Incoming? Dan Burn

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Stretch said:
Basham will be fine as part of a proper CM pairing. At the minute his options for a partner all have consistency or fitness issues.

Hammond (or a similar player) would fix the problem immediately
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Completely disagree - Bash is no where near a CM
He might like to play there cos he has more "involvement" in the game but unless he plays as a CB he is a liability.
Only once in all his time has he been a goal threat - that header at Swindon when we were 3-0 down - other than that he can't read the passage of play in an attacking sense.
Even as a CB I'd leave him back for corners, he's that ineffective.

Never see Bash bully an opponent or get nasty when the going gets tough - he just seems to hide and make headless chicken runs

I don't think it will be cured by a better partner, either - he looks the same regardless of who he is paired with.

Having said all that I have no porbs with him playing at Centre Back - it's his only decent position
 

Kenilworth said:
Completely disagree - Bash is no where near a CM
He might like to play there cos he has more "involvement" in the game but unless he plays as a CB he is a liability.
Only once in all his time has he been a goal threat - that header at Swindon when we were 3-0 down - other than that he can't read the passage of play in an attacking sense.
Even as a CB I'd leave him back for corners, he's that ineffective.

Never see Bash bully an opponent or get nasty when the going gets tough - he just seems to hide and make headless chicken runs

I don't think it will be cured by a better partner, either - he looks the same regardless of who he is paired with.

Having said all that I have no porbs with him playing at Centre Back - it's his only decent position
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All about opinions I suppose but I see a bit more in him than you describe. He is by no means a midfield general (in the classic sense) but he puts himself about and is the only CM we have who seems capable of putting in a tackle. I agree that he isn't a goal threat but that's not his game, even if he thinks it is.
 
Liaminho9 said:
Taken too long and missed the boat it seems.
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Always the danger – situations change, and a couple of injuries can quickly make someone previously unlikely to feature all of a sudden become needed.

We can't afford to wait any longer on this one, so it's probably Adkins and co looked at alternatives (if they haven't been doing already). Hammond seems much more out of the picture, so you would assume that may still be on the cards. That would include reassessing options in the squad – I agree with suggestions on other threads that we might look at Basham to be that additional centre-half and look at other options in the middle of midfield.
 
Serves us right for not signing him when we could have. I can't believe we've been so careless yet again.

Now it's anybody's guess if we'll be able to get him at all.
 

LoughboroBlade said:
Always the danger – situations change, and a couple of injuries can quickly make someone previously unlikely to feature all of a sudden become needed.

We can't afford to wait any longer on this one, so it's probably Adkins and co looked at alternatives (if they haven't been doing already). Hammond seems much more out of the picture, so you would assume that may still be on the cards. That would include reassessing options in the squad – I agree with suggestions on other threads that we might look at Basham to be that additional centre-half and look at other options in the middle of midfield.
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Completely agree with your comments re. Basham. I think he is ineffective in Midfield and would much rather see him at Centre Back.
 
Ricky said:
Serves us right for not signing him when we could have. I can't believe we've been so careless yet again.

Now it's anybody's guess if we'll be able to get him at all.
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The situation you refer to never existed. As with all transfers/loans it's a three-way process, so as much as we might have wanted Burn there needs to be agreement amongst all parties. Same applies to Hammond and whoever else we're interested in. Don't allow your desperation to invent situations that never existed.
 
Surprise surprise. We "Try" to sign players before deadline day and then "there's always the loan window" then " we need to wait because of the 93 day rule".

What happens. Same fucking thing that happens every season. Said signing doesn't come off because parent club decide they want him or need to get a replacement before they let him go or someone comes in and gazumps us. This club just does not learn. Perhaps, if we were bidding to prize players from clubs that didn't want rid (best players from our league and the one below) our deals wouldn't all be dependant on said player remaining unwanted.
 
itsinyerblood said:
The situation you refer to never existed. As with all transfers/loans it's a three-way process, so as much as we might have wanted Burn there needs to be agreement amongst all parties. Same applies to Hammond and whoever else we're interested in. Don't allow your desperation to invent situations that never existed.
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It's been reported in more than one place that everything was agreed and it was just a case of timing. There's every reason to believe we could have got him in before Fulham got these injuries - the injuries are what prompted his sudden unavailability. What is there to suggest we couldn't have signed him at any point, before the injuries?

Desperation? I should think so. We've been here 5 years and have just lost two consecutive home games to Bury and Colchester shipping 6 goals. We are not currently good enough. We need to be picking up points as soon as possible because all the other likely contenders are still struggling for form. The first half of the season could well be our best chance and we seem to be wasting it.
 
Ricky said:
It's been reported in more than one place that everything was agreed and it was just a case of timing. There's every reason to believe we could have got him in before Fulham got these injuries - the injuries are what prompted his sudden unavailability. What is there to suggest we couldn't have signed him at any point, before the injuries?

Desperation? I should think so. We've been here 5 years and have just lost two consecutive home games to Bury and Colchester shipping 6 goals. We are not currently good enough. We need to be picking up points as soon as possible because all the other likely contenders are still struggling for form. The first half of the season could well be our best chance and we seem to be wasting it.
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Your last couple of sentences aren't in dispute, but they're not relevant to my post.

Yes, It's been made clear that Burn and Hammond are/have been targets for Adkin. Does it not occur to you that the reason a deal wasn't done as quickly as you suggest was because it wasn't solely United's decision? It's no more complicated than that. What are these reasons you refer to to suggest we could have signed Burn earlier? The fact that we were interested in the player? The fact that Adkins had made him a target for the club? As I said, and I'm happy to repeat, it's a three-way process, the selling club, the player, and the buying club. Unless all three are willing for a deal to commence it doesn't happen. As Kit Symons has been quoted, if it was down to Burn he'd come to United, but it's not only Burn who makes that decision, his current club have a say too.
 
Why would Fulham have blocked any deal before these injuries? If the deal was agreed, as widely reported, then they were obviously willing to let him leave before this situation developed.

If United hadn't foolishly delayed it, he'd be our player already. Probably with no recall clause.
 
Ricky said:
Why would Fulham have blocked any deal before these injuries? If the deal was agreed, as widely reported, then they were obviously willing to let him leave before this situation developed.

If United hadn't foolishly delayed it, he'd be our player already. Probably with no recall clause.
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How do you know that any of your theory was true? Because that's all it is, a theory that you've convinced yourself must be true. Were you involved in this on United's behalf? I know I wasn't so I can't be as dogmatic as you are about what happened.
 
itsinyerblood said:
How do you know that any of your theory was true? Because that's all it is, a theory that you've convinced yourself must be true. Were you involved in this on United's behalf? I know I wasn't so I can't be as dogmatic as you are about what happened.
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Fair enough. Do you think we are dealing well with strengthening the squad?
 
Now Symons has actually confirmed that Burn would already be here if it was up to him, the only way this 'theory' wouldn't be true is if there's been a lot of inaccurate reporting in places that usually only report concrete information.
 
Revolution said:
Fair enough. Do you think we are dealing well with strengthening the squad?
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Do you think I am ITK? I think we should have added at least one more central defender, but then I've watched United long enough to know where their weaknesses lie.

Maybe Adkins thought we might have enough within the squad to compensate, but I guess he's now on a quick learning curve and will do what he can to correct this situation. What I do know is this, we cannot continue to sack managers just because we get the hump and play at armchair manager without having a clue about the problems that have to be confronted.

Everyone was agreed when Adkins was the best candidate for the position of our manager. Unless anyone can realistically suggest how we can improve on this, we'll just have to let the guy do what he feels is necessary in order to make his team worthy of promotion.
 
Ricky said:
Now Symons has actually confirmed that Burn would already be here if it was up to him, the only way this 'theory' wouldn't be true is if there's been a lot of inaccurate reporting in places that usually only report concrete information.
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You've answered your own question. If it was down to Burn.....but it's not, it's down to Fulham as well, and I guess they have their reasons for not agreeing to this loan.
 
itsinyerblood said:
You've answered your own question. If it was down to Burn.....but it's not, it's down to Fulham as well, and I guess they have their reasons for not agreeing to this loan.
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Good reasons too - three defensive injuries. But they've only recently sustained them. Before that, according to all reports, they had already agreed to this loan and we were just waiting, for some stupid reason. Symons doesn't say anywhere that Fulham were delaying his release. I hope they're short term injuries but no doubt they'll be long term ones.
 

Ricky said:
Good reasons too - three defensive injuries. But they've only recently sustained them. Before that, according to all reports, they had already agreed to this loan and we were just waiting, for some stupid reason. Symons doesn't say anywhere that Fulham were delaying his release. I hope they're short term injuries but no doubt they'll be long term ones.
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Neither does there appear a report of Adkins delaying this loan. I've got to hand it to you Ricky, relying on a report, as if this was an agreement, is stretching matters. As for those three injuries, you've somehow managed to timeshift matters and use these as the only reason for the delay. As I've already said, I wasn't involved and neither were you, so how can you actually know what has happened?
 
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