Adkins not part of the problem ?

[BushBlade]

I think when it's going wrong for managers certain traits become apparent, like with Clough. During our unbeaten run he didn't resemble the bloke the Derby fans described. Fast forward a few months and their descriptions were spot on.

It does seem to confirm that Adkins isn't great at taking over a poorly performing side and turning them round. I think he needs his own players, we certainly need players. He'll do well to get through the rest of the season with the current squad. He's been hung out to dry.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

I think when it's going wrong for managers certain traits become apparent, like with Clough. During our unbeaten run he didn't resemble the bloke the Derby fans described. Fast forward a few months and their descriptions were spot on.

It does seem to confirm that Adkins isn't great at taking over a poorly performing side and turning them round. I think he needs his own players, we certainly need players. He'll do well to get through the rest of the season with the current squad. He's been hung out to dry.

So - someone forced him to sign Woolford, Sammon and Hammond did they? And to play for a draw every week?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Having read all the recent discussions about who is to blame for our current predicament - the board, the manager, the players. I have come to the conclusion that it's all of them to a degree. The board is clueless, the manager is inept and the players are shit. My ratio of blame is 50 / 25/ 25.

That said the real villains are of course us the fans. Without our constant support and attendance in the face of such utter incompetence and crap, the crisis would have come to a head years ago. So apologies for my part in our downfall.

 

[madeinsheffield]

So - someone forced him to sign Woolford, Sammon and Hammond did they? And to play for a draw every week?

Does anyone have the dates Sammon and Adkins signed, I was under the impression at the time it was arranged and in place before Adkins actually arrived. Could this have been arranged by Clough around the time he did the inspirational video message and the Mal Brannagan stuck to the word of an agreement despite Clough leaving.

Mind you, we'll be talking about Dan Burn arriving after Adkins has left, regardless of getting sacked or not


Just asking....

 

[Fiery Blade]

In my original OP I described Mr Adkins as a YES man !
One or two including Bartman to me to task, but I stick to my guns - Mr Adkins is a YES man
In todays world where Football Managers get the sack after just four months in some cases wouldn't it be refreshing if Mr Adkins had come out with:
'When I agreed to take the job I was given assurances that the board would back me fully in rebuilding this once great club to win promotion' but NO he comes out with
'I have to shoulder the blame of why we are only 10 /11 th in the league and that Automatic Promotion will not be achieved' or words to the same effect !
The guy is broken, he hasn't a clue what to do next but appears to be giving the company line to keep himself in a job !
Either he is not up to the job or he's fronting up an incompetent board - whatever is the truth it is the club and the fans that are suffering !

 

[Fiery Blade]

Having read all the recent discussions about who is to blame for our current predicament - the board, the manager, the players. I have come to the conclusion that it's all of them to a degree. The board is clueless, the manager is inept and the players are shit. My ratio of blame is 50 / 25/ 25.

That said the real villains are of course us the fans. Without our constant support and attendance in the face of such utter incompetence and crap, the crisis would have come to a head years ago. So apologies for my part in our downfall.

Whilst never at the top of my favourite clubs list, Liverpool fans did stand up to be counted last Saturday when they walked out in the 77th minute as a protest against their board.
We need to make a similar protest but our fans have become too apathetic, there doesn't appear to be a protest left in them !

 

[Rodders]

In my original OP I described Mr Adkins as a YES man !
One or two including Bartman to me to task, but I stick to my guns - Mr Adkins is a YES man
In todays world where Football Managers get the sack after just four months in some cases wouldn't it be refreshing if Mr Adkins had come out with:
'When I agreed to take the job I was given assurances that the board would back me fully in rebuilding this once great club to win promotion' but NO he comes out with
'I have to shoulder the blame of why we are only 10 /11 th in the league and that Automatic Promotion will not be achieved' or words to the same effect !
The guy is broken, he hasn't a clue what to do next but appears to be giving the company line to keep himself in a job !
Either he is not up to the job or he's fronting up an incompetent board - whatever is the truth it is the club and the fans that are suffering !

How many managers, currently in a job have said this?

 

[BushBlade]

So - someone forced him to sign Woolford, Sammon and Hammond did they? And to play for a draw every week?

No but perhaps they stopped him signing other players he needed to compete the jigsaw.

I'm not even going to bother defending Adkins anymore. We're fucked whether he stays or goes.

If you think there's a manager out there who's going to do a better job I suggest you're as deluded as I am in thinking Adkins might have.

 

[Ted Danson]

What do you reckon to this ??

http://thetilehurstend.sbnation.com...s-enigma-just-what-plans-are-you-making-nigel

Thats exactly how I see us under Adkins unfortunately, time for a change. The scummer sat opposite me just mentioned that Adkins is the longest serving manager in South Yorkshire at the moment. Personally I dont think he deserves to be

 

[BushBlade]

Thats exactly how I see us under Adkins unfortunately, time for a change. The scummer sat opposite me just mentioned that Adkins is the longest serving manager in South Yorkshire at the moment. Personally I dont think he deserves to be

What? Sit opposite you?

 

[Ted Danson]

What? Sit opposite you?

yes, we have desks and someone is sat opposite me, he happens to support Leeds

 

[west_yorks_blade]

yes, we have desks and someone is sat opposite me, he happens to support Leeds

Tell him he's an utter cock from me would you please ted?

 

[BushBlade]

yes, we have desks and someone is sat opposite me, he happens to support Leeds

But does he deserve to sit opposite you?

 

[BushBlade]

Tell him he's an utter cock from me would you please ted?

From all of us.

 

[PeteBlade]

In my original OP I described Mr Adkins as a YES man !
One or two including Bartman to me to task, but I stick to my guns - Mr Adkins is a YES man
In todays world where Football Managers get the sack after just four months in some cases wouldn't it be refreshing if Mr Adkins had come out with:
'When I agreed to take the job I was given assurances that the board would back me fully in rebuilding this once great club to win promotion' but NO he comes out with
'I have to shoulder the blame of why we are only 10 /11 th in the league and that Automatic Promotion will not be achieved' or words to the same effect !
The guy is broken, he hasn't a clue what to do next but appears to be giving the company line to keep himself in a job !
Either he is not up to the job or he's fronting up an incompetent board - whatever is the truth it is the club and the fans that are suffering !

Name a successful manager that isn't a yes man.

 

[BushBlade]

Name a successful manager that isn't a yes man.

Mourinho.

Sorry but you did ask.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

In my original OP I described Mr Adkins as a YES man !
One or two including Bartman to me to task, but I stick to my guns - Mr Adkins is a YES man
In todays world where Football Managers get the sack after just four months in some cases wouldn't it be refreshing if Mr Adkins had come out with:
'When I agreed to take the job I was given assurances that the board would back me fully in rebuilding this once great club to win promotion' but NO he comes out with
'I have to shoulder the blame of why we are only 10 /11 th in the league and that Automatic Promotion will not be achieved' or words to the same effect !
The guy is broken, he hasn't a clue what to do next but appears to be giving the company line to keep himself in a job !
Either he is not up to the job or he's fronting up an incompetent board - whatever is the truth it is the club and the fans that are suffering !

Yes man, No man - what does it really matter?

Clough most definitely wasn't a Yes man - & he ended up getting slagged to high heaven for his stubbornness & singlemindedness.

Adkins is a Yes man in the sense that he's working to the remit of the board (& the less-than-impressive signings he's made have no doubt been made within that remit) & that he's refusing to slag the board off (although he's starting to get ambiguous about their part in the current mess). But he doesn't strike me as subservient, not at all.

Yes, No or Maybe - I don't know who could successfully operate under the shambles of a boardroom/ownership we've got, with all the constraints they impose.

 

[PeteBlade]

Mourinho.

Sorry but you did ask.

I've never known him slag his employer?

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Mourinho.

Sorry but you did ask.

And Fergie

 

[Ted Danson]

But does he deserve to sit opposite you?

Of course not, he should be sat next to the pig fan in the corner so we only have to hurl abuse in 1 direction

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Of course not, he should be sat next to the pig fan in the corner so we only have to hurl abuse in 1 direction

Pigs and Leeds scum.

I hope they pay you well.

 

[BushBlade]

I've never known him slag his employer?

I'm not a Chelsea fan so I'm not going to trawl through Mourinho quotes but he has. He did this season, early on and he did the last time. Both times he ended up getting sacked.

 

[PeteBlade]

And Fergie

Fergie was a huge apologist for the Glazers and never once spoke out against them.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm not a Chelsea fan so I'm not going to trawl through Mourinho quotes but he has. He did this season, early on and he did the last time. Both times he ended up getting sacked.

I think I said in my first reply about managers who aren't yes men tending to get sacked.

 

[west_yorks_blade]

Fergie was a huge apologist for the Glazers and never once spoke out against them.

Maybe he didn't disagree with them. They seemed to give him everything he wanted. i.e they were the yes men.

 

[BushBlade]

I think I said in my first reply about managers who aren't yes men tending to get sacked.

I'm not disagreeing with you but you said 'name a successful manager who isn't a yes man' so I did. It's not my fault it supports your argument.

 

[PeteBlade]

I'm not disagreeing with you but you said 'name a successful manager who isn't a yes man' so I did. It's not my fault it supports your argument.

I
Never mind people joining in and supporting my arguments...

 

[Ted Danson]

Pigs and Leeds scum.

I hope they pay you well.

Yeah they do thankfully and its not my permanent job which helps aswell. Luckily only 1 of each and about 6 blades so the piggy and the scum just take the piss out of each other all day while we just wallow in our own misery

 

[nopigfansintown]

All managers are yes men else they resign or get sacked. I'm more concerned about if they are yes men to well thought out strategy, and if the club processes are in place to carry out this strategy. Nobody cares if there "yes" men then. Clough apparently wasn't a yes man in his second season when it came to transfer strategy. Does anybody want this "no" man back?

 

[Jan Age]

I honestly don't think you can keep sacking manager after manager and then expect to get results.

Man Utd had Matt Busby and Alex Ferguson in charge for over a 1000 games each and between them they won 18 first division titles, 15 Charity Shields, 7 FA Cups and 3 European Cups.

Arsenal have had George Graham and Arsene Wenger for around 1400 games and between them they have won 5 first division titles, 7 FA Cups and 7 Charity Shields.

Liverpool Paisley and Shankly

Before all the money Barca had Johan Cruyff for 8 years and was easily their most successful manager.

At some point you need to back a man and stick with him.. I'm not suggesting Adkins shares the same stage as the above but most success for clubs without billions to spend comes from consistency.