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Before I get stuck in, let me make clear my stance on the manager. I do not want him sacked. That would be both pointless and cost worthy, neither of which can be afforded to happen in our circumstances.

I mentioned pre-season before and after Clough was sacked and Adkins appointed the direction I thought we ought to be heading in. A direction that attempted to offload the array of mediocre, lethargic fools Clough had a passion for. A direction that signed talented, physical athletes of whom actually have a desire to play for the shirt they pull on.

Instead, Adkins started out by 'assessing what we have'. An awful decision. From that moment is when my doubts over this season began to arise. Video footage/analysis of last seasons games is all it would have taken to clarify this bunch of jokers really are the same ones that finished 20 points off promotion last season, and even more off 1st position.

After this month long assessment, Adkins then continues to ignore the number one priority of 10 months, the gaping hole in the defence. In fact, it took him over 2 months to sign a defender, in which time he'd had no trouble in bringing in two overpriced strikers and a journeyman winger that a club in our league released.

It had to take a 4-0 demolition to finally wake him up. From that point I think he realised how large of a mistake it was to sit on his hands for 2 months fucking around with players we didn't need half as much as defenders.

It even looked as though we were quite content heading in to the season with McEveley and Collins as a CB pairing. How silly does that look now?

I'm not going to propose a proportionality of blame between the board and the manager but ultimately Adkins must surely shoulder a good portion of responsibility for the mistakes that are proving so costly now.

As harsh as it sounds, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting those desperately needed players in. Not having the finances available doesn't wash with me either, the money spent on Sharp, Sammon and Woolford was there to be spent and spent wisely. And no doubt that would have been a lot of money for this league with how much we dished out for Sharp and are currently dishing out for the 3 wages.

As a side note, this is neither hysterics nor a meltdown before anyone pipes up with that one. Merely a reflection and realisation of how bad things have become.

As for Jim and Adkins' twitter antics; Sorry but wouldn't it be far more beneficial to focus on sorting out mine and many others beloved club before you make up bullshit excuses to not spend a penny of the money we got for selling our best player. And sorry but after successive home defeats to Bury and Colchester, the last things I want to see from the manager is some desperate bullshit post about riding a fucking bladeacoaster. What in the book of fucks is that?

Fuck me it's embarrassing. Get your act together. Players, Manager, Board, the lot of you.
 



Ten games so far, including League Cup, and we've won six of them. Not a crisis yet.

Take out the League Cup and it's W4 L3 in the league, 12 points from 7 games.

An average start. Could be better, could be worse. Just give the players time to gel together :-)
 
Dkc said:
Ten games so far, including League Cup, and we've won six of them. Not a crisis yet.

Take out the League Cup and it's W4 L3 in the league, 12 points from 7 games.

An average start. Could be better, could be worse. Just give the players time to gel together :)
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Time to gel?

They have had two fucking seasons of dilly dallying about, stopping six goals should be second nature by now.
(Give you Edgar)
 
The Bladeacoaster, will be a bumpy ride, which at times will make you scream with excitement, but at others make you puke your guts out.

Anybody else getting on?

HH
 
Hartley Hare said:
The Bladeacoaster, will be a bumpy ride, which at times will make you scream with excitement, but at others make you puke your guts out.

Anybody else getting on?

HH
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Been on it for years but no one has turned up with a key since Warnock to wind it up.
 
Dkc said:
Ten games so far, including League Cup, and we've won six of them. Not a crisis yet.

Take out the League Cup and it's W4 L3 in the league, 12 points from 7 games.

An average start. Could be better, could be worse. Just give the players time to gel together :)
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No its not a crisis yet , but what riles supporters , we keep making the sames mistakes , and even when they are known , we never seem to have no urgency to rectify them .

The club has just got to be open , you can only take positive sping for so long. Action speaks louder than words.

UTB
 
barnyblade said:
I'm not going to propose a proportionality of blame between the board and the manager but ultimately Adkins must surely shoulder a good portion of responsibility for the mistakes that are proving so costly now.
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I've no doubt that when he arrived, NA would have 'sounded out' people like Chris Morgan.

'So, Chris. What are the boys like? Any weak links?'

It would be interesting to know the reply...
 
barnyblade said:
Before I get stuck in, let me make clear my stance on the manager. I do not want him sacked. That would be both pointless and cost worthy, neither of which can be afforded to happen in our circumstances.

I mentioned pre-season before and after Clough was sacked and Adkins appointed the direction I thought we ought to be heading in. A direction that attempted to offload the array of mediocre, lethargic fools Clough had a passion for. A direction that signed talented, physical athletes of whom actually have a desire to play for the shirt they pull on.

Instead, Adkins started out by 'assessing what we have'. An awful decision. From that moment is when my doubts over this season began to arise. Video footage/analysis of last seasons games is all it would have taken to clarify this bunch of jokers really are the same ones that finished 20 points off promotion last season, and even more off 1st position.

After this month long assessment, Adkins then continues to ignore the number one priority of 10 months, the gaping hole in the defence. In fact, it took him over 2 months to sign a defender, in which time he'd had no trouble in bringing in two overpriced strikers and a journeyman winger that a club in our league released.


As harsh as it sounds, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting those desperately needed players in. Not having the finances available doesn't wash with me either, the money spent on Sharp, Sammon and Woolford was there to be spent and spent wisely. And no doubt that would have been a lot of money for this league with how much we dished out for Sharp and are currently dishing out for the 3 wages.
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Lord Bos of Eckington. said:
No its not a crisis yet , but what riles supporters , we keep making the sames mistakes , and even when they are known , we never seem to have no urgency to rectify them .

The club has just got to be open , you can only take positive sping for so long. Action speaks louder than words.

UTB
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We've won 4 and then lost 2. We need to improve but it's still a work in progress for the next month or so.

My concern is if the fans go batshit crazy and we end up getting a new manager. We're on our 6th since 2010. It's not the answer.
 
Rodley said:
We've won 4 and then lost 2. We need to improve but it's still a work in progress for the next month or so.

My concern is if the fans go batshit crazy and we end up getting a new manager. We're on our 6th since 2010. It's not the answer.
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What should happen is our board take the responsibility for allowing Clough to bring in a shitload of crap/injured players. They need to invest in two key areas with the Murphy money and finish building this team. Changing the manager is not the issue.

13/14 of our players would walk into any team in this division.
 
Adkins likes rugby and Southampton too much for my liking. And if it's positivity and #unitedtogether he's after, this club is his biggest ever challenge.
 
barnyblade said:
Before I get stuck in, let me make clear my stance on the manager. I do not want him sacked. That would be both pointless and cost worthy, neither of which can be afforded to happen in our circumstances.

I mentioned pre-season before and after Clough was sacked and Adkins appointed the direction I thought we ought to be heading in. A direction that attempted to offload the array of mediocre, lethargic fools Clough had a passion for. A direction that signed talented, physical athletes of whom actually have a desire to play for the shirt they pull on.

Instead, Adkins started out by 'assessing what we have'. An awful decision. From that moment is when my doubts over this season began to arise. Video footage/analysis of last seasons games is all it would have taken to clarify this bunch of jokers really are the same ones that finished 20 points off promotion last season, and even more off 1st position.

After this month long assessment, Adkins then continues to ignore the number one priority of 10 months, the gaping hole in the defence. In fact, it took him over 2 months to sign a defender, in which time he'd had no trouble in bringing in two overpriced strikers and a journeyman winger that a club in our league released.

It had to take a 4-0 demolition to finally wake him up. From that point I think he realised how large of a mistake it was to sit on his hands for 2 months fucking around with players we didn't need half as much as defenders.

It even looked as though we were quite content heading in to the season with McEveley and Collins as a CB pairing. How silly does that look now?

I'm not going to propose a proportionality of blame between the board and the manager but ultimately Adkins must surely shoulder a good portion of responsibility for the mistakes that are proving so costly now.

As harsh as it sounds, there's absolutely no excuse for not getting those desperately needed players in. Not having the finances available doesn't wash with me either, the money spent on Sharp, Sammon and Woolford was there to be spent and spent wisely. And no doubt that would have been a lot of money for this league with how much we dished out for Sharp and are currently dishing out for the 3 wages.

As a side note, this is neither hysterics nor a meltdown before anyone pipes up with that one. Merely a reflection and realisation of how bad things have become.

As for Jim and Adkins' twitter antics; Sorry but wouldn't it be far more beneficial to focus on sorting out mine and many others beloved club before you make up bullshit excuses to not spend a penny of the money we got for selling our best player. And sorry but after successive home defeats to Bury and Colchester, the last things I want to see from the manager is some desperate bullshit post about riding a fucking bladeacoaster. What in the book of fucks is that?

Fuck me it's embarrassing. Get your act together. Players, Manager, Board, the lot of you.
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Barney , good post , and a reflection and realisation which all of us think .

What worrys me , is that we do need a complete overall of playing staff , which is difficult to d
Rodley said:
We've won 4 and then lost 2. We need to improve but it's still a work in progress for the next month or so.

My concern is if the fans go batshit crazy and we end up getting a new manager. We're on our 6th since 2010. It's not the answer.
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To be honest , i dont think we will . Us fans do have opposing views , but none of us are daft . We all know chopping and changing managers , have helped to create our demise .

Adkins is the best of the bunch , and we have to stop with him for a long time , through good and bad.

My worry is he will get personally pissed off , and buggers off , of his own volition..

UTB
 
barnyblade said:
"A direction that attempted to offload the array of mediocre, lethargic fools Clough had a passion for. "

We have absolutely no idea whether Adkins attempted to offload players. All we know is it didn’t happen. I suspect the likes of Alcock, Coutts, Flo etc being injured was a large contributor to that.


"A direction that signed talented, physical athletes of whom actually have a desire to play for the shirt they pull on. "

Realistically, you don’t get all of that in a player at this level. They are at this level because they lack certain skills, mental attributes, physical attributes etc. Otherwise they’d be playing in the top 2 tiers.

"Instead, Adkins started out by 'assessing what we have'. An awful decision."

Given his track record for turning round players who were previously failures (Lambert, Lallana, Scheiderlein, Fonte etc), it was perfectly understandable that he would want to work with the players to see who he thought he could get something out of before making sweeping changes.


"After this month long assessment, Adkins then continues to ignore the number one priority of 10 months, the gaping hole in the defence....
It had to take a 4-0 demolition to finally wake him up. ...... It even looked as though we were quite content heading in to the season with McEveley and Collins as a CB pairing. How silly does that look now? "

Adkins spoke from July about his desire to bring in a centre half. He said before the Gillingham game that a deal was close to completion but couldn’t do it in time for that game. He has also tried to sign Dan Burn.


"Not having the finances available doesn't wash with me either, the money spent on Sharp, Sammon and Woolford was there to be spent and spent wisely. "

The club maintain that the money is still there to sign these players. Adkins has identified these players. If Brannigan and co fail to complete the deals, I don’t see how that is Adkins’ fault.



"As for Jim and Adkins' twitter antics; Sorry but wouldn't it be far more beneficial to focus on sorting out mine and many others beloved club before you make up bullshit excuses to not spend a penny of the money we got for selling our best player. "

I’ve not seen excuses from Adkins on Twitter. He tries to engage with fans, praises his players for international call ups and seeks to further his “United together” mantra. Nowt wrong with that in my eyes. It takes a few seconds to type a tweet, I don’t think it’s stopping him sorting out our beloved club. I think those above him selling his best player and failing to bring in the targets he identified after he said the side is not good enough for promotion is more of an issue.

Not hysterics or a meltdown? Perhaps not but it is a load of exaggerations and misrepresentations that comes across as “give me success now or I’ll scweam and scweam until I'm sick”.

We’ve got the best manager we could have possibly hoped to appoint. Changing managers has put us behind schedule which is frustrating. The club’s failure to keep or sign the players the manager wants at his disposal is even more frustrating. But I don’t see how much of the blame can be put at the manager’s door IF what the clubs says re finance is true. If it were true that Nigel had blown all his budget on Sharp, Sammon, Woolford and Edgar then maybe. But they say that’s not the case and we don’t have any proof that it is the case. We have no reason to believe that when signing those players, NA didn’t think he’d also be able to bring in the likes of Burn and Hammond. If he had got those targets in and we’d not sold Murphy, our squad would look easily good enough for promotion.

If we can get more players fit before the JTW I full expect we will move some out. Let’s just hope that we are able to bring those in that we need.
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I suspect a lot of what Adkins says publicly is to be taken with a pinch of salt. It rarely benefits a manager to criticise his employers. I'd be very surprised if he he wasn't aware of our problems some time ago and genuinely expected us to be able to bring Burn and Hammond in.

It's pretty clear to me where the bulk of the blame lies.
 
Where have you got the scenario that Adkins has identified targets but the board have not acted upon them? The latter part is believable but not so the first. Frankly if he had shown the urgency he needed to and what you say is true about finances being available, why didn't we sign a defender for 2 months? Why did the board have no problem sorting the deals way down the priority list?

Sorry but it just doesn't add up.
 
barnyblade said:
Where have you got the scenario that Adkins has identified targets but the board have not acted upon them? The latter part is believable but not so the first. Frankly if he had shown the urgency he needed to and what you say is true about finances being available, why didn't we sign a defender for 2 months? Why did the board have no problem sorting the deals way down the priority list?

Sorry but it just doesn't add up.
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Adkins said in July he wanted a CB. He also said some deals get done late in the day. It's public knowledge we were in talks for Burn and Hammond on deadline day. That's "where I've got the scenario" from.

Woolford was a free agent and hardly in demand. Sharp wanted first team football, wanted to be reunited with Adkins and wanted to come home whilst his parent club didn't want him. Makes sense they were easy deals to conclude.

For me, Adkins has been let down by the board selling his best player and failing to bring his targets in. If we had the 3 in question, our squad would be comfortably good enough.
 
Barney,

You say last seasons squad was so poor and we finished 20 points behind promotion

But we aren't playing against those teams this season.

Of the current teams only Swindon finished above us in the league.

Also I think it's a terrible tactic for any manager to change things so quickly without assessing the squad properly especially one that was 1 of the best teams in the league last season.

It's a long season but we have all the ammunition to finish in the top 2.
We've improved our defence, remember in Edgar's first 5 games we only conceded 1 goal. We have the best manager in league 1. We have players to come back (Brayford, Done, Adams) that would improve any team in league 1 and we have money waiting to bring in top quality loans.

Using a bit of balance we are still favourites for instant promotion.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Barney,

You say last seasons squad was so poor and we finished 20 points behind promotion

But we aren't playing against those teams this season.

Of the current teams only Swindon finished above us in the league.

Also I think it's a terrible tactic for any manager to change things so quickly without assessing the squad properly especially one that was 1 of the best teams in the league last season.

It's a long season but we have all the ammunition to finish in the top 2.
We've improved our defence, remember in Edgar's first 5 games we only conceded 1 goal. We have the best manager in league 1. We have players to come back (Brayford, Done, Adams) that would improve any team in league 1 and we have money waiting to bring in top quality loans.

Using a bit of balance we are still favourites for instant promotion.
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We have been favourites for 4 years using a bit of balance. Missing players in vital positions and leadership counterbalances this years argument.
 
boo radley said:
Does anyone know how to judge what may be hysterics and/or meltdowns?
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A genuinely good question - maybe the way a player blanks a manager? Or could it be the way a player decides to disrupt the dressing room and cause unrest? Perhaps a fan's over-reaction that skyrockets through the clouds? As has been suggested, a grading system that can gauge the level of big girl's blouse behaviour.
 
Sheffsteel said:
Barney,

You say last seasons squad was so poor and we finished 20 points behind promotion

But we aren't playing against those teams this season.

Of the current teams only Swindon finished above us in the league.

Also I think it's a terrible tactic for any manager to change things so quickly without assessing the squad properly especially one that was 1 of the best teams in the league last season.

It's a long season but we have all the ammunition to finish in the top 2.
We've improved our defence, remember in Edgar's first 5 games we only conceded 1 goal. We have the best manager in league 1. We have players to come back (Brayford, Done, Adams) that would improve any team in league 1 and we have money waiting to bring in top quality loans.

Using a bit of balance we are still favourites for instant promotion.
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Sheffsteel said:
Barney,

You say last seasons squad was so poor and we finished 20 points behind promotion

But we aren't playing against those teams this season.

Of the current teams only Swindon finished above us in the league.

Also I think it's a terrible tactic for any manager to change things so quickly without assessing the squad properly especially one that was 1 of the best teams in the league last season.

It's a long season but we have all the ammunition to finish in the top 2.
We've improved our defence, remember in Edgar's first 5 games we only conceded 1 goal. We have the best manager in league 1. We have players to come back (Brayford, Done, Adams) that would improve any team in league 1 and we have money waiting to bring in top quality loans.

Using a bit of balance we are still favourites for instant promotion.
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Best if we ignore that we are five points off top after 7 games even if that makes us 32 not 20 off the top over a season otherwise we might get a little bothered.
 



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