Crowd today

[Bert]

Nonsense? Where is the nonsense? Is it nonsense to condemn the small contingent singing “town full of Pakis”? Your posts read as if you think it should be acceptable to throw the word around.


I can’t believe the blasé attitude of some on here regarding overt racism from an albeit relatively small minority. I know that ignorant minority exists but am shocked by the number of people who want to just pretend it’s not happening or that it doesn’t matter.

Did you actually hear them sing about "Pakis"?

 

[sitwell]

Sorry Sitwel I disagree re the fans importance. I personally believe that the fans of any club can have a massive difference either positively or negatively. When the crowd is nervous and quiet and then grumbles at loose passes, then it transmits to the players. It definitely can effect players, particularly those that are low on confidence or are sensitive. On the other side are you saying that a really noisy Bramall Lane of over 25,000 that gets behind our team and cheers them on doesn't have a big impact on us or the opposition? We might not kick a ball or miss a shot etc but we do play our part, just ask the managers and players, hence opposition teams always try to kick towards the Kop first half to get it out of the way and then second half we're playing towards the away end. When on song, our Kop is so loud and inspiring, but too often this season and others in League One, we're quick to grumble and wait for the team to inspire, although its a two way process of course.

I was being ironic ,as some posters think the crowd play no part in lifting the players ,in fact we are termed 'clappers'.....until we win.

 

[Golden Gordon]

I was on the kop and I didn't think they were actually singing ISIS. I thought they were singing what people usually sing at Bradford games, you know, the one beginning with P which no one is allowed to say, write, or even think about anymore in case the thought police come knocking at you door to take you away and throw you in room 101. I think singing that version may have been construed as racist but, come on, where does all this nonsense end?

Nonsense? Where is the nonsense? Is it nonsense to condemn the small contingent singing “town full of Pakis”? Your posts read as if you think it should be acceptable to throw the word around.
I can’t believe the blasé attitude of some on here regarding overt racism from an albeit relatively small minority. I know that ignorant minority exists but am shocked by the number of people who want to just pretend it’s not
happening or that it doesn’t matter.

1danewhitehouse, would you like to re-read my post? especially the words I have highlighted for you.
As you can see I haven't even written the offending word and I don't like hearing it being sung, I cringed yesterday when I thought that's what I heard and some people were, I think, trying to whistle it down.
The nonsense comment was about the original ISIS post and some people getting offended by every little thing, word or phrase that they assume to be racism (or any other 'ism' ) when it clearly isn't.
So, I'll say it again, where does it end?

 

[PeteBlade]

1danewhitehouse, would you like to re-read my post? especially the words I have highlighted for you.
As you can see I haven't even written the offending word and I don't like hearing it being sung, I cringed yesterday when I thought that's what I heard and some people were, I think, trying to whistle it down.
The nonsense comment was about the original ISIS post and some people getting offended by every little thing, word or phrase that they assume to be racism (or any other 'ism' ) when it clearly isn't.
So, I'll say it again, where does it end?

Your original post sounds like you're whining about the 'thought police' having a go at people for singing about 'a town full of P'.

I'm not sure how it could be construed any other way?

 

[Booker4]

I was being ironic ,as some posters think the crowd play no part in lifting the players ,in fact we are termed 'clappers'.....until we win.

Oh sorry Sitwell, no worries! I've been termed a clapper before, but I'll live with that, better to support than boo I always think! That changed a little when Bryan Robson was manager that said!

 

[Golden Gordon]

Your original post sounds like you're whining about the 'thought police' having a go at people for singing about 'a town full of P'.

I'm not sure how it could be construed any other way?

I'm sorry if that's how it came across and reading back perhaps you're right.
The point I was trying to make was about society in general being told what they can or cannot say or do and certain words being erased from history.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

 

[James Boreman]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

Spot on! Didn't even bother replying to some of the numbskulls on here. Quite worrying how blind these people are to racism.

 

[Bert]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

Nobody thinks it's OK, because it's not OK, it's just that some are less prone to frothing at the mouth when they hear something that they don't approve of.

 

[sitwell]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

So its Ok to call people cunts then. Got that.

 

[yorkshirecoast]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

Complete and utter drivel.

 

[Flatulent_Bob]

So its Ok to call people cunts then. Got that.

If it looks like duck, acts like a duck and sounds like a duck then I can't see the problem with saying its a duck.
It's certainly less offensive than the knuckle draggers who think calling someone a Paki or linking a football clubs fans to ISIS because of their religious beliefs.

 

[Golden Gordon]

I wasn't going to come back to this, but maybe it has nothing to do with racism at all. Maybe it was just a group of football fans singing to wind up the visiting fans. It tends to happen at a lot of games and guess what, they sing something back, everyone goes home and the deedars, scabs, dingles,scum,monkey hangers,sheep shaggers, pigs.................................................all go home and forget all about it 'til next time!

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

monkey hangers

Had to Google that one. An education.

 

[Tyler Durden]

If it looks like duck, acts like a duck and sounds like a duck then I can't see the problem with saying its a duck.
It's certainly less offensive than the knuckle draggers who think calling someone a Paki or linking a football clubs fans to ISIS because of their religious beliefs.

I'm from the Cunt community and I found it highly offensive

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Did you actually hear them sing about "Pakis"?

I thought I heard "town full of pakis" at the game. Then on here people said "town full of Isis" so I thought I was mistaken but I've seen a couple more think they heard "pakis" so perhaps I heard right after all. Thankfully, whatever it was, it was short lived and a minority but that doesn't excuse it in any way

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Your original post sounds like you're whining about the 'thought police' having a go at people for singing about 'a town full of P'.

I'm not sure how it could be construed any other way?

I'm sorry if that's how it came across and reading back perhaps you're right.
The point I was trying to make was about society in general being told what they can or cannot say or do and certain words being erased from history.

I wasn't going to come back to this, but maybe it has nothing to do with racism at all. Maybe it was just a group of football fans singing to wind up the visiting fans. It tends to happen at a lot of games and guess what, they sing something back, everyone goes home and the deedars, scabs, dingles,scum,monkey hangers,sheep shaggers, pigs.................................................all go home and forget all about it 'til next time!

I had interpreted the post the same way as Pete. In any event, I don't think the ISIS chant is much better (if at all). The racist connotations are undeniable either way. I take the point about there not being much racist intent and the intent being more about taunting opposition fans but the fact they jump on race against Bradford just highlights their own ignorance and racist outlooks. There's a million ways to engage in banter with the opposition that are OK. Racist abuse is not one of them. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go and find an education.

 

[Bert]

I thought I heard "town full of pakis" at the game. Then on here people said "town full of Isis" so I thought I was mistaken but I've seen a couple more think they heard "pakis" so perhaps I heard right after all. Thankfully, whatever it was, it was short lived and a minority but that doesn't excuse it in any way

Bert was on the Kop, he did not hear the term Pakis, not once. What a few of them were singing was not clear but it would have been if they had said Pakis.

 

[Bert]

I had interpreted the post the same way as Pete. In any event, I don't think the ISIS chant is much better (if at all). The racist connotations are undeniable either way. I take the point about there not being much racist intent and the intent being more about taunting opposition fans but the fact they jump on race against Bradford just highlights their own ignorance and racist outlooks. There's a million ways to engage in banter with the opposition that are OK. Racist abuse is not one of them. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to go and find an education.

Who on here has said that it's OK to give racist abuse?

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Who on here has said that it's OK to give racist abuse?

I don't think anyone said it was OK but quite a few have played it down as not racist or PC gone mad.

 

[Highbury_Blade]

If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.

I'll play devil's advocate here and say perhaps it was a reference to the three sisters from Bradford who joined ISIS?

That said, that nuance would have liked been lost on the majority of people who sang it (not sure of the numbers) it who probably of the opinion that Muslims == terrorists, so even if the originator was referring to the sisters*, most of the people singing it would have been singing it because it was racist.


*probably still racist though given the demographics of Bradford. But imagine for a second if the sisters had come from Chesterfield instead (muslim population 0.7%**), and that chant had been heard the next time we played them. Would that still have been racist?

**http://localstats.co.uk/census-demographics/england/east-midlands/chesterfield

 

[Dkc]

Bradford's Muslim population is made up of lots of different races and origins - mostly South Asian (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh etc) but also Arabic and North African, Turkish etc. There are even a few white Muslims. So singing a song that is derogatory to Bradford, (ie claiming that its large Muslim population means it's a "town full of ISIS,") isn't racist,( ie claiming that one race is inferior to another). It's part of the fine old terrace tradition of seizing on a distinguishing feature of an opponents city and taking the piss.

Blackpool fans can shove their tower up their arse. West Ham fans can do the same with their jellied eels and Geordies with their brown ale. Brighton is a town full of pooftahs. People from Hartlepool fans can't tell the difference between a monkey and a Frenchman. Liverpudlians are all on the dole.

"Town full of pakis" is a throwback to the old days of racism on the terraces and shouldn't be sung. I was on the kop and didn't even hear the chant, so most people must have ignored it. "Town full of ISIS" on the other hand isn't particularly witty but is just a way of winding up the opposition, as a number of ISIS supporters have indeed come from Bradford.

 

[Old Skool]

I could have sworn this thread started off praising the galvanising effect fans and players can have on each other.......(sighs). Never mind...............let's discuss demographics.. ethnographics and the growing number of gynaecologists we seem to have amongst our support !!!

 

[RossoDeltic]

On the Radio this morning it was reported that the Club have been reported to the Kick It Out campaign and that complaint has been passed to the FA. I certainly heard what was being sung/chanted and the bloke being interviewed sits in the South Stand.

 

[Darthblade]

Really good performance today but can we keep it up? God I hope so because if we can then anything is possible

Well done Blades!

Well ..... I wouldn't go so far as to say that "anything" is possible, but if we can continue to play like that, together with some appropriate signings on 1st January, we could certainly make the play-offs .....

UTB & FTP

 

[SUFC Guy]

As proven over in S6....

 

[Darthblade]

Any crowd can "sing when they're winning". Up until the goal Bradford outsung us but more importantly, round me fans were giving Done stick for some reason. When he went off injured they gave Sammon even more stick and frankly the lad's treatment at half time (just after that miss) was cruel; he was ridiculed and booed all the way off right in his face by the South Stand "supporters".. This is no way to support a team.

At the final whistle Sammon went straight down the tunnel, despite his goal. Whether he came back out I wouldn't know but as I was leaving he went straight off. That speaks volumes to me after such a great win.

Lets be fair ...... Sammon deserved a fu**ing for that miss, which was one of the worst misses I've seen in the last 10 years ..... Billy Sharp put it on a plate for him !!

I heard some people comment "even Craig Beattie could have finished that one" !!

Regrettably; he's one that needs to be replaced in January if we're to have a chance of the play-offs ......

UTB & FTP

 

[Basing Blade]

I know the ISIS chant was possibly outside the permitted boundaries, but it was good humoured.
Though I must say, ISIS is a political organisation, not a race.

 

[Darthblade]

Always embarrassed about that side of our "support" and those that try and excuse it behind PC gone mad.
If you chant or think chanting anything with the word Paki in it is OK, you are a racist cunt.
If you think signing about ISIS because Bradord has a large Muslim population is OK then you are a ignorant racist cunt.
If you really need this explaining to you, and can't see it for yourself you're a cunt.

If I called everybody a "cunt" who said, sang, or quoted things I didn't approve of then I would spend my whole life calling people cunts.

You need to chill mate ..... the world isn't a perfect place and a football crowd CERTAINLY isn't a perfect place. ANY football crowd in the world is not the place to be over-sensitive !!

UTB & FTP

 

[mosbolad]

CITY joint-chairman Mark Lawn has hit out over the alleged racist chanting that could be heard at the Sheffield United game.

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co....__racist_chants__during_Bradford_City_defeat/