Ha ha ha ha ha!

[pommpey]

Rejoice in the small things Pomp, we are still in the JPT, sit second in the league and are on a decent winning run.

We have not missed Murphy yet, and Kennedy and Flynn are back.

Try not to be so negative.

HH

I'm in agreement with all of that Hartley, and rejoicing in my small way that some sort of recovery seems to be in place.

That is, if I am allowed to comment on it, as I am not a fucking massive billy big bastard Bladey Blade.

pommpey

 

[coaxingstar71]

Rejoice in the small things Pomp, we are still in the JPT, sit second in the league and are on a decent winning run.

We have not missed Murphy yet, and Kennedy and Flynn are back.

Try not to be so negative.

HH

That's like asking Sitwell to be nicer to Baxter or Pinchy not to be devil's advocate!

 

[coaxingstar71]

I'm in agreement with all of that Hartley, and rejoicing in my small way that some sort of recovery seems to be in place.

That is, if I am allowed to comment on it, as I am not a fucking massive billy big bastard Bladey Blade.

pommpey

Ok, I'm gonna risk some wrath......

Innocent question - which player are you referring to when you say we sold our best player at the start of last season? Are you referring to the sale of Maguire?
Looking back at the OP (which was quite a while ago!), your main gripe appears to be the sale of Murphy. It would appear in both cases (assuming you did mean Maguire) that both players wanted to leave the club. Are you advocating then, that the board enforce the contracts of these players? I certainly don't agree with that stance (if indeed that is what you are suggesting), for several reasons, player can't go = player unhappy and unsettled = other players unhappy = fans unhappy because of player not showing loyalty to beloved club and so on.
I believe in both these cases that the club got good prices for players who wanted to leave. In recent history, the most frustrating sale was McDonald because of his paltry minimum fee clause. I don't know the details but I assume he was still on the same contract as when he first signed, I don't know if he had been offered improved terms once he's showed what a player he was, but it's obvious an opportunity was lost there.
The next point of course is whether the board then made all those funds available to the manager and in that respect I think you have a valid point, however we did buy Brayford and we have bought Sharp and paid quite a bit. It doesn't add up to the total received but I'd hope funds are available if the right player is available that the manager wants.
Again, going back to the OP, there is a depressing list of players that have left the club, some I would argue were good business as in the case of Agana who had clearly become injury prone and played little after he left for £700K. Obviously others were not and one of the most frustrating for me was the sale of Deane and Fjortoft and later Borbokis which lead to Spackman resigning when that side had looked like promotion contenders to that point.
For me, you could argue the sale of the 2 Kyles was a huge mistake too, but the club did get £8m. The biggest mistakes for me by McCabe have been his managerial choices and the timing of those decisions. The season we were relegated was disastrous, although I never particularly liked Blackwell, I felt it was a huge mistake to sack him after 3 games with seemingly no back up plan of who to replace him.

 

[pommpey]

Ok, I'm gonna risk some wrath......
Innocent question - which player are you referring to when you say we sold our best player at the start of last season? Are you referring to the sale of Maguire?

Well, I'm not on about McMahon

Looking back at the OP (which was quite a while ago!), your main gripe appears to be the sale of Murphy. It would appear in both cases (assuming you did mean Maguire) that both players wanted to leave the club. Are you advocating then, that the board enforce the contracts of these players? I certainly don't agree with that stance (if indeed that is what you are suggesting), for several reasons, player can't go = player unhappy and unsettled = other players unhappy = fans unhappy because of player not showing loyalty to beloved club and so on.

Yes. I am advocating exactly that. He signed a three year contract with us last season, did he not? Or am I missing something revolutionary here about the term 'contract'? Why bother with them then?

I believe in both these cases that the club got good prices for players who wanted to leave.

Tell me what we did with the Maguire money. And don't say 'Brayford' because he did not cost as much as that. Tell me what we did to remotely plug the gaping CB hole he left.

In recent history, the most frustrating sale was McDonald because of his paltry minimum fee clause. I don't know the details but I assume he was still on the same contract as when he first signed, I don't know if he had been offered improved terms once he's showed what a player he was, but it's obvious an opportunity was lost there.

He had some sort of transfer offer trigger clause which was activated by Wolves' approach. Who did we buy to replace him? Please don't mention the words 'Jose' and 'Baxter'

The next point of course is whether the board then made all those funds available to the manager and in that respect I think you have a valid point, however we did buy Brayford and we have bought Sharp and paid quite a bit. It doesn't add up to the total received but I'd hope funds are available if the right player is available that the manager wants.

So, erm ... what? We still have a seemingly shakey central pairing patched in by a loanee.

Again, going back to the OP, there is a depressing list of players that have left the club, some I would argue were good business as in the case of Agana who had clearly become injury prone and played little after he left for £700K. Obviously others were not and one of the most frustrating for me was the sale of Deane and Fjortoft and later Borbokis which lead to Spackman resigning when that side had looked like promotion contenders to that point.

Add to that Wayne Quinn, Brown, Jags ... even Tongy and then some more. And let's just underline it. We are apparently not a selling club. Were you really that enamoured by the arrival of Billy Sharp? Just when was the last time you actually picked up the Star and said, "Fuck me! (insert player's name) has just been signed by United!" and felt dead confident he'd change the output of the club? Juxtapose how many times you have had to Wiki any number of Barry Oddnobs arriving in the Cherry St car park with their medical cert and boot bag.

For me, you could argue the sale of the 2 Kyles was a huge mistake too, but the club did get £8m. The biggest mistakes for me by McCabe have been his managerial choices and the timing of those decisions. The season we were relegated was disastrous, although I never particularly liked Blackwell, I felt it was a huge mistake to sack him after 3 games with seemingly no back up plan of who to replace him.

So you agree? McCabe has been the source of a consistent malaise at the club? A common denominator of mediocrity and failure?

No 'wrath' coaxing. Just 'reality'.

pommpey

 

[Northyorksblade]

Now I wonder who's going to get the last word here? Errrrr, let me guess? Oh Linz, lock this thread before we go round another thirty pages saying the same thing.

 

[super_pig]

you're 'all' right on this one
we don't invest money properly. i 've 'never' in my life said 'f**k me i can't believe we signed him'.. a couple of wins won't paper over the cracks but it is a start. it's not about selling your best players, everyone does apart from Real and Barcelona.. it is when we sell them.. but we've started winning at last and whilst pompey makes some good points i'd suggest that we put it on the back burner for a while and enjoy the sunshine. .while it lasts
plus you guys have resorted into a slanging match.. booorrrriiiinnnnggg

 

[Bartleby]

i 've 'never' in my life said 'f**k me i can't believe we signed him'.

not about a player, no, but I did when we got Adkins

 

[pommpey]

not about a player, no, but I did when we got Adkins

I didn't. I thought 'poor cunt'. They've obviously told him the same shit they told Clough when we were in that post-Wier 'will he or won't he?' phase that cash and resources will become available.

I have no doubt about Adkins' capability at all for us at this level, provided his playing staff are sound. If we were a capable side and led by a donkey last season I'd have been more animated at Adkins' appointment. It just made me wonder how much we'd be paying him in fifteen month's time if we fucked it up again.

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

Tell me what we did with the Maguire money. And don't say 'Brayford' because he did not cost as much as that. Tell me what we did to remotely plug the gaping CB hole he left.

pommpey

Don't think this will convert well from Excel but here goes:

Contact Length Annual Salary Er Cost Contract Cost
Maguire 3 £260,714 £33,893 £294,607
Brayford 3 £782,142 £101,678 £883,820
Difference £589,214

Maguire Transfer Fee £2,000,000
Brayford Transfer Fee £1,500,000
Total Brayford Cost £2,089,214

Difference £89,214

 

[pommpey]

Don't think this will convert well from Excel but here goes:

Contact Length Annual Salary Er Cost Contract Cost
Maguire 3 £260,714 £33,893 £294,607
Brayford 3 £782,142 £101,678 £883,820
Difference £589,214

Maguire Transfer Fee £2,000,000
Brayford Transfer Fee £1,500,000
Total Brayford Cost £2,089,214

Difference £89,214

So, we sold a centre back and bought a right back.

Good work.

pommpey

 

[Worksop II]

So, we sold a centre back and bought a right back.

and a Beard

 

[MobileBlade]

So, we sold a centre back and bought a right back.

Good work.

pommpey

Actually we sold a centre back that didn't want to play for us and bought a right back that did want to play for us. Even that one must work in the small world that is Pommpey motivational management.

 

[pommpey]

Actually we sold a centre back that didn't want to play for us and bought a right back that did want to play for us. Even that one must work in the small world that is Pommpey motivational management.

... and left the centre back options painfully thin. Even that one must work in the vanishingly tiny world that is Mobile's football management

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

... and left the centre back options painfully thin. Even that one must work in the vanishingly tiny world that is Mobile's football management

pommpey

I agree it left us short last season. That was a managers decision not a board decision, I believe.

 

[Sirius]

Actually we sold a centre back that didn't want to play for us and bought a right back that did want to play for us. Even that one must work in the small world that is Pommpey motivational management.

A saucer of milk each boys Meow

 

[Darren]

... and left the centre back options painfully thin. Even that one must work in the vanishingly tiny world that is Mobile's football management

pommpey

Without wishing to intrude....

What's your argument here? Is it:

(a) Over the past few years the owners of the club have made a number of disastrous decisions whilst trying to do their best or;
(b) the owners have deliberately fucked over the club

I think everyone agrees re a. It's b some of us find unconvincing.

 

[pommpey]

I agree it left us short last season. That was a managers decision not a board decision, I believe.

I'm glad we agree. So short in fact, that goals like Swindon's first at the Lane may have been avoided had we decent, challenging CBs in the 18 yard box rather than make-do stand ins.

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

I'm glad we agree. So short in fact, that goals like Swindon's first at the Lane may have been avoided had we decent, challenging CBs in the 18 yard box rather than make-do stand ins.

pommpey

I refer my honourable friend to the answer I gave earlier. I think Darren 's question is more pertinent. Your point is?

 

[pommpey]

Without wishing to intrude....

What's your argument here? Is it:

(a) Over the past few years the owners of the club have made a number of disastrous decisions whilst trying to do their best or;
(b) the owners have deliberately fucked over the club

I think everyone agrees re a. It's b some of us find unconvincing.

No. But it isn't beyond the imagination, no matter how optimistic your outlook, to suspect what the fuck is going on when your fairly consistent and dominating centre back is 'allowed to go', and we squander the cash on a player who is nowhere near a replacement. Don't get me wrong, Brayford is excellent - at this level - but I refuse to believe Clough ignored we had a left back and a central midfielder as the two central defenders and never considered going to the board with targets of his own. Yes, bad decisions, but it almost seems like they don't want us up when things like this happens.

pommpey

 

[MobileBlade]

No. But it isn't beyond the imagination, no matter how optimistic your outlook, to suspect what the fuck is going on when your fairly consistent and dominating centre back is 'allowed to go', and we squander the cash on a player who is nowhere near a replacement. Don't get me wrong, Brayford is excellent - at this level - but I refuse to believe Clough ignored we had a left back and a central midfielder as the two central defenders and never considered going to the board with targets of his own. Yes, bad decisions, but it almost seems like they don't want us up when things like this happens.

pommpey

So just to get this right, you asked what happened with the Magure money and said "don't give me Brayford". I showed you Brayford. This was then a board decision not a managers decision to purchase Brayford and impose their will on a manager who had a centre half festering away, not even training with the team and who picked the team he did? Ok.

Actually, I will add, I showed you Brayford which cost £100K more. Not sure how much Done cost but no doubt that was not selected by the manager when it was obvious we also needed a goal scorer.

 

[Darren]

No. But it isn't beyond the imagination, no matter how optimistic your outlook, to suspect what the fuck is going on when your fairly consistent and dominating centre back is 'allowed to go', and we squander the cash on a player who is nowhere near a replacement. Don't get me wrong, Brayford is excellent - at this level - but I refuse to believe Clough ignored we had a left back and a central midfielder as the two central defenders and never considered going to the board with targets of his own. Yes, bad decisions, but it almost seems like they don't want us up when things like this happens.

pommpey

I repeat what MobileBlade asked.

Is your point really that Clough said to the Board "I have a centre back I want to buy and we can use the Maguire money for that" and the Board said "no, you can only buy Brayford" and Clough cravenly said "ok"?

 

[super_pig]

i'd rather have the beard. at least he wants to play for us.

 

[Bartleby]

I didn't. I thought 'poor cunt'.

this comment just confirms my growing view that you are negative for the sake of it. Ok I'm fairly new to this forum and from what I've seen you seem to have a bit of a fan base on here that like and respect your views, but I am not one of them.

If we were a capable side ...
pommpey

so I'm guessing you haven't watched a game this season then? If you have and you would still say we are not a capable side (which is basically the same players as last season plus just a few inspired signings) then you can have no credibilty whatsoever IMHO

 

[Bartleby]

I'm glad we agree. So short in fact, that goals like Swindon's first at the Lane may have been avoided had we decent, challenging CBs in the 18 yard box rather than make-do stand ins.

pommpey

yes you're right there. But this season we have got a replacement in David Edgar and having seen him play I'd say an excellent replacement at that. We also have Collins back in from the cold, and despite his limitation he has done OK alongside Edgar in the games I've been to.

So two simple changes made by an excellent manager that have made such a difference. Go on say summat negative about that then

 

[Darren]

yes you're right there. But this season we have got a replacement in David Edgar and having seen him play I'd say an excellent replacement at that. We also have Collins back in from the cold, and despite his limitation he has done OK alongside Edgar in the games I've been to.

So two simple changes made by an excellent manager that have made such a difference. Go on say summat negative about that then

It's notable that when Edgar has played we have only conceded 1 goal in 5 league and cup games.

 

[coaxingstar71]

Well, I'm not on about McMahon



Yes. I am advocating exactly that. He signed a three year contract with us last season, did he not? Or am I missing something revolutionary here about the term 'contract'? Why bother with them then?



Tell me what we did with the Maguire money. And don't say 'Brayford' because he did not cost as much as that. Tell me what we did to remotely plug the gaping CB hole he left.



He had some sort of transfer offer trigger clause which was activated by Wolves' approach. Who did we buy to replace him? Please don't mention the words 'Jose' and 'Baxter'



So, erm ... what? We still have a seemingly shakey central pairing patched in by a loanee.



Add to that Wayne Quinn, Brown, Jags ... even Tongy and then some more. And let's just underline it. We are apparently not a selling club. Were you really that enamoured by the arrival of Billy Sharp? Just when was the last time you actually picked up the Star and said, "Fuck me! (insert player's name) has just been signed by United!" and felt dead confident he'd change the output of the club? Juxtapose how many times you have had to Wiki any number of Barry Oddnobs arriving in the Cherry St car park with their medical cert and boot bag.



So you agree? McCabe has been the source of a consistent malaise at the club? A common denominator of mediocrity and failure?

No 'wrath' coaxing. Just 'reality'.

pommpey

Seriously - McMahon was our best player?
What you are missing is the 'reality' of the footballing world we now live in. Look at the current situation with Berahino - what do you think is going to happen there? We've seen it time and time again and NO I don't agree with it but I think if a player wants to go that badly then why upset the whole apple cart by making him stay?
I think someone else has answered the Maguire v Brayford but all I was saying was, we have spent some money, obviously not every single penny that we've recouped and although I'd rather we did, I'm realistic enough to realise that this ain't happening.
I wasn't going to say that anyone replaced McDonald - as I said, it was very disappointing to lose him so cheaply.
YES - I agree! And I don't know why he haven't signed another defender in the current window as I think we need one.
I did say there were others, I just didn't list them all - needless to say there have been some disappointing ones, however surely you're not going to add Brown to that particular list. The last time I was genuinely surprised by a signing was Brayford.
I ask you this - where would we be if McCabe had not come to the club? There's no sign of any Arabian Sheikh coming in with billions to invest so while I realise he's not Abramovich or Sheikh Mansour, I'm also glad we've not been in the same position as Leeds and Portsmouth to name a few. I think you forget the awful state we were in BEFORE McCabe. Am I happy where we are? Of course not but I refuse to believe the board are keeping us here on purpose.

Like I've said before, I enjoy reading your posts and I'll enjoy you pulling apart my latest one. I'll just say, though you probably couldn't give a toss, that it doesn't reflect well on you to merely insult other posters and fans. We all basically want the same thing and that I'm sure is something we can all agree on.

 

[Bartleby]

It's notable that when Edgar has played we have only conceded 1 goal in 5 league and cup games.

it is indeed. Would like us to get another CB in for contingency though, although if Kennedy can stay fit that could be enough.

 

[Bartleby]

Seriously - McMahon was our best player?

think he was being ironic TBF

 

[alcoblade]

I think it's fairly obvious why I only concentrate on one issue with Pommpey. You don't get a real answer, no matter what, despite having to read extremely lengthy replies.

I'll still be interested in the (lack of) replies to the other questions raised above.

UTB

 

[coaxingstar71]

think he was being ironic TBF

Oh I see - difficult to detect sarcasm in text and you never know with pommpey!