Will the board hold their nerve?

[nopigfansintown]

I'll give you Warnock and Clough - if his target was to save us from relegation to the fourth. Wilson, Blackwell, Adams and Robson shouldn't have even been under consideration for the job, given their records. I completely accept your point about "mismanagement of managers' tenures". Wilson should have been sacked after losing at Wembley or at the end of the following seasons play off campaign (if we didn't go up). Blackwell should've been sacked after Wembley or the end of the season before he was eventually sacked. Clough should've gone days after the Swindon debacle, rather than months. I haven't really started analysing Adkins tenure due to his terrible inheritance.

 

[pommpey]

No, the point was they appoint reasonably well.

And sack apropos of nothing.

I am still unsure why Wilson was offed. See also Cluff. Pretty obvious ref: Warnock, but a woeful misjudgement nonetheless.

pommpey

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Genuinely enjoyed your post until the 'any fucker will do bit'.

So you'd have another Weir or Adams or Robson or Blackwell or Wilson etc etc etc?

The fact we have gone backwards since 2007 cannot be denied. We have had 11 managers in that time (including Morgan and Carver). Do you think the two may be the teensiest weensiest bit related?

Do you seriously think we can now shake a six and find a 'magic' one?

ISC

I did say I was half-joking. Of course it is vital we get it right (and about time too!). I think I was clumsily trying to make the point that I'm starting to view Adkins as a very average manager.

 

[Barney]

Oh for fuck's sake will you drop the 'I told you so' schtick, eh? If you want me to black cat you, I said we'd be in trouble when we sold Tony fucking Currie. I was about 11 then, so booga-fucking-loo.

Why don't you stop whining about how wronged you feel and start commenting on what is happening down at BDTBL? Or better still, open up a Barney forum. We'd all subscribe and come along. Honest.

Anyone with half a fucking brain (i.e. not the clappers) could see this train smash happening, so you aren't alone in your Mystic Meg horseshit.

pommpey

Have you looked at the bit I quoted? So, what? You've been warning everyone of Adkins being allowed to play with one of the most important rebuilds in this clubs history on the evidence of his piss poor performance to date? And questioning his awful recruitment and how much of an effect it's having on the current campaign? Must have missed that then because I could have guaranteed you were fighting his corner like a little cheerleader the other week demanding nobody lie any blame at his door whatsoever. And I can guarantee, give or take a couple of posters who I know have agreed, I've been more or less on my own in my opinion on that (prior to this week, obviously), so don't try and trick yourself into thinking otherwise.

 

[Barney]

My eagerness in sacking Adkins isn't about saving this season, it is about preventing the disaster that would occur if he were in charge of bringing in a dozen new players!

And it strikes again! Sorry but another example of one of my main points for months and months.

Yes, it's "I told you so", but the abuse it got at the very least warrants it's mention.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

And it strikes again! Sorry but another example of one of my main points for months and months.

Yes, it's "I told you so", but the abuse it got at the very least warrants it's mention.

My issue with you has nothing to do with your (past or present) views of Adkins. Out of respect for the site's owners, I'll leave this conversation there.

 

[chipsncake]

My issue with you has nothing to do with your (past or present) views of Adkins. Out of respect for the site's owners, I'll leave this conversation there.

Like him or loathe him you have to admit that against intense opposition Barney has been one of the very few calling it right for a good while now. Would be quite noble of his detractors to give him the credit he deserves.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Like him or loathe him you have to admit that against intense opposition Barney has been one of the very few calling it right for a good while now. Would be quite noble of his detractors to give him the credit he deserves.

A stopped watch is right twice a day, doesn't mean I'd commend it's timekeeping!

Calling out a manager ain't some Nostrodamus shit. Very few managers see out their contract in this day and age (and those that do are usually snatched by other clubs... and then sacked!!).

Barney doesn't post because he has something constructive to contribute. I doubt he even believes half the shit he posts. Barney is either a troll, or a desperate attention seeker. Barney likes the the topic to be Barney. THAT is my issue with him.

 

[chipsncake]

Ok so Barney's not one of your favourites but he's been bang on the money about where Adkins was taking us, which is something yourself and many others were unable to see.

In your world it's alright to fight Adkins corner at every opportunity but if you are to quite rightly point out his inadequacies then you're either a troll or an attention seeker. Odd that.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Ok so Barney's not one of your favourites but he's been bang on the money about where Adkins was taking us, which is something yourself and many others were unable to see.

In your world it's alright to fight Adkins corner at every opportunity but if you are to quite rightly point out his inadequacies then you're either a troll or an attention seeker. Odd that.

Yeah and it's alright to personally abuse trolls as well.

 

[pommpey]

Have you looked at the bit I quoted? So, what? You've been warning everyone of Adkins being allowed to play with one of the most important rebuilds in this clubs history on the evidence of his piss poor performance to date? And questioning his awful recruitment and how much of an effect it's having on the current campaign? Must have missed that then because I could have guaranteed you were fighting his corner like a little cheerleader the other week demanding nobody lie any blame at his door whatsoever. And I can guarantee, give or take a couple of posters who I know have agreed, I've been more or less on my own in my opinion on that (prior to this week, obviously), so don't try and trick yourself into thinking otherwise.

Let me be clear (and watch my lips spell this out) I am still on Adkins side. The board have sold our talent and our team is a shoddy shadow of anything like what is required to challenge for promotion.

Nowhere in there am I saying 'see ... I told you so and you lot called me names'.

Like you do.

Is that sufficient, both about my standpoint and your ridiculous, self-serving, me-me-me behaviour on here?

pommpey

 

[nopigfansintown]

Barney and co haven't called anything right. I predicted a 5th to 12th position finish and I'm confident Adkins will achieve that. If you expected much better its your expectations that are out of kilter. That's what happens when you continually sell your best players, and mismanage your club.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

In your world it's alright to fight Adkins corner at every opportunity but if you are to quite rightly point out his inadequacies then you're either a troll or an attention seeker. Odd that.

Are you hard of thinking? As above: my problem isn't/wasn't his views on Adkins. It's that every fucking thread turns into a conversation about Barney instegated by Barney (just like this one has, yet again!). It is fucking tiresome and brings this forum right down.

I've replied to you out of respect, if you want to talk about the topic of this thread I'm happy to oblige, but I'm not discussing Barney again.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day and I can put up with that. Just cannot abide a broken record.

 

[Barney]

Let me recap. Flawed and many others took issue with what has been my opinion on Adkins for many months. Now, said poster seems to have miraculously and quite suspiciously taken up and then tried to claim credit for exactly the same viewpoint I've been slated for, for months. And it doesn't stop there - then, I'm an attention seeker and a troll. Absolutely mind-blowing stuff. Take a bow, sir.

 

[Deleted member 1486]

I'm an attention seeker and a troll

I'm glad we've been able to find some common ground

 

[Barney]

I'm glad we've been able to find some common ground

Clearly not one for intellect, are you? Not to worry.

As long as you do your best...

 

[Deleted member 1486]

Clearly not one for intellect, are you? Not to worry.

As long as you do your best...

 

[Finnieston]

We're 5 points off the play offs. Win on Saturday, and we'll potentially be two points off the Play Offs (if Posh get a result against Millwall). We're not the only team dropping points, everyone is. There's 15 games to go, that's 45 points to play for. I know we've been awful of late but we know that the team and individual players can do better. I'm not simply writing off this season yet. Wait until we're 10 points off the Play Offs with three to play, if it comes to that. Otherwise, get behind the team. Booing and protests aren't going to help us get the points we need.

All we are doing is helping the opposition, and as all things Sufc normally go wrong some group or other will do something wrong. History says it.
If we score very early and are playing well thats the best way to shut a crowd up.......If you want to demonstrate dont go..... thats the best way.

 

[WhiteHawk]

I'm not sure I'm keen on the idea of sacking yet another manager but, the squad that Adkins inherited from Clough finished 5th in the league and got to 2 cup semi finals (where we scored 5 goals and gave Premier League opposition a real game), yet Adkins has got them playing like a set of twats. I just don't know what's gone wrong. Has he lost the dressing room? Very worrying if he has already!

The squad we have is more than good enough to be up there, so why aren't they performing?

 

[Tezza1889]

Like him or loathe him you have to admit that against intense opposition Barney has been one of the very few calling it right for a good while now. Would be quite noble of his detractors to give him the credit he deserves.

Barnpig was after Adkins almost before a ball had been kicked, he took a punt at Adkins failing here and knowing how unambitious the board are he's got lucky, there's nothing special about predicting failure from a club owned by people who don't want to build a team of quality, the board dont want out of this league, it's cheap, just like them..

 

[BushBlade]

I'm not sure I'm keen on the idea of sacking yet another manager but, the squad that Adkins inherited from Clough finished 5th in the league and got to 2 cup semi finals (where we scored 5 goals and gave Premier League opposition a real game), yet Adkins has got them playing like a set of twats. I just don't know what's gone wrong. Has he lost the dressing room? Very worrying if he has already!

The squad we have is more than good enough to be up there, so why aren't they performing?

It's not the same squad and more importantly, not the same first team. The side that finished last season contained Murphy, Doyle, Holt and Davies.

 

[lepton blade]

It's not the same squad and more importantly, not the same first team. The side that finished last season contained Murphy, Doyle, Holt and Davies.

I'd argue that in essence the bulk of the team is the same and I agree with Whitehawk that there is large scale underperformance. I also think Adkins must accept some repsonsibility for this. The Wigan game at home for example, 2-0 down with about 40 minutes to play, for me simplifies everything. The team needed to lift the tempo and have a real go at applying some sustained pressure. The fact that the team didn't seem capable of this has got to reflect on the manager. I'm not saying sacking him is the answer but Adkins does have some power to influence the way in which we approach games at critical phases during any match and for me this is where he has been found wanting too often this season.

 

[sitwell]

That game at Bury the other night ,felt like it did under Robson and Weir ,that's how bad it was. we had no heart ,no structure ,no ability ,no guidance and no hope ,it really was that bad ,in fact in a way it was worse as we had worse players.

 

[BushBlade]

I'd argue that in essence the bulk of the team is the same and I agree with Whitehawk that there is large scale underperformance. I also think Adkins must accept some repsonsibility for this. The Wigan game at home for example, 2-0 down with about 40 minutes to play, for me simplifies everything. The team needed to lift the tempo and have a real go at applying some sustained pressure. The fact that the team didn't seem capable of this has got to reflect on the manager. I'm not saying sacking him is the answer but Adkins does have some power to influence the way in which we approach games at critical phases during any match and for me this is where he has been found wanting too often this season.

I accept that we've under performed but I can't accept that it's the same team as last year because it isn't.

Adkins has had a mare but he hasn't been well supported by the board. I think they've let him down to the point whereby his tenure may be unsustainable.

I think the events at Man U and Chelsea haven't shown that managers aren't as influencial as they once were and success is dependent on either having a lot more cash than your competitors or being well run from the top down.

 

[Grappler]

To be honest it's either a player revolt, or they're playing as instructed and it's a clueless manager, isn't anybody else totally fucking confused that we have a good team on paper that can't play, I mean, they don't seem able to fucking play..

This is something I have been thinking about recently as well.

David Weir came in, we went into free fall, couldn't play the 4-5-1 lone striker system he wanted, Weir goes, Clough comes in, plays the same system and we go on an unbeaten run, climb the table, cup run, etc. Clough goes, Adkins comes in, virtually the same team, but playing terrible. Is there something going on?

Clough quickly got rid of players that we thought he had "fallen out" with (Butler, Collins) and others got a rough ride from him (Diego, McNulty). Adkins also sends out McNulty, does nothing with Diego. Could it be that we have more than one "bad apple" who think they run the club? Players conspiring to play badly? It sounds too far fetched to be true (and probably is) but I just can't see how we can have gone so badly wrong sometimes.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

As we clearly now won't make the play offs based on sacking Clough for finishing 5th, Adkins has failed hasn't he?

I'm not advocating sacking him by the way but think the board will in the summer.

Clough had been able to build the squad that finished 5th. Adkins hasn’t had that opportunity so I don’t think he will be judged on a like for like basis. Also, if we keep sacking at that rate, our reputation might put off prospective replacements meaning we end up with the next David Weir.

 

[BushBlade]

This is something I have been thinking about recently as well.

David Weir came in, we went into free fall, couldn't play the 4-5-1 lone striker system he wanted, Weir goes, Clough comes in, plays the same system and we go on an unbeaten run, climb the table, cup run, etc. Clough goes, Adkins comes in, virtually the same team, but playing terrible. Is there something going on?

Clough quickly got rid of players that we thought he had "fallen out" with (Butler, Collins) and others got a rough ride from him (Diego, McNulty). Adkins also sends out McNulty, does nothing with Diego. Could it be that we have more than one "bad apple" who think they run the club? Players conspiring to play badly? It sounds too far fetched to be true (and probably is) but I just can't see how we can have gone so badly wrong sometimes.

Do you think some players may be too friendly with some of the directors? Is that what you're getting at?

 

[sitwell]

Butler ,Collins, Diego ,McNulty ,was Clough wrong ?

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Butler ,Collins, Diego ,McNulty ,was Clough wrong ?

Seems not