Is it the defence or the keeper?

[SK10Blade]

Sitting here getting fed up that the season isn't going as well as we all would have hoped and still believing that the defence is our weak spot. Can't work out whether we are conceding too many because the keeper has no confidence in the defence or that the defence has no confidence in either keeper. Whatever way you look at it there doesn't look to be the communication between the two.

 

[SwissBlade]

Sitting here getting fed up that the season isn't going as well as we all would have hoped and still believing that the defence is our weak spot. Can't work out whether we are conceding too many because the keeper has no confidence in the defence or that the defence has no confidence in either keeper. Whatever way you look at it there doesn't look to be the communication between the two.

It's both, used to think it was just the defence, but Howard has been so shakey as well.

I'll throw centre midfield into that as well

 

[Tyler Durden]

Both are equally tosswank.

Although I do think the defence has lots of confidence in Howard since they're constantly giving him the ball, whether they need to or not.

 

[MobileBlade]

Its the midfield actually.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Both, defence are poor and not helped by the fact that we have a poor GK behind them. The last time I remember not having to take a sharp intake of breath every time the opposition goes forward was in the season we went up to the PL. There are certain players that every time the ball goes near them my heart sinks, McEveley & Collins are the 2 at the moment. Howard's goalkeeping is poor, bad starting position, average shot stopping and poor distribution (unless you count kicking it a long way as good).

 

[Blade56]

I thought it was McCabe? So barny said

 

[Bladesman]

Mostly the defence. We need a new centre back but we have known that for a while.

As for the midfield Hammond needs to get match fit quickly otherwise its a waste of time having him with us.

 

[Barney]

Keeper, defence, midfield.

All need major improvements.

End of thread.

 

[metalblade]

Defence in the main, we have no pace in there and have to defend too deep which either pulls the midfield back or leaves a gap between them. Defending deep also puts extra pressure on Howard who is distinctly average, we need two bruisers who have a bit of pace in the CB positions. I can't believe after 18 months we still have not addressed the CB problem the only answer must be that we have no money to invest in the team until we sell or let go players in January but by then it will be too late to salvage the season.

 

[Barney]

Defence in the main, we have no pace in there and have to defend too deep which either pulls the midfield back or leaves a gap between them. Defending deep also puts extra pressure on Howard who is distinctly average, we need two bruisers who have a bit of pace in the CB positions. I can't believe after 18 months we still have not addressed the CB problem the only answer must be that we have no money to invest in the team until we sell or let go players in January but by then it will be too late to salvage the season.

Worry not, Phibbs will be along with a facebook post explaining how it's not his fault.

 

[Darthblade]

Sitting here getting fed up that the season isn't going as well as we all would have hoped and still believing that the defence is our weak spot. Can't work out whether we are conceding too many because the keeper has no confidence in the defence or that the defence has no confidence in either keeper. Whatever way you look at it there doesn't look to be the communication between the two.

More than that ......

Keeper, defence and central midfield are as bad as I've seen for a few years and collectively as a unit they're not " fit for purpose " !!

However, there's more chance of me getting a " threesome " with Kelly Brook and Scarlet Johannsen than of us sorting this massive ( sorry ) deficiency quickly.

Forget this season guys, it will shortly be all " over bar the shouting ".

UTB & FTP

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

The goals we've conceded have generally been a team effort. The defence and keeper have, for the most part, played fairly well this season. Our problems are bigger than any single player.

If you're interested in why we're conceding then I'd look at Bergen's posts - and the responses. If you want to blame a scapegoat then in order it's probably:

McEveley
Collins
Howard

regardless of how they're actually playing.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

It's the defence, or more precise the lack of a dominant centre half, who wins/attacks all the first balls. Howard looked fine in goal when Maguire was in front of him, funnily enough the rest of the defence looked all right with Maguire as its lynch pin.

Adkins will solve a lot of the teams problems by purchasing a Maguire type centre half, but most fans have known this for the past 18 months.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

The style of football is more attacking as well though. We will still concede more than we did in Clough's first season because we set out to attack teams more. We'll score more and concede more as a result of that.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If you want to narrow it down to positions an alternative school of thought is that mobility in central midfield is more of a priority than CH.

 

[Patrick Suffaux]

It's everywhere other than attack basically. Our forwards collectively (Sharp, Adams, Done and Sammon to an extent) are the only ones to come out of the season so far with any credit.

 

[Dalelane01]

Sitting here getting fed up that the season isn't going as well as we all would have hoped and still believing that the defence is our weak spot. Can't work out whether we are conceding too many because the keeper has no confidence in the defence or that the defence has no confidence in either keeper. Whatever way you look at it there doesn't look to be the communication between the two.

Perhaps they got it from nigel clough regards communication once he fell out with players they quickly disappeared never to be seen again under his management speaking of disappeared that sums up our whole defence

 

[Ben_1982]

Both. Defence have no confidence in the keeper and visa versa. Trust NA to sort this tho

 

[Harry's Game]

All the keepers are a bit dodgy, Howard the least dodgy of them. The defence is weak and uncertain, the midfield is slow and has no ball winners, and the attack has been hit and miss all season.

Apart from that things aren't too bad.

 

[Tezza1889]

The goals we've conceded have generally been a team effort. The defence and keeper have, for the most part, played fairly well this season. Our problems are bigger than any single player.

If you're interested in why we're conceding then I'd look at Bergen's posts - and the responses. If you want to blame a scapegoat then in order it's probably:

McEveley
Collins
Howard

regardless of how they're actually playing.

It's fine for you to say this, free speech n all that, but these three have consistently been amateurish and inept while at this club, hardest part to swallow for me is people around me when we saw Collins first game said, league one here we come, I laughed...not funny now tho is it..

 

[Darthblade]

The goals we've conceded have generally been a team effort. The defence and keeper have, for the most part, played fairly well this season. Our problems are bigger than any single player.

If you're interested in why we're conceding then I'd look at Bergen's posts - and the responses. If you want to blame a scapegoat then in order it's probably:

McEveley
Collins
Howard

regardless of how they're actually playing.

Hate to disagree but I have only seen the defence & keeper have one decent game this season and that was Notts County in the Cup. The rest of the games, even when we haven't lost, they've looked like a calamity waiting to happen. I've lost count of the number of times we've commented " now where is that self-destruct button " ......

UTB & FTP

 

[sheffielder]

Its the midfield actually.

It's all 3 actually, so might as well chuck the strikers in too

 

[sheffielder]

What's happened to Edgar?

 

[JohnDenver]

Hate to disagree but I have only seen the defence & keeper have one decent game this season and that was Notts County in the Cup. The rest of the games, even when we haven't lost, they've looked like a calamity waiting to happen. I've lost count of the number of times we've commented " now where is that self-destruct button " ......

UTB & FTP

That's the thing. Defences generally look great when they're not put under pressure or exposed to counter attacks. Just like midfields look great when given space and time.

The fact that we readily concede goals even when opponents don't pose the above threats suggests that our defence is indeed, rubbish.

We've got the firepower to get promoted, but what's behind that is wholly inadequate.

 

[Grappler]

I often wonder if Howard has eye sight problems (seriously) because some of these long range "wonder goals" seem to happen a bit too frequently at BDTBL. A one-off is one thing, and everyone walks out of the ground saying "well, no one could have stopped that", but it seems to happen a lot to us.

On the subject of keepers, the lad in goal for Port Vale was excellent, he would be on my radar if I was NA.

 

[alcoblade]

I often wonder if Howard has eye sight problems (seriously) because some of these long range "wonder goals" seem to happen a bit too frequently at BDTBL. A one-off is one thing, and everyone walks out of the ground saying "well, no one could have stopped that", but it seems to happen a lot to us.

On the subject of keepers, the lad in goal for Port Vale was excellent, he would be on my radar if I was NA.

I've never questioned his eyesight but I've commented a number of times in the number of wonder goals we seem to concede.

It does make you wonder.

UTB

 

[Grappler]

I've never questioned his eyesight but I've commented a number of times in the number of wonder goals we seem to concede.

It does make you wonder.

UTB

I am just wondering if he can't judge distance properly mate? If a player like Joe Garner bangs in a great free kick, you take it on the chin, but when these long range goals continue, some of which don't exactly move with missile-like pace, makes you wonder.