Connor Sammon

[sothall blade]

It really riled me how he 'trudged' off the pitch after being subbed wasting precious time.

There was also a point in the 1st half where he lost the ball and made 0 effort to win it back.

Think he's realising his career is going nowhere .... It's a no from me.

He pulled out of a 50/50 tackle against Bradford when he could quite easily have used his muscle to gain possession,bit powder puff for me given his build

 

[Silent Blade]

One pairing that worked well in the lower leagues and coincidentally it was in an Adkins side was Andy Keogh & Billy Sharp. Keogh's role was pivitol in making this combination so successful, personally I thought out of all the players in our side Matty Done would have been the one closest to being capable to playing Keogh's role, however since those days Sharp's all round game has changed so maybe that - amongst other reasonings, is a factor in why we aren't going down that route

Keogh is over 6 foot and good in the air

 

[DronnieBlade]

Robbie Fowler and Michael Owen were wonderful players. Both streets ahead of Sharp and McNulty as they were quicker and better in the air but Fowler and Owen didnt work well together as a pair at Liverpool as you can see in the comments below.


http://forums.liverpoolfc.com/threa...e-Michael-Owen-and-Robbie-Fowler-as-a-pairing

I recall Dave Watson saying that he and Craig Short found it easy playing against Owen and Fowler as a pairing because it was predictable that Liverpool wouldnt play high balls. Can you name a strike paring that was successful even though they werent quick or strong in the air?

Well that's me convinced !

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[Reedy1889]

Keogh is over 6 foot and good in the air

I'd have to disagree on that one (other than his height which is 6'0 (so say's wiki)). From what I can recall Keogh's heading ability is nothing to shout about at all and I wouldn't class him as being a target man type striker. However I'm happy to be proved wrong by anyone who has seen him more than I which admittedly isn't too much.

 

[DronnieBlade]

I'd have to disagree on that one (other than his height which is 6'0 (so say's wiki)). From what I can recall Keogh's heading ability is nothing to shout about at all and I wouldn't class him as being a target man type striker. However I'm happy to be proved wrong by anyone who has seen him more than I which admittedly isn't too much.

The success of this partnership was down to good movement off the ball and a great understanding of each other's likely movements, no doubt worked on in training.

It's not rocket science. Adams, McNulty and Done should all be capable of filling the "Keogh" role.

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[wizadry]

The success of this partnership was down to good movement off the ball and a great understanding of each other's likely movements, no doubt worked on in training.

It's not rocket science. Adams, McNulty and Done should all be capable of filling the "Keogh" role.

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Where has this theory come from that we must have a big man up top anyway?

Two players up top who can finish from the chances they either create themselves or by others are all that you need in reality. Nobody on this forum can say for 100% that McNulty isn't good for Sharp as they haven't been given a run of games together, on the flipside we can't say for 100% that it will work but i'd sure as hell think it can't be any worse than Sammon up top. Billy likes to drift wide at times, it then leaves nothing in the middle after he's done the good work out wide, well this is where McNulty would benefit because he will always be popping up in the box and will score goals, Sammon can't even finish his dinner.

 

[DronnieBlade]

Where has this theory come from that we must have a big man up top anyway?

Two players up top who can finish from the chances they either create themselves or by others are all that you need in reality. Nobody on this forum can say for 100% that McNulty isn't good for Sharp as they haven't been given a run of games together, on the flipside we can't say for 100% that it will work but i'd sure as hell think it can't be any worse than Sammon up top. Billy likes to drift wide at times, it then leaves nothing in the middle after he's done the good work out wide, well this is where McNulty would benefit because he will always be popping up in the box and will score goals, Sammon can't even finish his dinner.

This.

You and I see this the same Wiz.

Proviso being you don't just lump balls up front, which we aren't doing any ways !!

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[wizadry]

This.

You and I see this the same Wiz.

Proviso being you don't just lump balls up front, which we aren't doing any ways !!

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We're playing some very good stuff at times, knocking it about brilliantly, sometimes it didn't come off but us as fans don't want to knock them for trying it and we didn't. Get Billy someone decent to play with otherwise he will burn himself out, then we will be well and truly shackled.

 

[raimond]

Sammon's poor (to compliment him). Get rid, no reason why Sharp and Adams shouldn't be a brilliant front two, recall McNuts, get a big feller for the bench to offer summat different, job done.

 

[Silent Blade]

This.

You and I see this the same Wiz.

Proviso being you don't just lump balls up front, which we aren't doing any ways !!

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Your dream signings

 

[DronnieBlade]

Your dream signings

Should this be in rumours SB ?

Either way, if any of these can trap a football, it would be an upgrade on Sammon / Higdon !!

UTB.

 

[DronnieBlade]

ps One of yours ??

 

[Worksop II]

I think the Sammon deal was done by Clough for a Season long loan, so we were locked into it, and still are

Sooooooo, if Cloughy comes on this morning wanting Conner for the remainder of his loan, do we let him go ...

Could be a Playoff rival, and the ending is so predictable

Would you let him go ?

 

[Thorpy]

Can't shoot.
Can't pass.
Can't jump.
Can't challenge for the ball.

Can't be in our starting line up again.

totally agree he has 1 good performance in 10 and we need better at our level. revell from cardiff is a strong target man gets his own share of goals and can play well in a front 2 ithink him and billy would have a field day ,but i still think untill we sort out our poor defence well always be handicapped

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

As others have pointed out we were much more effective with Sammon on. Aisi there are very good reasons for this.

What he's particularly good at is holding up the ball and laying it off. The ball often sticks to him and his distribution is good. He links us together.

He also helps us defend from the front by pressurising the opposition defence. He's relatively mobile and has good stamina for this job.

What he's not particularly good at is aimless hopeful/hopeless flick ons, which is what afaict he's often being criticised for. Seems to me he's being criticised for not doing things he's not meant to do.

One of the reasons he "doesn't jump" is he's often trying to control the ball, retain possession, and bring others into the game - instead of heading it on which tends to bring the opposition into the game.

I wonder if he's being hounded out of the club, I think this would be a shame as I don't think we'll find player at our level better at what he does.

I'd be interested to see stats on how we do (eg goals scored and/or conceded) when he is on the pitch. Bergen Blade produced something similar for McEveley. I reckon he'd be one of our better performers. I had a look but couldn't find the right site.

 

[PeteBlade]

As others have pointed out we were much more effective with Sammon on. Aisi there are very good reasons for this.

What he's particularly good at is holding up the ball and laying it off. The ball often sticks to him and his distribution is good. He links us together.

He also helps us defend from the front by pressurising the opposition defence. He's relatively mobile and has good stamina for this job.

What he's not particularly good at is aimless hopeful/hopeless flick ons, which is what afaict he's often being criticised for. Seems to me he's being criticised for not doing things he's not meant to do.

One of the reasons he "doesn't jump" is he's often trying to control the ball, retain possession, and bring others into the game - instead of heading it on which tends to bring the opposition into the game.

I wonder if he's being hounded out of the club, I think this would be a shame as I don't think we'll find player at our level better at what he does.

I'd be interested to see stats on how we do (eg goals scored and/or conceded) when he is on the pitch. Bergen Blade produced something similar for McEveley. I reckon he'd be one of our better performers. I had a look but couldn't find the right site.

But his touch is poor and and his passing is suspect.

On Saturday he didn't particularly put much pressure on their defence unless screamed at.

I also actually think he's rather immobile.

He didn't show evidence of any of the things you say he's good at above during the match on Saturday.

 

[Bergen Blade]

As others have pointed out we were much more effective with Sammon on. Aisi there are very good reasons for this.

What he's particularly good at is holding up the ball and laying it off. The ball often sticks to him and his distribution is good. He links us together.

He also helps us defend from the front by pressurising the opposition defence. He's relatively mobile and has good stamina for this job.

What he's not particularly good at is aimless hopeful/hopeless flick ons, which is what afaict he's often being criticised for. Seems to me he's being criticised for not doing things he's not meant to do.

One of the reasons he "doesn't jump" is he's often trying to control the ball, retain possession, and bring others into the game - instead of heading it on which tends to bring the opposition into the game.

I wonder if he's being hounded out of the club, I think this would be a shame as I don't think we'll find player at our level better at what he does.

I'd be interested to see stats on how we do (eg goals scored and/or conceded) when he is on the pitch. Bergen Blade produced something similar for McEveley. I reckon he'd be one of our better performers. I had a look but couldn't find the right site.

When Sammon's started and not:



It's from soccerbase. Their player filter lets you include sub appearances, but then there are only a handful of matches that Sammon hasn't figured in.

Sammon sometimes does strange technical errors and I think they stick in people minds. I think people still expects him to be better in the air, although that's never been a strength of his. His main contribution is strength, hard work and better mobility than most big strikers.

 

[Slim Man]

When Sammon's started and not:

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It's from soccerbase. Their player filter lets you include sub appearances, but then there are only a handful of matches that Sammon hasn't figured in.

Sammon sometimes does strange technical errors and I think they stick in people minds. I think people still expects him to be better in the air, although that's never been a strength of his. His main contribution is strength, hard work and better mobility than most big strikers.

I can honestly say, his strength and hard work are nothing to write home about of late. He looked half arsed last time out.

 

[Bergen Blade]

I can honestly say, his strength and hard work are nothing to write home about of late. He looked half arsed last time out.

Half arsed or not confident? Judging by his body language he doesn't look 100% happy. Does he have a lot of fans on his back? Is he getting on well with Sharp?

 

[Fiery Blade]

He's not very good at finishing either - the ones v Blackpool and Bradford were harder to miss than score !

 

[Slim Man]

Half arsed or not confident? Judging by his body language he doesn't look 100% happy. Does he have a lot of fans on his back? Is he getting on well with Sharp?

No excuse for not chasing down their backline. They were playing a very risk style, if Sammon had have worked as hard as Done we might have seen a very different result.

Not that many fans on his back and I can't see why him and Sharp wouldn't get on.

 

[cooperblade]

Half arsed or not confident? Judging by his body language he doesn't look 100% happy. Does he have a lot of fans on his back? Is he getting on well with Sharp?

I think his confidence is absolutely shot to pieces. It looks to me like he doesn't want to get there when he closes players down as he'd rather not have the ball so he deliberately gets there a yard too late.

He's getting criticised by the fans for some of the same things as Higdon - not winning flick-ons and seemingly not putting the effort in. Higdon's a better finisher but he doesn't offer the option of a ball over the top to run onto like Sammon does.

As with so many of our squad, we could do with combining the attributes of both of them (ideally with Done's stamina and work-rate!) to make one better player.

 

[wizadry]

Half arsed or not confident? Judging by his body language he doesn't look 100% happy. Does he have a lot of fans on his back? Is he getting on well with Sharp?

Although any one of the two could be true there really is no excuse. He gets paid a handsome some of money on a weekly basis and last week especially, he didn't deserve a penny of it. Not enough effort and a serious lack of concentration. Pure laziness bergs and we can ill afford to start carrying any more players, mate.

 

[PeteBlade]

No excuse for not chasing down their backline. They were playing a very risk style, if Sammon had have worked as hard as Done we might have seen a very different result.

Not that many fans on his back and I can't see why him and Sharp wouldn't get on.

I have to disagree about fans not being on his back.

He did a lot wrong against Peterborough IMO but the crowd certainly let him know about it.

 

[Slim Man]

I have to disagree about fans not being on his back.

He did a lot wrong against Peterborough IMO but the crowd certainly let him know about it.

I wouldn't say we're that bad tbh, he got away relatively scot-free for the level of performance he put in.

 

[PeteBlade]

I wouldn't say we're that bad tbh, he got away relatively scot-free for the level of performance he put in.

His name was cheered when announced he was being subbed and his mistakes were met with loud howls and abuse from all corners of the ground.

He's certainly a target.

 

[Slim Man]

His name was cheered when announced he was being subbed and his mistakes were met with loud howls and abuse from all corners of the ground.

He's certainly a target.

In fairness, by the way he plays football I doubt he lacks the basic intelligence to tell the difference between the ovation type cheer and the sarcastic cheer when being subbed.
He really seems to be as thick as he looks.

 

[Ricky]

Watch it now, he'll go back to Derby, all their strikers (and attacking midfielders) will get injured and he'll score the winning goal in the play off final. Like a shitter but more heroic Craig Beattie.

 

[Grappler]

His name was cheered when announced he was being subbed and his mistakes were met with loud howls and abuse from all corners of the ground.

He's certainly a target.

Agreed Pete, I am not a fan of booing individuals or sarcastically jeering/cheering them off the pitch.

 

[Booker4]

I think his confidence is absolutely shot to pieces. It looks to me like he doesn't want to get there when he closes players down as he'd rather not have the ball so he deliberately gets there a yard too late.

He's getting criticised by the fans for some of the same things as Higdon - not winning flick-ons and seemingly not putting the effort in. Higdon's a better finisher but he doesn't offer the option of a ball over the top to run onto like Sammon does.

As with so many of our squad, we could do with combining the attributes of both of them (ideally with Done's stamina and work-rate!) to make one better player.

I play amateur sport like many on here will and I know the effects of your coach/manager and teammates (or fans if you're lucky!) giving you stick and no encouragement. However the one thing that any player should do is track the opposition and their first goal started from their centre back who should have been tracked, that's Sammon's man and he gave up. When Sammon signed we were told by Derby fans that if wages were based on effort alone Sammon would be on £100,000 a week and similar comments. In my view he's as lazy as Higdon, he's a big lad who makes little attempt to jump for the ball (Millers fans warned us of that) and his finishing is at best inconsistent. He can't complain at any stick he gets right now and he's lucky to be playing for such a big club as us when every week we see better players from clubs like Gillingham.