Jim Phipps on Facebook

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Is there a.conflict in Jim's statement?

I can't easily see it on my phone but from memory he says spending is £21m - he also mentions a figure of £25m by the end of this season. Great that means we'll be spending £4m in the JTW I thought. Hmmm. Just to check I reread and it says the £21m is also by the end of this season.

So is it £21m or £25m? Am I missing something?

This is not a moan - I'm trying to understand the statement.

We got two shit hot players joining in Jan.


or just one on crazy money.


or four mediocre players.


or eight shitbags.

Take yer pick.

 

[robbiez666]

Is there a.conflict in Jim's statement?

I can't easily see it on my phone but from memory he says spending is £21m - he also mentions a figure of £25m by the end of this season. Great that means we'll be spending £4m in the JTW I thought. Hmmm. Just to check I reread and it says the £21m is also by the end of this season.

So is it £21m or £25m? Am I missing something?

This is not a moan - I'm trying to understand the statement.

I don't know really, he states they've invest £3 million plus the Maguire fee already on players (which I'd question unless they include paying wages in that (which they shouldn't really)

At the very least he's committed to spending the Murphy money in full in the JTW. We'll see come the end of the transfer window but I hold out little hope that this will be the case or it won;t be all invested in a player we have little need of like last year.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

All the deep debate on this thread would be solved with the signing of a half decent centre half. Top and bottom of it.

So suggest that.

At CH in the squad we have Edgar, Collins, Basham, Kennedy, McGahey. McEveley has also played there.

I think midfield is more of a priority, as that is where our defensive problems - and in some formations creative limitations - are.

These things are only simple if you don't engage with alternative povs.

 

[robbiez666]

Where has he asked the fans how to do his job?

the quite at the bottom of the op

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I agree with the broader point but the Prince is nothing more than the beneficiary of inherited wealth, rather than a wise businessman, isn't he?

Aiui he made money selling loo roll.

I imagine it probably helps your business if you're part of the Royal Family, but he didn't just inherit millions and then look for places to squander it.

 

[Grecian2000]

There are two really interesting posts on this thread:

1. WHF posts a huge FaceBook conversation.
Wow, Facebook is more full of cunts than even I thought it was.

2. Cooperblade suggests Jim is spending too much time listening to them.
Too fucking right. Get the fuck off there and leave them to implode in their own self importance.

I come on here to have a laugh and a bit of banter here and there. I'd be mortified if I thought we'd got people in high places taking any notice of us. Madness.

 

[Whiston Blade]

Aiui he made money selling loo roll.

I imagine it probably helps your business if you're part of the Royal Family, but he didn't just inherit millions and then look for places to squander it.

Maybe so but it's not like we were top of his "want" list was it ? He wanted to buy the San Francisco 49ers, the NFL stopped him (for what reason I can't remember). He then looked at Leeds United, didn't like the look of them and eventually we flashed up on his radar. I'm sure he has the best intentions, actually I'm certain he does as he wants to make money. But at the same time it's crap to know, we were his third choice (there could have been more clubs he looked at).

I'll try and put it another way, if I want to buy a new car and for whatever reason can't get it, I don't pick an inferior one just because I didn't get the one I wanted. HRH, wanted the 49ers, a globally recognised club, couldn't and finally "made do" with Sheffield United F.C.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Maybe so but it's not like we were top of his "want" list was it ? He wanted to buy the San Francisco 49ers, the NFL stopped him (for what reason I can't remember). He then looked at Leeds United, didn't like the look of them and eventually we flashed up on his radar. I'm sure he has the best intentions, actually I'm certain he does as he wants to make money. But at the same time it's crap to know, we were his third choice (there could have been more clubs he looked at).

I'll try and put it another way, if I want to buy a new car and for whatever reason can't get it, I don't pick an inferior one just because I didn't get the one I wanted. HRH, wanted the 49ers, a globally recognised club, couldn't and finally "made do" with Sheffield United F.C.

From memory he compared us with L**ds and decided we were a better option. This was bc of the way L**ds was run at the time.

Don't know anything about NFL connections but buying the 49ers would require more than £20m I reckon.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Maybe so but it's not like we were top of his "want" list was it ? He wanted to buy the San Francisco 49ers, the NFL stopped him (for what reason I can't remember). He then looked at Leeds United, didn't like the look of them and eventually we flashed up on his radar. I'm sure he has the best intentions, actually I'm certain he does as he wants to make money. But at the same time it's crap to know, we were his third choice (there could have been more clubs he looked at).

I'll try and put it another way, if I want to buy a new car and for whatever reason can't get it, I don't pick an inferior one just because I didn't get the one I wanted. HRH, wanted the 49ers, a globally recognised club, couldn't and finally "made do" with Sheffield United F.C.

If he was serious about the 49ers then we really do need to look after him.

 

[Worksop II]

From memory he compared us with L**ds and decided we were a better option. This was bc of the way L**ds was run at the time.

Don't know anything about NFL connections but buying the 49ers would require more than £20m I reckon.

Probably closer to a Billion

 

[Worksop II]

Crap guess - 2.7 Billion

 

[MobileBlade]

I don't know really, he states they've invest £3 million plus the Maguire fee already on players (which I'd question unless they include paying wages in that (which they shouldn't really)

At the very least he's committed to spending the Murphy money in full in the JTW. We'll see come the end of the transfer window but I hold out little hope that this will be the case or it won;t be all invested in a player we have little need of like last year.

Under FA rules transfer fees have to go into P&L not capital. If we did what you say we could only replace someone on £2k per week and a £3million fee by paying £3 million and paying them £2k per week. L

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

Proves what I've said for ages about Clough being allowed to do whatever the hell he wanted. It's unbelievable that they let him. It was all about him, not Sheffield United. Never has a man so thoroughly deserved the sack.

It might have bit them in the arse but letting the manager manage is surely the right way to do it?

Trouble is it bite them with Robson as well?

 

[PeteBlade]

I agree Bushy, Pete is not thinking straight.

The owners of our club are captains of industry, wise and successful business people they would not risk millions of pounds on a football club investment. It does not make sense.

Sure, they would like to make a profit, but outside of the Premier League (and even within) that is highly unlikely. Football clubs are very very bad investments, with only a few exceptions.

If they wanted to make money there are easier opportunities.

HH

You appear to be having your very own straw man that makes absolutely no sense as you're desperate to appear in the childish little tags to like to box people off in such as 'negative nellies'.

Your argument seems to be that they aren't here purely to make money which is complete nonsense as Phippps himself used the phrase "First and foremost, we're here to make money".

So, are you calling him a liar?

 

[Ricky]

It might have bit them in the arse but letting the manager manage is surely the right way to do it?

Not when the manager is acting rashly and irresponsibly and his signings aren't making the desired impact.

Fact is, most managers barely last two years nowadays so allowing them to disregard club strategy and really push the financial boundaries is foolish unless they already have a convincing record of success.

The club have to be in charge of the manager, the manager should never be in charge of the club. Certainly not one like Nigel Clough. It really did anger me seeing United bend over for someone like him.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

Over £4million to come in investment and/or re-investment over the course of the remainder of the season then? I really hope it’s the former and this isn’t a way of preparing us for another big sale in January only to boast of reinvesting the money.

Sell Adams/Done/Brayford for £5million. Make £4million available for wages and say that we have upped the total investment/reinvestment to £25million?

 

[derryblade]

where we allowed the Technical Board process to be thoroughly undermined by a gaffer, who was not interested in the process;

Would like to see a reaction from Nigel Clough on that statement, to get a balanced view.

 

[Houston_Blade]

Well done Jim Phipps, this is as clear a communication as we've ever had out of a board member. Don't agree with it all but at least he's trying to be transparent. I hope Mr Clough or any future employers of his don't read this as it's very scathing on him. I also read it that he's not entirely happy with Mal Brannigan in all of this but before the "where does he say that then" police come out it's just my reading of the statement.

Slight criticism if any, wouldn't the official site be the best place to post such a thing so it's available to all blades fans?

 

[Rodders]

I don't get how Clough undermined the process - surely the Club has the final say on player incomings? Did he march Coutts into McCabe/Phippsy's office and say "right, I want to sign him"?

 

[alcoblade]

where we allowed the Technical Board process to be thoroughly undermined by a gaffer, who was not interested in the process;

Would like to see a reaction from Nigel Clough on that statement, to get a balanced view.

Me too. Either the process doesn't work, or he didn't follow it. They need to know for sure, because the result is evidently substandard.

UTB

 

[Darthblade]

All the deep debate on this thread would be solved with the signing of a half decent centre half. Top and bottom of it.

I'm afraid to say that after watching us labour to lose to a very ordinary, hard-working, physical Millwall side on Saturday, we need to add to our shopping list a bit if we want to stay in the play-off places.

I would suggest we need 2 x CH, CM, winger with pace who can cross a ball, CF with pace and strength who can score goals, GK and 11 rockets to shove up arses just prior to kick-off !!

I believe we're quite close to the point where automatic places are a pipe-dream already, due to our own inaction
UTB & FTP

 

[Caseh]

I might have a comment on Bournemouth or Brentford.

I'd be in with a chance at complementing them on how a club should be run.

Brentford? I think you need to look much more closely at how they are being run. The chairman is on your levels of lunacy.

 

[derryblade]

I don't get how Clough undermined the process - surely the Club has the final say on player incomings? Did he march Coutts into McCabe/Phippsy's office and say "right, I want to sign him"?

That's the part that confuses me, Brannigan is involved in the recruitment process but as yet hasn't been taken to task.NC was allowed to recruit without restriction, Brought in Done and Brayford half way through season, with JP getting over excited at his arrival, still no apparent problems in recruitment. After the Swindon play off defeat JP backed the manager and players, close season they allowed NC to address the retained list and hand out extended contracts and identify further recruitment. On any level it doesn't add up.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

I don't get how Clough undermined the process - surely the Club has the final say on player incomings? Did he march Coutts into McCabe/Phippsy's office and say "right, I want to sign him"?

You would think so. Perhaps when he says they "allowed" it, he means they were led by Clough and in hindsight many of the calls were wrong?

 

[PeteBlade]

Brentford? I think you need to look much more closely at how they are being run. The chairman is on your levels of lunacy.

He also though Mammadov was a good example of attracting investment so I wouldn't put too much stock in his opinions on investment.

 

[Davie Blade]

One of my ongoing concerns is that our board (and Jim Phipps in particular) pay too much heed to the noisy minority on twitter / facebook.

Well thank goodness the nosiy minority shouted long and hard, pointing out the numerous failing of Nigel Clough.
Nothing would ever change if it weren't for a few in the minority challenging the status quo.

 

[JJ Sefton]

For those who have followed closely, you already know that, on the money front, HRH has, for his part, put in GBP 13 Million in the last 2.25 years, the most recent GBP 3 Million during the most recent close season. This capital injection has enabled the Club to do the things that enabled it to secure GBP 4 Million in cup winnings over the last two season (GBP 3 Million of which has been applied to first team football; and about GBP 1 million to Desso pitch at BDTBL and on new training pitches). The prince's investment has also allowed the Club to apply/allocate all (that's 100%) of the proceeds from player sales to first team football. In total, that's investment/re-investment of GBP 21 Million into the football club in a brief 2.25 year period. By L1 standards, that is a fairly substantial sum. (For those who imagine otherwise, the Club has not made a distribution of profits to owners, since we came in late Summer 2013, because the Club operates at a deficit year in and year out.)

During the months ahead, the owners plan to inject further monies into the club to ensure that the Club has every chance of achieving its goal of going up this season in the automatic positions. In all, investment/re-investment during the most recent three L1 season, including the current season, will top GBP 25 Million by season end.

 

[Alfreton14Blade]

That's the part that confuses me, Brannigan is involved in the recruitment process but as yet hasn't been taken to task.NC was allowed to recruit without restriction, Brought in Done and Brayford half way through season, with JP getting over excited at his arrival, still no apparent problems in recruitment. After the Swindon play off defeat JP backed the manager and players, close season they allowed NC to address the retained list and hand out extended contracts and identify further recruitment. On any level it doesn't add up.

My reading of it is that they implicitly trusted the manager to take overall charge in Cloughy's case. The process was put in place but it was left to Clough to follow (or not, as he saw fit). If we'd have got promoted, then fine. Even without getting promoted, still fine if Cloughy agreed to stick to the agreed process in future (possibly, this is me surmising). Basically, they got their hands burnt though.

Now though, there is ongoing communication between board & a communicative manager (as opposed to leaving things to a manager who wants to micromanage & be in full control). This isn't to say that the new methods are faultless, far from it - why the incredible delays in getting Dean Hammond in?; is Martyn Woolford a quality rather than a quantity signing?... But they are preferrable methods all round, I'd have thought.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

I don't get how Clough undermined the process - surely the Club has the final say on player incomings? Did he march Coutts into McCabe/Phippsy's office and say "right, I want to sign him"?

Think Coutts limped in supporting himself up on Wallace's wheelchair.

 

[Grecian2000]

Well thank goodness the nosiy minority shouted long and hard, pointing out the numerous failing of Nigel Clough.
Nothing would ever change if it weren't for a few in the minority challenging the status quo.

and nor should it if you're just listening to a bunch of cock sockets on Face Twat. Wouldn't want a Sunday League team run like that never mind a fucking professional football club.

Look forward to the next minority stamping their feet and pouting.