Updates from Adkins PT 212823

[BushBlade]

Why didn't Adkins say he didn't want the useless bastard then?

Because Brannigan was involved and you don't start a new job by criticising someone you're expected to work closely with.

 

[Pollingtonblade]

Because Brannigan was involved and you don't start a new job by criticising someone you're expected to work closely with.

That's worrying in itself

 

[BushBlade]

That's worrying in itself

It's life. It's a common problem in most industries but it's become very prevalent in football. There's been a lot written and said about Liverpool's transfer committee and this was one of the problems; the others on the committee were close to and trusted by the Fenway group and if Rodgers argued about all the signings he'd come across as being deliberately belligerent. He had to chose his arguments and sometimes concede to the others on the committee. People who know fuck all about football.
That's why they're shit and why Klopp hasn't been able to turn them round; the players were signed by idiots and a lot just aren't good enough or can't settle in England.

So yeah, it's a bit worrying.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Signing was already long agreed with player and club. They probably could have broke the gentleman's agreement but chose not to. In theory, it could have been a great signing, a player that has fetched seven figure sums and we have him on loan with a "view to" option. Clough had three other players with permanent transfers ready for rubber stamping. I was told he wanted seven players "and they wouldn't be cheap". The next thing you know there's a meeting, he's gone, and the whole transfer goalposts shift. I think Clough would have rectified a lot of his mistakes with these signings but so he should with the amount of money spent. Adkins had the choice of experience on loan with big wages , our a few gambles on younger players. Unless he got the right experienced ones automatic was a pipedream.

 

[marsh blade]

Take off what we got for Murphy and the wages we're not now paying for Doyle, Davies, Davies, Holt and Murph.

Agree mate but he has still had the money.More than enough to have sorted the defence out and he is not doing a very good job at all in my opinion.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Signing was already long agreed with player and club. They probably could have broke the gentleman's agreement but chose not to. In theory, it could have been a great signing, a player that has fetched seven figure sums and we have him on loan with a "view to" option. Clough had three other players with permanent transfers ready for rubber stamping. I was told he wanted seven players "and they wouldn't be cheap". The next thing you know there's a meeting, he's gone, and the whole transfer goalposts shift. I think Clough would have rectified a lot of his mistakes with these signings but so he should with the amount of money spent. Adkins had the choice of experience on loan with big wages , our a few gambles on younger players. Unless he got the right experienced ones automatic was a pipedream.

Just thought I'd add leaks from the club at management level now, are fewer than they've ever been post Warnock. People within the club have as little idea as our icompetent local media. The only thing I know that hasn't been widely reported is that Adkins has looked at young loan players at PL level in the summer and was close to getting Kent and another from the Scousers.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

well he has had about 2 million including wages. Thats more than some league 1 clubs budget for the season.

But those buggers spent their money on footballers

 

[marsh blade]

Nobody knows what proportion of wages we are paying - it's just speculation. I used to work at the club and my contacts tell me Sammon was a Clough signing. Cloughie wanted a king's ransom to improve the squad...

well you may know then that clough had lined up Will grigg and K.Macfadzean ? but was told to sell Murphy and the budget was'nt going to be the same as last season.?

 

[BushBlade]

Agree mate but he has still had the money.More than enough to have sorted the defence out and he is not doing a very good job at all in my opinion.

I don't think anyone can say he's doing a good job. The question is 'are there legitimate reasons for it or is he just crap?'

If he'd not strengthened the attack after losing Davies and not addressed the midfield after losing Doyle, we'd have had a good central defence but had little in attack. It's swings and roundabouts. We needed strengthening throughout.

 

[nopigfansintown]

well you may know then that clough had lined up Will grigg and K.Macfadzean ? but was told to sell Murphy and the budget was'nt going to be the same as last season.?

I'll do my best to remember but my memory when it comes to names isn't the best. We had three from Swindon: Smith (striker I think?), Williams (now at Donny ?) and I believe he was interested in the keeper (sorry no idea of his name). I definitely remember Macfadzean as I was told this one was "done" and "not cheap".There was a centre half from Derby, Buxton, who we'd offered big money for and was to be a big part of the back four and potential captain. Also a player called Bennet from Derby. United also turned down a nice bid from Brighton for Flynn - the summer before - and persuaded him to sign a nice new deal. Clough had also been in for Alan Judge several times in the past too . I'm sure there was a midfielder who I didn't really want from Donny. Edit Grigg turned us down earlier on I think, but was definitely on the radar. The midfielder was Wellens.

The board, I think, must have seen this list and said hang on we have forty players and you want how much?

 

[marsh blade]

I don't think anyone can say he's doing a good job. The question is 'are there legitimate reasons for it or is he just crap?'

If he'd not strengthened the attack after losing Davies and not addressed the midfield after losing Doyle, we'd have had a good central defence but had little in attack. It's swings and roundabouts. We needed strengthening throughout.

Exactly bush and all i'm saying is that he's had enough money at the start of the season to do that .Any decent manager worth his salt would have us at least in the play offs ie clough.

 

[BushBlade]

Exactly bush and all i'm saying is that he's had enough money at the start of the season to do that .Any decent manager worth his salt would have us at least in the play offs ie clough.

And all I'm saying is that he didn't. Which is where we differ.

 

[Revolution]

United also turned down a nice bid from Brighton for Flynn - the summer before - and persuaded him to sign a nice new deal.

If this is true, it is even more stupefying than Clough's signings that summer.

Jesus, 50 grand would be a nice bid for Flynn.

 

[nopigfansintown]

It was at the end of the FA Cup cup exploits. I think Clough had a summer's lapse from reason and he may well have corrected it. I doubt he'd have done any better with Adkins' inheritance and the new financial parameters.

 

[marsh blade]

I'll do my best to remember but my memory when it comes to names isn't the best. We had three from Swindon: Smith (striker I think?), Williams (now at Donny ?) and I believe he was interested in the keeper (sorry no idea of his name). I definitely remember Mcfadzean as I was told this one was "done" and "not cheap".There was a centre half from Derby, Buxton, who we'd offered big money for and was to be a big part of the back four and potential captain. Also a player called Bennet from Derby. United also turned down a nice bid from Brighton for Flynn - the summer before - and persuaded him to sign a nice new deal. Clough had also been in for Alan Judge several times in the past too . I'm sure there was a midfielder who I didn't really want from Donny.

Cheers for that mate some top draw players there .remember Judge turned us down real shame. That was the supposed investment for that type of players.

 

[marsh blade]

And all I'm saying is that he didn't. Which is where we differ.

2 million not enough? you would take em up with that !

 

[wizadry]

Kevin still has all the clubs assets what has the Prince got for his £13 million not a lot, JP has said on numerous occasions they expected to be in the Championship with that outlay.

My point was how can McCabe be free of criticism but Adkins and the Prince aren't? They should all have questions to answer, especially our long standing now joint chairman Mr McCabe.

 

[alcoblade]

Signing was already long agreed with player and club. They probably could have broke the gentleman's agreement but chose not to. In theory, it could have been a great signing, a player that has fetched seven figure sums and we have him on loan with a "view to" option. Clough had three other players with permanent transfers ready for rubber stamping. I was told he wanted seven players "and they wouldn't be cheap". The next thing you know there's a meeting, he's gone, and the whole transfer goalposts shift. I think Clough would have rectified a lot of his mistakes with these signings but so he should with the amount of money spent. Adkins had the choice of experience on loan with big wages , our a few gambles on younger players. Unless he got the right experienced ones automatic was a pipedream.

He built an enormous squad full of shite, then wanted 7 more players that "wouldn't be cheap".

Little wonder they sacked him.

UTB

 

[marsh blade]

My point was how can McCabe be free of criticism but Adkins and the Prince aren't? They should all have questions to answer, especially our long standing now joint chairman Mr McCabe.

They need to put a football man in place between board and manager .

 

[nopigfansintown]

I worked at the club as a young teenager starting in Warnock's early years - through to Blackwell. Under some manager's you knew the team a couple of days before, and I was a minor 'helper'. Gave it up to go with my mates etc. I've still got some contacts that give me info but not much with regards first team under Adkins thus far. Edit: This is probably a good thing.

 

[BushBlade]

2 million not enough? you would take em up with that !

True but I'm a football genius.

It's not two million though if the majority of it is spent on replacing players we've got rid of. You're including wages and talking about gross spend to talk up the figures to support your argument. I'm looking at net spend and what was needed to make us twenty two points better than we were last season.

 

[nopigfansintown]

Adkins budget is much less than Clough wanted. The Murphy deal was also not confirmed and was being resisted by Clough.
Clough was asking for a big leap of faith in my view; I wish he'd have asked a year earlier when in a position of strength and signed different players.

 

[marsh blade]

True but I'm a football genius.

It's not two million though if the majority of it is spent on replacing players we've got rid of. You're including wages and talking about gross spend to talk up the figures to support your argument. I'm looking at net spend and what was needed to make us twenty two points better than we were last season.

Burton are top ..there budget inc wages and so on what do you think it is ? i understand your argument but there is no denying he's had a good amount of money for this level bushy.

 

[BushBlade]

Burton are top ..there budget inc wages and so on what do you think it is ? i understand your argument but there is no denying he's had a good amount of money for this level bushy.

He hasn't. We're going round in circles.

Burton have seen three managerial changes since the start of their upwards trajectory and it hasn't had an adverse effect so far which indicates that their success is less about managers and more about being a well run club that has invested it's money wisely over a long period of time.

 

[marsh blade]

He hasn't. We're going round in circles.

Burton have seen three managerial changes since the start of their upwards trajectory and it hasn't had an adverse effect so far which indicates that their success is less about managers and more about being a well run club that has invested it's money wisely over a long period of time.

You will realise soon that he's shit ...get rid asap . At least 2 mill to strengthen on last season and he's made us worse .Adkins is useless i for one is shocked at how bad he is surely people can see this .

 

[Roygbiv]

He might be shit but it's no coincidence that Burton have had more managers than us in the past 2 seasons and yet all have succeeded. Meanwhile whoever takes over here fails miserably. We could put anybody in charge and it won't change whilst ever things are like they are in the board room

 

[Balham]

The main issue is that we basically lost all momentum on transfers last season by sacking Clough and appointing Adkins during the close season during the critical phase for transfer negotiations. All deals which were lined up were Clough's and any targets Adkins might have had would have been negotiating elsewhere during the hiatus.

I know Adkins is underperforming at the moment but it's not entirely his fault - if the Clough blow-up had happened the night after the Swindon game then we'd be in a much better position now.

That said, we've gone about appointing managers recently in the same way we've signed players: professionals who aren't performing at the required level in the league above but who command a relatively high salary for League One. We really need to break that habit - on both playing and management staff.