about the football club, or go fuck yourself.

If those items have been bothering you ore than say, our capitulation to Bury the other night, then I suggest you go and flog your wand on a Channel 4 messageboard or summat

pommpey


You were at Bury? Or BBC Stats?

Top Cat
 
You were at Bury? Or BBC Stats?

YAY! BIG BLADE ALERT!

The trapdoor opens, and in falls Top Cat.

Look. Do I need to be at Bury to gather that by our dismal performance, this club is in serious guano? Do I?

So what other qualification and quantification do I have to fulfil, to you (whoever you are) to enable a retraction of your snippy shit about my sig, my location or my opinion? This is a forum. people from all over the planet contribute, many don't go to any games ... period. But they still come to the same conclusions. You seems to have taken this to the next level apropos of fuck all because you can't contribute to a debate about McCabe vis a vis his dealings and involvement with the club we both support.

Here's a tip. Stick me on ignore if my presence and contribution gives you the IBS and wind. I will give not one fat fuck, mind.

pommpey (lives 'near' Portsmouth)
 
No..you amuse me, in a slightly annoying way. So how did the Blades play against Bury.
 
Adkins is taking an awful lot of flack - quite possibly justified but it does strike me that it is entirely possible (given how things were the last six months when Clough was here) he has inherited a total crock of shite in terms of toxic changing room attitudes and culture and this may explain some of his decisions/ appointments.

Of course this could all be a blind and could be played to obscure other more deep-rooted mailaises at the club but it feels to have some credibility to me - the player loans etc. I'd also be interested to find out whether the drug test (allegedly) failed by Jose Baxter was an official one after the Bury game or an in-house one. As a club we are disintegrating visibly and degenerating into a joke so I do think the Board needs to set the record straight and be honest for once - if we are potless I'd sooner know it, if there is a cancer in the changing room, Board etc. At least we'd know where we stand.
 

No..you amuse me, in a slightly annoying way. So how did the Blades play against Bury.

You sound stalky, feller. I'd have a word with yourself, if I were you.

United lost to Bury. According to people who went, we were shit. About 700 went, you knw. Lots who post here didn't, including some who post their opinions.

Are you similarly fascinated by them, and their sigs, and their geographical locations?

What is your opinion of Baxter? Were you there when he took some chang?

pommpey
 

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