Academy slowing up?

[Barney]

Has anyone else noticed the difference in quality? Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Jagielka, Matt Lowton, Harry Maguire, Quinn and Tongue to the point where the only academy graduates pushing for a place in the first eleven are the likes of Louis Reed.

The difference in quality is considerable. The players we're seemingly looking to bring through now are noticeably smaller and weaker. Louis Reed is the epiphany of that. Smaller, weaker, less talented. You'd have thought playing at a lower level would help the younger players come through. The academy's drop in performance levels are beginning to co-incide with that of the senior squad, and that's got to be unsettling.

 

[Rodley]

I'm noticing a decline in the quality of trolling on here. Zzzzzzz

 

[Barney]

I'm noticing a decline in the quality of trolling on here. Zzzzzzz

Play the post, not the poster.

Unless you need to up your like count. Digs at my posts are usually reliable on that front.

 

[Pedro Verde]

Having another go at the club again its getting quite tiresome yaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

 

[Harry's Game]

Has anyone else noticed the difference in quality? Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Jagielka, Matt Lowton, Harry Maguire, Quinn and Tongue to the point where the only academy graduates pushing for a place in the first eleven are the likes of Louis Reed.

The difference in quality is considerable. The players we're seemingly looking to bring through now are noticeably smaller and weaker. Louis Reed is the epiphany of that. Smaller, weaker, less talented. You'd have thought playing at a lower level would help the younger players come through. The academy's drop in performance levels are beginning to co-incide with that of the senior squad, and that's got to be unsettling.

Can anyone help put this one back in its box?

 

[Sean Thornton]

Lenners has being doing this for some time and still is in fact.

Can't see the need for a tribute act. It's like watching crap on Dave.

 

[Foxy]

How are we quantifying this?

We've been consistently in the top 20 in the country in terms of "production rates" over the last 12-15 years.

We've also recently been independently classed as the 8th best.

 

[Barney]

Can anyone help put this one back in its box?

I didn't know pigs lived in boxes.

You just scream intelligence.

 

[zablade]

Has anyone else noticed the difference in quality? Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Jagielka, Matt Lowton, Harry Maguire, Quinn and Tongue to the point where the only academy graduates pushing for a place in the first eleven are the likes of Louis Reed.

The difference in quality is considerable. The players we're seemingly looking to bring through now are noticeably smaller and weaker. Louis Reed is the epiphany of that. Smaller, weaker, less talented. You'd have thought playing at a lower level would help the younger players come through. The academy's drop in performance levels are beginning to co-incide with that of the senior squad, and that's got to be unsettling.

Can you point me in the direction of one positive post you have made about United? Just one?

I don't know about a Len tribute act this is getting to Stanno proportions

 

[SwissBlade]

Has anyone else noticed the difference in quality? Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Jagielka, Matt Lowton, Harry Maguire, Quinn and Tongue to the point where the only academy graduates pushing for a place in the first eleven are the likes of Louis Reed.

The difference in quality is considerable. The players we're seemingly looking to bring through now are noticeably smaller and weaker. Louis Reed is the epiphany of that. Smaller, weaker, less talented. You'd have thought playing at a lower level would help the younger players come through. The academy's drop in performance levels are beginning to co-incide with that of the senior squad, and that's got to be unsettling.

Reed plus several others with squad numbers and coming through slowly. Whether they make it is as much down to opportunity with us and farming them to other clubs.

Sadly for the last 5 years we've been in league one, which seemed to be where we used to loan youngsters to.

Think it's fair to say we've had a good number coming through and perhaps were just having a leaner spell.

 

[Harry's Game]

I didn't know pigs lived in boxes.

You just scream intelligence.

It's becoming farely obvious to every one on here what you scream (squeal?)

 

[Barney]

How are we quantifying this?

We've been consistently in the top 20 in the country in terms of "production rates" over the last 12-15 years.

We've also recently been independently classed as the 8th best.

We're quantifying it based on how many competent footballers we're bringing through. Not "production rates".

Kyle Walker to Louis Reed. It doesn't take a genius to be aware of the incredible reduction in quality.

 

[Caseh]

2/10, must try harder.

 

[Barney]

It's becoming farely obvious to every one on here what you scream (squeal?)

*fairly

Would you like to offer an explanation as to why a perfectly reasonable and truthful post about the academy equates to me supporting the pigs?

 

[Foxy]

We're quantifying it based on how many competent footballers we're bringing through.

Kyle Walker to Louis Reed. It doesn't take a genius to be aware of the incredible reduction in quality.

'Production rates' and ratings count for nothing when you have zero to show for it.

You use Reedy's name as if you've written him off as crap, there's a quality footballer in there, despite his lack of the modern day ideal footballing build (like Che Adams).

Whether or not he'll continue to develop remains to be seen, but it's very unfair to write him off at this stage of his career.

Surely production rates and ratings are a fairly sensible way to compare our academy with other academies?

Do you see much of our academy sides?

 

[Lane Ender]

Calvin Lewin think he could be something special.

 

[sitwell]

*fairly

Would you like to offer an explanation as to why a perfectly reasonable and truthful post about the academy equates to me supporting the pigs?

Im undecided who the pigs are to you.
Serious question ,do you purposely set out to get peoples back up ,do you really not like United or are you totally ignorant of what you do ?

 

[Harry's Game]

*fairly

Would you like to offer an explanation as to why a perfectly reasonable and truthful post about the academy equates to me supporting the pigs?

Just this Academy post is it that sees every respondent to this thread not take anything you have to say remotely seriously? Just this post? Just this subject? Not the dozen or so pathetic wumming attempts in the past month?

 

[Barney]

You use Reedy's name as if you've written him off as crap, there's a quality footballer in there, despite his lack of the modern day ideal footballing build (like Che Adams).

Whether or not he'll continue to develop remains to be seen, but it's very unfair to write him off at this stage of his career.

Surely production rates and ratings are a fairly sensible way to compare our academy with other academies?

Do you see much of our academy sides?

I think you're missing the point. It's perfectly reasonable to judge an academy's performance based on how regularly players of quality are coming through. There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't. I don't think it requires production rates and ratings to know that, just a regular attendance of first team games.

 

[wizadry]

Has anyone else noticed the difference in quality? Kyle Walker, Kyle Naughton, Jagielka, Matt Lowton, Harry Maguire, Quinn and Tongue to the point where the only academy graduates pushing for a place in the first eleven are the likes of Louis Reed.

The difference in quality is considerable. The players we're seemingly looking to bring through now are noticeably smaller and weaker. Louis Reed is the epiphany of that. Smaller, weaker, less talented. You'd have thought playing at a lower level would help the younger players come through. The academy's drop in performance levels are beginning to co-incide with that of the senior squad, and that's got to be unsettling.

I personally think that our managers over recent years have been under real pressure to get us up to the Championship meaning they've not wanted to take many chances on our academy lads and wanted more experienced players playing the main roles, ultimately, it hasn't worked out as expected for the previous managers and it's a fine line between getting the right balance of youth and experience.

I also don't think that some of our youngsters could have done any worse than some of the shit we've been served up at the lane over recent years (cup runs apart), and it could have saved us an hell of a lot of money if we'd have played some of them over the money earners at the club, meaning Adkins could have had a bigger budget this season and we wouldn't have been taking any risks what so ever on the financial side of things (not that we go overboard anyway). All this might seem like hindsight to some people but i did say it not so long into last season on here and i will stick by it.

A lot of clubs go places by playing hungry up and coming players rather than the journeymen who just want to pick up a decent paycheck, that's just how i see it anyway. Alternatively, we could just have some shite youngsters but i don't think that's the case.

 

[Barney]

Im undecided who the pigs are to you.
Serious question ,do you purposely set out to get peoples back up ,do you really not like United or are you totally ignorant of what you do ?

I'm offering a perfectly truthful post on the academy. You're always so keen to take things off topic, but you never actually challenge anything I say. It's as though you just see the poster name and hysterically jump in without actually considering what you're disagreeing with.

 

[Grappler]

I think you're missing the point. It's perfectly reasonable to judge an academy's performance based on how regularly players of quality are coming through. There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't. I don't think it requires production rates and ratings to know that, just a regular attendance of first team games.

"....There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't...."

You mean now there aren't

multiple people, "he is", "they are"

oh the irony...you just scream intelligence....etc., etc.

 

[Barney]

"....There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't...."

You mean now there aren't

multiple people, "he is", "they are"

oh the irony...you just scream intelligence....etc., etc.

A little less worrying than an absence of capital letters at the beginning of sentences.

If you're going to correct someone, at least make sure you're above primary school levels yourself.

 

[zablade]

I'm offering a perfectly truthful post on the academy. You're always so keen to take things off topic, but you never actually challenge anything I say. It's as though you just see the poster name and hysterically jump in without actually considering what you're disagreeing with.

But all your posts are a variation on the same nonsense anyway.

 

[Grappler]

A little less worrying than an absence of capital letters at the beginning of sentences.

If you're going to correct someone, at least make sure you're above primary school levels yourself.

Correcting "someone" who seems to think he is better than SUFC fans, typical arrogant grunter.

Look, Owls Talk is open, you can go and talk to your mates, on there, you are just tiresome now.

Your club will never have an academy to rival ours, no matter you say. .

 

[Grappler]

But all your posts are a variation on the same nonsense anyway.

Just like on Sheffield Forum, but he never used a spellchecker on that one, so he was even easier to trip up.

 

[Barney]

Correcting "someone" who seems to think he is better than SUFC fans, typical arrogant grunter.

Look, Owls Talk is open, you can go and talk to your mates, on there, you are just tiresome now.

Your club will never have an academy to rival ours, no matter you say. .

You're admitting you think you're better than the SUFC fans?

 

[finlaytheblade]

I'm offering a perfectly truthful post on the academy. You're always so keen to take things off topic, but you never actually challenge anything I say. It's as though you just see the poster name and hysterically jump in without actually considering what you're disagreeing with.

If your that interested in the academy why don't you go to shire Cliffe and see for yourself you might get a pleasant surprise.
By the way we played Bradford at the lane earlier this week that would have been a good opportunity to make your own mind up.
I think wizardry is right about the pressure on managers makes it difficult to put them in we do have some very promising young
attacking players coming through and Ramsdale (goalie ) was outstanding against Bradford. You can't be that interested if you don't make the effort to watch them or is it you just having another dig at our beloved blades???

 

[Foxy]

I think you're missing the point. It's perfectly reasonable to judge an academy's performance based on how regularly players of quality are coming through. There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't. I don't think it requires production rates and ratings to know that, just a regular attendance of first team games.

But how do you benchmark an academy without comparing it to the other academies when there isn't a set quota of expected first team professional footballers a year to measure against? Year groups and individuals obvious differ in quality and their development isn't always as predictable as you'd like.

Of the players you mentioned, all made their debuts older than Louis Reed. Without checking the numbers, I'd say Quinn, Walker and Naughton definitely made their debut older than Reedy is today. Lowton started in the first team 4 years older than Reedy, having already been sent out to Ferencvaros with his contract expiring. I'm not saying Reedy will have a career on par or better than any of the above, but it's certainly too early to say - you sound like you've written him off.

You've only mentioned 7 players spanning 11 years, so how many of their quality would you expect us to produce over what period of time?

 

[BornOnShorehamStreet]

*fairly

Would you like to offer an explanation as to why a perfectly reasonable and truthful post about the academy equates to me supporting the pigs?

I think you're missing the point. It's perfectly reasonable to judge an academy's performance based on how regularly players of quality are coming through. There used to be quite a few, and now there isn't. I don't think it requires production rates and ratings to know that, just a regular attendance of first team games.

*aren't



Oops, sorry Grappler, missed your post ...