Adkins on the Jamie Murphy money

[Balham]

What happened to the Harry McGuire money? It seems to have been airbrushed away, a bit like him.

It went the same way as all the other money we have raised through player sales. The club costs more to run than it brings in (transfer fees, Shirecliffe, paying the kit man, paying the players, buying footballs...etc). How else do we bridge the gap?

 

[Rodders]

It went the same way as all the other money we have raised through player sales. The club costs more to run than it brings in (transfer fees, Shirecliffe, paying the kit man, paying the players, buying footballs...etc). How else do we bridge the gap?

I thought all the Maguire money was spent in the Desso shop?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

That's my interpretation – I doubt he'd ever say that in public if he thought it as he's not the type to criticise the old regime directly.

Basham's the other that has played RB in his career.

Ah, I assumed you meant Ben Davies

 

[Deaneandagana]

It went the same way as all the other money we have raised through player sales. The club costs more to run than it brings in (transfer fees, Shirecliffe, paying the kit man, paying the players, buying footballs...etc). How else do we bridge the gap?

Not sure I would agree with that, there's a decent argument that says Brayford was a direct replacement for Maguire - not positionally, but in terms of headcount & fee

 

[judge]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g4h4h

Rob Staton: Is the Jamie Murphy money going to be reinvested in the squad, but if you're making six figure bids are you quite happy with the backing you're getting?

Positive Nigel: There is a strong desire and there is a genuine support across the football club - we have to balance books accordingly, everyone's aware of that, There's been a lot of money invested over the last couple of years I think that's strong to say [...] there was a lot of money for John Brayford, there was a lot of money for Matty Done [...] so there's been money invested over the time [...] there's a wage bill that adds up when you've got so many players so within FFP you've got to get that right but you've got to be kicking on and pushing the boundaries as much as possible. That's certainly what I'm looking to go and do. Likewise we've got to make sure the people that we bring in have to be in the team kicking ourselves on [...] I don't need to bring someone in just for the sake of it [...] should be who can come in and make a difference and help the group, help our football club get us where we want to be and that's promoted this season.


Rob Staton does what he does well and asks a straight and (fairly) simple question. It's about 8:50.

Posted the response pretty much verbatim.

Can you post back when he answers it

 

[Balham]

I thought all the Maguire money was spent in the Desso shop?

The Maguire money was spent on running the football club. Same as the Murphy money and the Jagielka money and the prince's money and McCabe's money.

No football team regularly turns a profit unless they're mid-table in the Premier League and happy with that.

Not sure I would agree with that, there's a decent argument that says Brayford was a direct replacement for Maguire - not positionally, but in terms of headcount & fee

Possibly; particularly in terms of the wages. Doubt we'd have been able to afford both permanently.

 

[Sothall_Blade]

It went the same way as all the other money we have raised through player sales. The club costs more to run than it brings in (transfer fees, Shirecliffe, paying the kit man, paying the players, buying footballs...etc). How else do we bridge the gap?

Kevin McCabe - September 2013:-

<< McCabe is confident the new investment will mean the club are able to keep hold of promising youngsters like England Under-21 goalkeeper George Long and defender Harry Maguire.

"The plan of action is simple and that is to improve the first-team squad whether that be through the loan system or in the January transfer window," he said. I would also say to our supporters that this also ensures we can keep our own young players, hopefully on longer contracts.

"We are going to look to make shrewd signings at the right time, with the strong belief we will get promoted not only from League One but with a squad that can gain promotion from the Championship."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23944355

 

[stringjunior]

I thought all the Maguire money was spent in the Desso shop?

Big shop

 

[Deaneandagana]

Kevin McCabe - September 2013:-

<< McCabe is confident the new investment will mean the club are able to keep hold of promising youngsters like England Under-21 goalkeeper George Long and defender Harry Maguire.

"The plan of action is simple and that is to improve the first-team squad whether that be through the loan system or in the January transfer window," he said. I would also say to our supporters that this also ensures we can keep our own young players, hopefully on longer contracts.

"We are going to look to make shrewd signings at the right time, with the strong belief we will get promoted not only from League One but with a squad that can gain promotion from the Championship."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23944355

Also add to this, KMc wittering on about building a 45,000 seater stadium, the club capable of competing for European qualification, whilst there's nothing wrong with being ambitious sooner or later you've either got to deliver or make way.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Ah, I assumed you meant Ben Davies

I'd totally forgotten him too – blimey. We had nearly half a team of professionals that could play right-back!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Kevin McCabe - September 2013:-

<< McCabe is confident the new investment will mean the club are able to keep hold of promising youngsters like England Under-21 goalkeeper George Long and defender Harry Maguire.

"The plan of action is simple and that is to improve the first-team squad whether that be through the loan system or in the January transfer window," he said. I would also say to our supporters that this also ensures we can keep our own young players, hopefully on longer contracts.

"We are going to look to make shrewd signings at the right time, with the strong belief we will get promoted not only from League One but with a squad that can gain promotion from the Championship."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23944355

So the money is there if that is the issue.

Otoh if it's international exposure, Division 1 football, or year round sunshine...

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Also add to this, KMc wittering on about building a 45,000 seater stadium, the club capable of competing for European qualification, whilst there's nothing wrong with being ambitious sooner or later you've either got to deliver or make way.

Wittering.

Make way...for the stampede of billionaire investors.

 

[Deaneandagana]

Wittering.

Make way...for the stampede of billionaire investors.

It's Belgium for talking (continual) rubbish

 

[derryblade]

Personally I think you have to take what KM or any of our leaders including the managers says with huge pinch of salt. Why they make these statements and rarely deliver on any of them is bizarre and leaves them open to ridicule. I don't have to list them they are to numerous and well documented, but they still feel the need to spout more targets they clearly can't deliver. "if you’re going to talk the talk, you’ve got to walk the walk"

 

[northsomersetblade]

It went the same way as all the other money we have raised through player sales. The club costs more to run than it brings in (transfer fees, Shirecliffe, paying the kit man, paying the players, buying footballs...etc). How else do we bridge the gap?

Well if we struggle to bridge the gap, how on earth do Walsall, Gillingham and Burton manage?

Or should I just apply Occams razor and deduce that the club is piss poorly managed.

 

[robbiez666]

I don't think Brayford is a waste of money. I think the signing of Brayford was stupid if we didn't have extra budget to sort out the rest of the team (and we have ok cover in that position). We need to get promoted. If we don't go up this year I'd not be shocked if Brayford decides he needs to be playing at a higher level. And who could blame him:

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

It's Belgium for talking (continual) rubbish

Except....there's no such language as Belgium - or Belgian.

Aha!

(No idea why I felt compelled to point this out, but there it is.)

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Well if we struggle to bridge the gap, how on earth do Walsall, Gillingham and Burton manage?

Or should I just apply Occams razor and deduce that the club is piss poorly managed.

More the Flying Spaghetti Monster drinking from Russell's Teapot.

Jah Pastafari.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Except....there's no such language as Belgium - or Belgian.

Aha!

(No idea why I felt compelled to point this out, but there it is.)

The words in fact are stuck in McCabes throat - Flemish.


All have faith , we will get promoted .

UTB

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I'd totally forgotten him too – blimey. We had nearly half a team of professionals that could play right-back!

Although Alcock and Davies had been injured for quite a while and Flynn had only just come back from injury. Let's not forget the horror show that was Harrison McGahey deputising at right back.

 

[Smirth]

It does seem daft to let our back up right back go, unless Freeman is forcing the move through himself to get first team football.

It leaves us with Flynn as our only back up. Flynn is both not a right back by trade, and is incredibly injury prone. So if Brayford gets injured or needs a break, we've got Flynn to play (if fit, and that's a big if) or Harrison McGahey who is a centre half. Seems very strange to me, particularly since Freeman is a decent player and can actually cover left back as well.

 

[judge]

Someone think of his daughters

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

My problem is not the honesty in the answer. It's that there always has to be a "but" or a "however" leading to some comment about book balancing.

I appreciate that football clubs have to TRY and operate like a business and I'm all for that but a lot of other clubs our size don't seem to put so much emphasis on it.

I think what it boils down to is.....for whatever reason we don't have sufficient backing to achieve our goals. To one person it looks like a half arsed attempt to succeed, to another it looks like sensible, measured spending. Some feel that reinvesting what we've made in sales is a sign of ambition. It's not how a lot of other clubs do it but perhaps they have bigger backing.

Maybe we're just not equipped for the modern game and have to adjust our expectations. I'm fine with that provided the club and those running it stop over inflating those expectations, telling us we are going to take on the world when we're really a business, not a football team.

 

[Mouth of the South]

Almost every single supporter agrees the squad needs to improve yet a large number of people question the decision whenever a player is moved on. For example, McNulty - even though his goalscoring record was admittedly ok at Utd considering the amount of game time he had, proved himself to be not good enough (at the moment) for L1 and would be behind Sharp, Done and Adams in the pecking order. Fewer people, but still a fair few, disagreed with letting Alcock go - another who is simply not good enough and would not get a game. Now people are saying we should keep hold of Freeman, who again has others ahead of him in the pecking order and after a decent start to the season, regularly shows his defensive frailties.

Ultimately, Utd will not get out of this league until a large proportion of the following are off the books (preferably permanently) and replaced by a smaller number of higher quality players:

- Long
- Howard
- Freeman
- Harris
- Collins
- McGahey
- Scougall
- JCR
- Woolford
- McEveley
- Flynn
- Wallace J
- Higdon
- DdG
- McNulty
- Cuvelier

We are woefully short in a number of areas (GK, CB (although personally I think Basham should play there with Edgar), AMC, pace on both wings, target man) and none of the above players can ably fill these gaps.

To address the issue of cover should Brayford be absent - options are Flynn (until moved on), Basham, Coutts, new signing during JTW that could cover (i.e. not specialist RB), loan or a free agent so there's absolutely no need to consider not getting shut of Freeman.

 

[Chezzy Blades]

To address the issue of cover should Brayford be absent - options are Flynn (until moved on), Basham, Coutts, new signing during JTW that could cover (i.e. not specialist RB), loan or a free agent so there's absolutely no need to consider not getting shut of Freeman.

Coutts at right back, seriously? He's a decent footballer but the lad couldn't even mark a bingo card. If we're letting Freeman go with a view to Coutts covering at right back we haven't got a prayer of getting near the playoffs.

I agree with the vast majority of your post though, that aside. 3 years of being promised "quality over quantity", yet we have a bigger squad than ever and almost all the quality we had has been sold.

 

[Bladesman]

If we can land one or two decent signings then that's fine.

The main problem which has already been discussed to death is offloading the players we don't want. Adkins has done well to get some players out on loan but if they really are not part of his plans then these players should be going out on a permanent deal.

 

[robbiez666]

Almost every single supporter agrees the squad needs to improve yet a large number of people question the decision whenever a player is moved on. For example, McNulty - even though his goalscoring record was admittedly ok at Utd considering the amount of game time he had, proved himself to be not good enough (at the moment) for L1 and would be behind Sharp, Done and Adams in the pecking order. Fewer people, but still a fair few, disagreed with letting Alcock go - another who is simply not good enough and would not get a game. Now people are saying we should keep hold of Freeman, who again has others ahead of him in the pecking order and after a decent start to the season, regularly shows his defensive frailties.

Ultimately, Utd will not get out of this league until a large proportion of the following are off the books (preferably permanently) and replaced by a smaller number of higher quality players:

- Long
- Howard
- Freeman
- Harris
- Collins
- McGahey
- Scougall
- JCR
- Woolford
- McEveley
- Flynn
- Wallace J
- Higdon
- DdG
- McNulty
- Cuvelier

We are woefully short in a number of areas (GK, CB (although personally I think Basham should play there with Edgar), AMC, pace on both wings, target man) and none of the above players can ably fill these gaps.

To address the issue of cover should Brayford be absent - options are Flynn (until moved on), Basham, Coutts, new signing during JTW that could cover (i.e. not specialist RB), loan or a free agent so there's absolutely no need to consider not getting shut of Freeman.

If we had a whole new squad next season it wouldn' bother me. There's not one who I would miss.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

If we can land one or two decent signings then that's fine.

The main problem which has already been discussed to death is offloading the players we don't want. Adkins has done well to get some players out on loan but if they really are not part of his plans then these players should be going out on a permanent deal.

Getting someone to take them permanently is the hardest job he will have. They've failed in the best possible environment and under the best possible conditions. Why would any clubs at our level want them?

 

[Houston_Blade]

And despite it being common knowledge for months that it's been swallowed up by wages - and we've known who's fault that was since preseason - and losses, some have to don sackcloth and ashes and weep and wail yet again. Usually those who predict it ad nauseum and then are the most surprised when it rears its head.

Some reyt drama queens on here.

I think the issue people have is that they don't see wages as "transfer costs" so it's easier for them to think that we've had £X in and we should immediately go and buy player/s to the value of £X.

It's probably better if the powers that be just come out and tell it straight though as the majority of fans have short term memories and little knowledge of the clubs finances. A comment from the board to say "the funds will go towards wages and running costs in order to reduce the huge annual losses" would at least be clear.

I might stop everyone thinking it's going to KM via Grand Cayman/Bermuda/Switzerland or his dog.

 

[Mickey Jupp]

Loads of contradictions in opinions.



However we now have game changing investment and can make occasional big money signings. Adams has been given a lucrative contract extension.

But now this ambition is forgotten because apparently we've signed the wrong players..

"Gamechanging investment" has been there for three years. A false dawn.