Is Kevin McCabe the best chairman we've ever had?

[eric_oulthwaite]

you'd defend McCabe pissing in your cornflakes.

WTF! You mean Corn Flakes are not supposed to be covered in piss! My wife's for it when she gets back!

 

[BushBlade]

We got there after "beating about the bush" then. I thought you disagreed with more than that point though but relieved you didn't.

No, I just take issue with the argument that KM saved us from administration. It's one of the most naive and facile comments anyone can contribute to a KM debate.

 

[blade too long]

McCabe is a genius business man , in construction Id doubt if theres many wiser or better equipped
Hes a good chairman to us fans as hes upped attendances 7 to 8000 in his time here
His Achilles heel is his inability to select a manager
Warnock ,overall a decent choice , maybe Wilson , unlucky to lose his star player in a way that decimated the squad
other than that , until now its a litany of inadequacy and falling short

Im hoping hes got it right now , maybe as its been a more broad church appointment its a much better one

 

[Revolution]

Brealey quoted in 1990:

"I never sold one square inch of your Bramall Lane assets. Far from it, we even re-purchased part of Shoreham Street which had been sold many years ago, thus re-establishing the complete island site".

Contrast the position today...

 

[blade too long]

Brealey quoted in 1990:

"I never sold one square inch of your Bramall Lane assets. Far from it, we even re-purchased part of Shoreham Street which had been sold many years ago, thus re-establishing the complete island site".

Contrast the position today...

where we own all the site and get ground rent off the hotel and 2m in rent from the office complex
what genius getting rent in , I remember Straafford wanting the same at S6
thats why we never get in tax difficulties good house keeping

 

[Revolution]

where we own all the site and get ground rent off the hotel and 2m in rent from the office complex

United do not own the site.

 

[blade too long]

of course we do , under the owner , but thats the same at every club

Chelsea own Stamford bridge but its in Abramovichs name
The Glazers own old trafford but man utd are 500m in hock against it, the banks treat it as man utd property even though in truth its not

are you saying we are different

chansiri owns the flood plain Hillsboroughs on
its classed as the clubs ground

 

[blade too long]

once again the clubs winning games and the we love to be miserable mob start with the we are getting charged rent bollocks again
If the 4 acre site charged the going rent rate for this it wouldnt be 65000 a year but nearer 65000 an hour
we make close to 2 million a year from the tiny office corner , there could be another 112 similar footprint sized blocks on the 4 acres bringing in
250 m a year in rent , been me Id have sold it years ago

 

[1danewhitehouse]

It’s ridiculous to say that any sort of hindsight was needed to say Robson was a bad appointment and anyone who genuinely thinks that must be a similarly bad judge as McCabe.

He got Boro up spending astronomical sums for the 2nd tier standards. Then he struggled in the Prem and El Tel came in to help him out. He was woeful for Bradford. He did have a surprisingly decent run to keep West Brom up before reverting to type.

I think most blades were utterly pissed off with the appointment and just hoped the caliber of player coming in (Beattie, Sharp, Hendrie, Naysmith etc) would be enough to compensate for Robson’s ineptitude the way Emerson, Ravanelli, Juninho etc did at Boro.

 

[blade too long]

It’s ridiculous to say that any sort of hindsight was needed to say Robson was a bad appointment and anyone who genuinely thinks that must be a similarly bad judge as McCabe.

He got Boro up spending astronomical sums for the 2nd tier standards. Then he struggled in the Prem and El Tel came in to help him out. He was woeful for Bradford. He did have a surprisingly decent run to keep West Brom up before reverting to type.

I think most blades were utterly pissed off with the appointment and just hoped the caliber of player coming in (Beattie, Sharp, Hendrie, Naysmith etc) would be enough to compensate for Robson’s ineptitude the way Emerson, Ravanelli, Juninho etc did at Boro.

so your saying he had 3 good seasons followed by a bad one
he got boro up
they stayed there, (we didnt)
and he kept west brom up against the odds (again we didnt )
so we knew hed be crap mmm, well argued

 

[Woodwardfan]

No, I just take issue with the argument that KM saved us from administration. It's one of the most naive and facile comments anyone can contribute to a KM debate.

There is the matter of ethics, pride and reputation of individuals and the club.

Those involved with clubs or any companies which go into administration do suffer by it and certainly the duty to creditors is a serious one for anybody. That bothers some people and not others.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I admit I wasnt overly enamored about Adkins at first , thought he was ok for a scunny size club
But his attention to detail and the way hes changed the ethos in such a short space of time is awe inspiring -
I was hoping for a bit of a reaction to the Gillingham debacle , but hes took up the rug of complacency and beat it to uber cxlean
The word motivation has never seen such a reaction as hes done since day one.
Flocks of geese will have me standing and applauding in future and if we go up theres 500 notes going to RSPB

RSPB made me smile.

 

[blade too long]

just looked up the stats , the hatred for Robson is astounding when you consider he only ever lost 12 games as our manager
Weir did that in ,,,, 12 games

 

[blade too long]

No, I just take issue with the argument that KM saved us from administration. It's one of the most naive and facile comments anyone can contribute to a KM debate.

no ones said he saved us directly from admin but if you could post a complete list of the hundreds of other directors or investors in that period waiting to chuck in tens of millions we can narrow it down

 

[BushBlade]

There is the matter of ethics, pride and reputation of individuals and the club.

Those involved with clubs or any companies which go into administration do suffer by it and certainly the duty to creditors is a serious one for anybody. That bothers some people and not others.

You do appreciate that KM as the ultimate controlling party was responsible for us incurring the debts, and that the majority of debts were 'soft loans' made by KM to the club?

So, in simple terms, he got us in debt, most of the debt was owed to him. Had we gone into administration he would have become one of the creditors accepting pence in the pound. No-one would have lost more than KM, he would have lost the club and most of the money he put in.

 

[Bert]

where we own all the site and get ground rent off the hotel and 2m in rent from the office complex
what genius getting rent in , I remember Straafford wanting the same at S6
thats why we never get in tax difficulties good house keeping

2 million rent for the small office block? That is very hard to believe.

 

[blade too long]

2 million rent for the small office block? That is very hard to believe.

its in the accounts
its not that small

 

[blade too long]

stands to reason the best chairman we ever had saw us win the league be runners up twice 2 cup wins 3 finals and only ever british champions
and got us involved in footballs first ever 100k plus gate

 

[Bert]

What was the building cost of the offices and have we recouped it yet?

 

[Woodwardfan]

You do appreciate that KM as the ultimate controlling party was responsible for us incurring the debts, and that the majority of debts were 'soft loans' made by KM to the club?

So, in simple terms, he got us in debt, most of the debt was owed to him. Had we gone into administration he would have become one of the creditors accepting pence in the pound. No-one would have lost more than KM, he would have lost the club and most of the money he put in.

KM has lost all that money in equity as well as written-off loans. Whichever way you look at it, his family will inherit tens of millions ( I'd say over £50m) less than they would if he had not got involved with United. You and I have spent far too much of our own money following United, imagine how he and his family reflect on it all. It's all relative, of course it is, but no matter how much a Yorkshireman has, he will always look at a lost £ being a £.

 

[alcoblade]

was it
at the time he was well respected ex England stalwart Mr Man Utd
on paper , he had it all
unfortunately not in his head

It was crystal clear that he was fucking shite at the time.

There mere mention of his name raises my blood pressure.


UTB

 

[Grecian2000]

It was crystal clear that he was fucking shite at the time.

There mere mention of his name raises my blood pressure.


UTB

Indeed. I wasn't on this site at the time but there are several threads around page 950 - 955 if anyone can be arsed to look.

The ONLY good thing I can find said about him (If shorehamview was around I'm sure he could reprise his opinion which is interesting to say the least) is this below from Come From Away (who was/is pretty much a btl light):

"Given that a coach's performance is determined by the team I do not understand why people are so down on Robson, but Dalglish would be an interesting alternative."

So the most positive thing said at the time was pretty much wondering why other posters were so down on the bloke.
Hindsight my arse!

 

[JJ Sefton]

just looked up the stats , the hatred for Robson is astounding when you consider he only ever lost 12 games as our manager
Weir did that in ,,,, 12 games

I hate the bloke because he took the biggest financial backing United have ever given a manager, blew it, then tried blaming the fans.

He might have been a great and a brave player, but as our manager he was a clueless coward. If he fucked off every day from now till Judgment Day he still wouldn't have fucked off enough for my liking.

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

It was crystal clear that he was fucking shite at the time.

There mere mention of his name raises my blood pressure.


UTB

Bryan Robson!

 

[eric_oulthwaite]

It was crystal clear that he was fucking shite at the time.

There mere mention of his name raises my blood pressure.


UTB

He broke my Dad's heart. He really loved him as a player. Said he was the best english idfielder he had seen. I remember when i was young he used to worry about who would replace him when he retired (all about england, not man u). So he was excited about him, then was a bag o'shite!

 

[BushBlade]

KM has lost all that money in equity as well as written-off loans. Whichever way you look at it, his family will inherit tens of millions ( I'd say over £50m) less than they would if he had not got involved with United. You and I have spent far too much of our own money following United, imagine how he and his family reflect on it all. It's all relative, of course it is, but no matter how much a Yorkshireman has, he will always look at a lost £ being a £.

That's not the point I'm making though is it.

There was never a realistic chance of KM putting us into administration for the reasons I've outlined so, going back to my original point, anyone who claims he saved us from administration doesn't understand the situation. That is all I'm saying.

And I saw the most recent valuation of PL clubs recently and the lowest was in excess of £100m. If he can one day get half of that I'm sure he'll feel a lot better.

And as for what his family will inherit, I don't give two shits, it's a lot more than I'll ever have. He's a self made man, as you say, so if he wants to spend some of the money he's sweated blood to earn on his football club, that's down to him, the same as I've got no say in what my Dad spends his money on. And his sons should be fucking grateful and consider what jobs they'd be doing if they came from the same background as their Dad did.

 

[BushBlade]

He broke my Dad's heart. He really loved him as a player. Said he was the best english idfielder he had seen. I remember when i was young he used to worry about who would replace him when he retired (all about england, not man u). So he was excited about him, then was a bag o'shite!

He was. When fit he was the complete midfielder.

 

[blade too long]

I hate the bloke because he took the biggest financial backing United have ever given a manager, blew it, then tried blaming the fans.

He might have been a great and a brave player, but as our manager he was a clueless coward. If he fucked off every day from now till Judgment Day he still wouldn't have fucked off enough for my liking.

Agree whole heartedly he turned out to be a prize spanner
but it befell us the task of proving it, once and for all, he still had some cv points that he might prove he had some worth
he removed all doubt about his inability to manage , , or stay sober

 

[Houston_Blade]

Disagree.

In what way? If it's in the accounts its debt. If he'd have written it off it wouldn't be there.

 

[Woodwardfan]

In what way? If it's in the accounts its debt. If he'd have written it off it wouldn't be there.

From earlier:

Good question. No, with whether KM writes off all debt owed as part of the investment deal. It may be that the final write off will be dependant on certain levels of investment from the prince over a period.