Higdon over Sammon

[bladesmanluke]

Jesus wept.

Sammon is clearly the best target man we've had for many a year.

Higdon clearly cannot actually move at all, nevermind play football.

How is this even a discussion? Honestly.

 

[Grecian2000]

Jesus wept.

Sammon is clearly the best target man we've had for many a year.

Higdon clearly cannot actually move at all, nevermind play football.

How is this even a discussion? Honestly.

Because the thread was kicked off after the Gillingham game and before the Chesterfield game where Sammon played at BDTBL for the firat time and showed how much better he is?

 

[Tezza1889]

Wow.....just wow......

Sammon is a huge step forward from higdon..

When did higdon last score two goals in a game for us..??

 

[Grecian2000]

MK Dons in the League Cup (that doesn't count obviously as "cups are shit").

I don't think its really about the goals as Alco sort of alludes to a couple of posts back. It's the general game play that sees Sammon being a bit of a cult figure (despite missing the sitter at the week-end) and Higdon being derided somewhat over a period of > 12 months now.
Fans aren't stupid and, more often than not, you end up with the reputation/treatment you deserve.

 

[Tezza1889]

Oh and in addition...

Higdons a liability, when he does play he gets easily wound up and has a much greater chance of taking us to ten men than he has of scoring..

I smell a wind up here, never seen higdon play clearly..

 

[bladesmanluke]

Because the thread was kicked off after the Gillingham game and before the Chesterfield game where Sammon played at BDTBL for the firat time and showed how much better he is?

Well it was blatantly obvious to anyone with any football knowledge that Connor Sammon is better than Michael Higdon before this season kicked off. I personally couldn't believe people were ridiculing his signing, but then I happened to have seen him play

 

[sufcnoah]

Sharp is not fast.

Faster than sammon and Higdon though.

 

[Bartleby]

Sharp is not fast.

what? fast enough for this league, by far, and runs his bollox off same as Done does.

 

[Bartleby]

I cant put my finger on it but things just havent worked out for Higdon here.
I hated it when the boo boys had a pop last season but it just dosent happen for him.

Did you see him in the home game against Swindon? They played him for a fool and he couldn't adapt, would have got him sent off for sure which was why he was substituted. Looks a clumsy and unintelligent player to me.

 

[wizadry]

Connor Sammon has just less than a 1 in 6 goals to games ratio, Michael Higdon has just less than a 1 in 3 ratio, just saying like and it does go to prove there is now more to strikers than just scoring goals as Sammon really does do some good stuff for the team.

 

[stannyblade]

Sammon for me every time.

 

[Woodwardfan]

what? fast enough for this league, by far, and runs his bollox off same as Done does.

Hey don't get me wrong, I've been a big Sharp fan since he was 11, but he's not fast, he's not tall either, just needs the right role. He knows that, Adkins knows that, the pity was that Robson and Blackwell didn't know that. Warnock knew that but didn't seem to want to give him a chance.

 

[BushBlade]

Hey don't get me wrong, I've been a big Sharp fan since he was 11, but he's not fast, he's not tall either, just needs the right role. He knows that, Adkins knows that, the pity was that Robson and Blackwell didn't know that. Warnock knew that but didn't seem to want to give him a chance.

When Warnock was manager we were challenging for promotion to the PL. Nothing in Billy's career has shown he could hold down a place in a side challenging for promotion to the PL.
When he re-signed for us, who actually signed him? Robson? Robinson? McCabe? Who actually thought Billy would be a good partner for Beattie? I would love to know the answer to that one.

 

[Woodwardfan]

When Warnock was manager we were challenging for promotion to the PL. Nothing in Billy's career has shown he could hold down a place in a side challenging for promotion to the PL.
When he re-signed for us, who actually signed him? Robson? Robinson? McCabe? Who actually thought Billy would be a good partner for Beattie? I would love to know the answer to that one.

My recollection and/or my impression at the time was that McCabe set up Sharp's return before he appointed Robson and Billy was on a loser from Day 1.

 

[BushBlade]

My recollection and/or my impression at the time was that McCabe set up Sharp's return before he appointed Robson and Billy was on a loser from Day 1.

Mine too.

 

[1danewhitehouse]

When Warnock was manager we were challenging for promotion to the PL. Nothing in Billy's career has shown he could hold down a place in a side challenging for promotion to the PL. .

He scored 9 goals in 18 games from January onwards to help Southampton secure promotion to the Prem?

He was a young striker who had just scored 30 odd goals in the league below. Most of the championship would have wanted him at that time. Whether he would compliment Beattie is another issue. At the time, I thought that there was a lack of pace between them but that their superior quality would tell (hoping the Robson factor wouldn't hold them back too much).

 

[Woodwardfan]

He scored 9 goals in 18 games from January onwards to help Southampton secure promotion to the Prem?

Beattie ran a one-man show, Sharp was his assistant/ servant and subordinate and did most of the work.

 

[BushBlade]

He scored 9 goals in 18 games from January onwards to help Southampton secure promotion to the Prem?

One purple patch six or so years after he'd left us the first time. His overall career indicates he's a mid-table championship striker (which is great to have in L1).

The role he is most suited to is the same role as Beattie was. In the box. Billy was expected to do for BT what Sammon now does for Billy. For what we paid for Billy, we could have got someone more suitable for the role. Probably for less than what we paid.

I think he's fantastic at this level but let's not confuse what we need now to what we needed in 2005.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

Sorry but I have seen nothing to convince me other than that Higdon is an expensive Clough mistake who we are going to struggle to get rid of. Chris Porter was better than Higdon and that is saying something. He must be 4th or 5th in the pecking order and that flatters him.

 

[Bladesway]

I'll tell you why it hasn't happened for Higdon:

He's fat, slow, can't jump and just doesn't seem to want to play for the club.
He's shit.

Apart from that though?

I'm shocked we have someone on Sammon who brings people into play holds the ball up and gives us options and anyone wants Higdon who has done nothing and proven nothing. I'd rather have Porter playing than Higdon. I'm guessing they have similar goals per game ratios. Over to you Alco.....

 

[Bladesway]

Sorry but I have seen nothing to convince me other than that Higdon is an expensive Clough mistake who we are going to struggle to get rid of. Chris Porter was better than Higdon and that is saying something. He must be 4th or 5th in the pecking order and that flatters him.

Nailed it.

 

[Grecian2000]

Apart from that though?

I'm shocked we have someone on Sammon who brings people into play holds the ball up and gives us options and anyone wants Higdon who has done nothing and proven nothing. I'd rather have Porter playing than Higdon. I'm guessing they have similar goals per game ratios. Over to you Alco.....

BUT, as I said yesterday, this thread kicked off after the 4-0 drubbing at Gillingham, which meant we were looking at a fairly gloomy scenario.
I don't think this thread would have surfaced at all if we'd got a point down there, or the OP had kept his powder dry until after the Chezzie game.

It's given us another thread to get our "fatty" jokes in though which is never a bad thing.

Oh, and Sammon was a Clough target/old boy so might have been perceived as a bad signing, by some, for that alone.

 

[itsinyerblood]

Apart from that though?

I'm shocked we have someone on Sammon who brings people into play holds the ball up and gives us options and anyone wants Higdon who has done nothing and proven nothing. I'd rather have Porter playing than Higdon. I'm guessing they have similar goals per game ratios. Over to you Alco.....

That's it in a nutshell Bladesway, Sammons role, while not producing as many goals as we'd all hope for, does allow others to take the opportunities his workrate creates. There have been many good CF's who weren't prolific goalscorers, yet their value to their team was to always be included as the manager knew what they could bring to the overall team display. Given what Sammons has contributed so far, I'm looking forward to seeing Done in the same team. Together they'd be an enormous irritant to the opposing defence, and in turn opportunities would happen.

 

[BushBlade]

Apart from that though?

I'm shocked we have someone on Sammon who brings people into play holds the ball up and gives us options and anyone wants Higdon who has done nothing and proven nothing. I'd rather have Porter playing than Higdon. I'm guessing they have similar goals per game ratios. Over to you Alco.....

Yes, but this thread started before the season did. I think almost everyone, having now seen Sammon, would chose him over Higdon.
The only real point of debate is should we keep him as back-up or fuck him off?

Edit: just after the season started, got caught out by the early start.

 

[BushBlade]

That's it in a nutshell Bladesway, Sammons role, while not producing as many goals as we'd all hope for, does allow others to take the opportunities his workrate creates. There have been many good CF's who weren't prolific goalscorers, yet their value to their team was to always be included as the manager knew what they could bring to the overall team display. Given what Sammons has contributed so far, I'm looking forward to seeing Done in the same team. Together they'd be an enormous irritant to the opposing defence, and in turn opportunities would happen.

I would hate to be a defender facing our forward line when they're all fit. Imagine having to deal with Done and Sammon for seventy minutes and then Billy comes on to replace one of them. You'd just be thinking 'oh ffs'.

 

[itsinyerblood]

I would hate to be a defender facing our forward line when they're all fit. Imagine having to deal with Done and Sammon for seventy minutes and then Billy comes on to replace one of them. You'd just be thinking 'oh ffs'.

Hope we see it this season mate. On what I saw of Done he's unlike any player I can recall, an appetite to work hard and make things happen, a lesson certain players close to home might take on board. Together he and Done, not to forget Adams, would be awesome, and if other players couldn't profit from this we've no hope.

 

[Bladesway]

That's it in a nutshell Bladesway, Sammons role, while not producing as many goals as we'd all hope for, does allow others to take the opportunities his workrate creates. There have been many good CF's who weren't prolific goalscorers, yet their value to their team was to always be included as the manager knew what they could bring to the overall team display. Given what Sammons has contributed so far, I'm looking forward to seeing Done in the same team. Together they'd be an enormous irritant to the opposing defence, and in turn opportunities would happen.

2 in 4 would do for me IIYB.

 

[Slim Man]

Apart from that though?

I'm shocked we have someone on Sammon who brings people into play holds the ball up and gives us options and anyone wants Higdon who has done nothing and proven nothing. I'd rather have Porter playing than Higdon. I'm guessing they have similar goals per game ratios. Over to you Alco.....

He's absolutely atrocious. Even if Sammon didn't score a single goal for us I'd rather he played for us than Higdon, he's athletic, big, strong, puts himself about and his play leads to goals. Higdon's play leads most of the kop wanting to get to half time so they can grab a pie and a pint.

 

[BushBlade]

Higdon over Sammon sounds like some posh London west end food that should be served with quinoa.

 

[Bladesway]

He's absolutely atrocious. Even if Sammon didn't score a single goal for us I'd rather he played for us than Higdon, he's athletic, big, strong, puts himself about and his play leads to goals. Higdon's play leads most of the kop wanting to get to half time so they can grab a pie and a pint.

At least if higgy is on the pitch you have a chance of getting to the pies at half time.