Let's just look at where other clubs have been shopping ...

[AlienBlade]

Whereas, sitting at the back of Sheffield United's defence ...

(fill in the rest)

pommpey

Whilst sitting at the back of United's defence is a tall Canadian International player.....

or for last seasons

Whilst sitting at the back of United's defence of 3 Full back and a Central Midfielder they still only managed to concede 23 goals less and finished 17 places above them....

so what makes him any better than what we have (if 2 make shift centre backs only concede 53 goals in a season and an actual bone fide centre back concedes 75.... surely that must make the player worse.... (what is even more concerning is he didnt even make a full season of appearences)

Taken from his wiki page

"On 11 July 2014, Nugent joined Yeovil Town on loan until 4 January 2015.[16] Nugent made his debut for the club, on 16 August 2014, making his first start, in a 2–0 loss against Gillingham.[17] Nugent scored his first Yeovil Town goal on 26 December 2014, in a 2-1 loss against Bristol City.[18] A week later, Nugent's had his loan spell at Yeovil Town extended until the end of the season.[19] Nugent was then sent-off in the 26th minutes after elbowing George Waring on 10 January 2015, in a 2-0 loss against Barnsley.[20] After serving four match ban,[21] Nugent made his first team return on 7 February 2015, making a start and playing 90 minutes, in a 2-1 win over Crawley Town.[22] However, his first team opportunities was soon limited, due to a rule on loanee[23] and was told to fight for the first team place.[24] Nugent went on to make twenty-three appearance and scoring once for the club before returning to his parent club."

so considering he only played in half of the league games he clearly wasnt doing enough in a relegated threatened side to keep his place....

think that proves beyond all doubt if you sat down the world would be a quieter place....

 

[pommpey]

... think that proves beyond all doubt if you sat down the world would be a quieter place....

Can't beat a bit of ad hominem to get your point across, can you?

Anyway, back to the subject, looking at the last three games, would you say that McEveley (LB) and Collins (CB) are the real deal, or would you say (despite Wikipedia, which assists idiots like me identify our new signings as well) that Nugent is a better player than both of them? Careful now, because despite Wikipedia's facts and figures, we shipped four avoidable goals a few days since, and even I, two stones overweight and recently a grandfather for the second time at 52, reckon I'd possibly put in a shift better than those two. Like Collins, I haven't played competitive football for about a year (since my knee injury) either. Me, and thousands of other Blades fans. Your case against anyone as a replacement isn't borne out by recent experiences (and that Hull City goal was a portent of what was to come) and Nugent, as shit as you make him sound, seems like Beckenbaur compared to Saturday between three and ten to five if the reports or anything to go by.

Great, we have a new CB. I hope it's a new path toward no goals conceded.

pommpey

 

[WeareBlades]

I agree - some are bobbar. However, some are fucking astute acquisitions.

Every season we remain in this division thickens the glue that keeps us here.

"Mate, Nigel Adkins is on the phone."

"Who? Where is he now?"

"Sheff United."

"Fuck that."

pommpey

If your implying that some of them players would have chosen the club they are at now rather than us for reasons different than that they may live really close to them, you are very much mistaken. Players would come here over anyone in this division if we showed interest, money talks. The only reason they wouldn't is because of maybe location or they don't think they would get a game.

 

[AlienBlade]

Can't beat a bit of ad hominem to get your point across, can you?

Anyway, back to the subject, looking at the last three games, would you say that McEveley (LB) and Collins (CB) are the real deal, or would you say (despite Wikipedia, which assists idiots like me identify our new signings as well) that Nugent is a better player than both of them? Careful now, because despite Wikipedia's facts and figures, we shipped four avoidable goals a few days since, and even I, two stones overweight and recently a grandfather for the second time at 52, reckon I'd possibly put in a shift better than those two. Like Collins, I haven't played competitive football for about a year (since my knee injury) either. Me, and thousands of other Blades fans. Your case against anyone as a replacement isn't borne out by recent experiences (and that Hull City goal was a portent of what was to come) and Nugent, as shit as you make him sound, seems like Beckenbaur compared to Saturday between three and ten to five if the reports or anything to go by.

Great, we have a new CB. I hope it's a new path toward no goals conceded.

pommpey

my "attack" was justified considering that your basing things on a house of cards built on sand.... therefore the minority of good things you are saying is getting lost in the majority of nonesense you are peddling which have no basis in fact.

I have not said McEverley or Collins are the answer, in fact quite the opposite (see previous posts by me stating Collins is useless and shoudnt be in the team and McEverley should be the back up for Harris at Left back) my point was that these despite shipping 4 goals on the whole shipped less than the man you are holding as a shining light, therefore... (bizarelly the star seem to make the point it wasnt the CB at fault... I wasnt there so cant comment fully, but I was there for some of the pre-season games and did warn over the set pieces were still conceding therefore highlighted the need for a CB or 2....) making the argument that getting someone in that couldnt get in to a worse team, who were conceded more goals than a team with a makeshift defence makes no sense what so ever.

However a player who cant even get into a team struggling at the back (Ben Nugent) means he clearly isnt the answer and must be worse than the make shift centre backs we have. (the stats appear to back this up)

my overriding point is why buy 3 or 4 of this "shit" players becuase they are free and available.... to go along with the 2 or 3 other "shit" "centre backs" we currently have.... would be like picking between a rose bush and a cactus to wipe your backside....

I remember similar conversations about several players last season and previous seasons and how we should have signed them.... the vast majority I seem to remember did next to nothing... (Keiran Agard was going to supposingly rip this league apart.... and at £1m it was a steal... (Marc Mcnulty wasnt too short of his Agards total goals and played considerably less than him...)

 

[AlienBlade]

If your implying that some of them players would have chosen the club they are at now rather than us for reasons different than that they may live really close to them, you are very much mistaken. Players would come here over anyone in this division if we showed interest, money talks. The only reason they wouldn't is because of maybe location or they don't think they would get a game.

and you think we have the money to attract premiership and good championship players...

as I pointed out our income is about £9m (possibly even less) http://www.sufc.co.uk/documents/su-plc-june-2013-report-and-accounts135-1188137.pdf (2013 figures) which means that at 60% is just over £100k per week for the whole entire wage structure, start throwing in a £10k a week signing (low end Champ signing) and you'll have 1 star signing and 10 kids...

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Like Collins, I haven't played competitive football for about a year (since my knee injury) either.

His last competitive game before Saturday was 3rd May 2015.

 

[Dkc]

We almost beat Spurs in the League Cup semi final at the Lane in January with the following team:

Howard, Flynn, Basham , McEveley, Harris, Doyle (Reed - 65' ) Campbell-Ryce (Adams - 74' ) Scougall, Baxter, Murphy, McNulty (Higdon - 74' )

They can't all have become shit since then. I think a lot of our problems are down to confidence and lack of organisation.

 

[WeareBlades]

and you think we have the money to attract premiership and good championship players...

as I pointed out our income is about £9m (possibly even less) http://www.sufc.co.uk/documents/su-plc-june-2013-report-and-accounts135-1188137.pdf (2013 figures) which means that at 60% is just over £100k per week for the whole entire wage structure, start throwing in a £10k a week signing (low end Champ signing) and you'll have 1 star signing and 10 kids...

Didn't mention leagues. Just saying if we were after any of those in the list of transfer incoming of other teams. We would be able to offer them more.

 

[AlienBlade]

Didn't mention leagues. Just saying if we were after any of those in the list of transfer incoming of other teams. We would be able to offer them more.

who says we would be able to offier them more??

lets say Bradford are in for a player.... (figures are representative) their weekly wage limit is £50k a week... they are currently only spending £40k a week
our Weekly wage is £100k a week, however we are currently spending £95k of it....

we both go in looking for that last player....

so despite the Blades having twice a big a budget.... we can actually only afford half the amount Bradford can....

this has a little to do with Sheffield United being seen as a big club... if you're the agent and you're placing your player... if Bradford were the only team in for him you would probably settle at £3k a week... for the same player when only Sheffield United are interested the agent would instantly bump up the price to say £5k a week... as agents will assume we have more cash to splash... thus this uses us the funds quicker in order to get players in... (as if we didnt get a player in then fans would be up in arms that we didnt just pay the demands of the player...)

 

[WeareBlades]

who says we would be able to offier them more??

lets say Bradford are in for a player.... (figures are representative) their weekly wage limit is £50k a week... they are currently only spending £40k a week
our Weekly wage is £100k a week, however we are currently spending £95k of it....

we both go in looking for that last player....

so despite the Blades having twice a big a budget.... we can actually only afford half the amount Bradford can....

this has a little to do with Sheffield United being seen as a big club... if you're the agent and you're placing your player... if Bradford were the only team in for him you would probably settle at £3k a week... for the same player when only Sheffield United are interested the agent would instantly bump up the price to say £5k a week... as agents will assume we have more cash to splash... thus this uses us the funds quicker in order to get players in... (as if we didnt get a player in then fans would be up in arms that we didnt just pay the demands of the player...)

You're speaking hypothetically, Wigan and United more than likely have the biggest budgets in the league. I was arguing that if one of those players on the list that the op put on had a decision to go to that team or us, they would more than likely go for us. A pulling factor being the wage we can offer them and the size of the club. It's all very well saying well if we have 5k left of our wage budget but a team such as Oldham has 10k left who will they go too? What are the chances a team like Bradford, Barnsley, Oldham or a similar sized club's board will let the manager use up all the remaining budget on one player? Possibly risking other players in their squad wanting a similar wage as the new signing.

 

[AlienBlade]

You're speaking hypothetically, Wigan and United more than likely have the biggest budgets in the league. I was arguing that if one of those players on the list that the op put on had a decision to go to that team or us, they would more than likely go for us. A pulling factor being the wage we can offer them and the size of the club. It's all very well saying well if we have 5k left of our wage budget but a team such as Oldham has 10k left who will they go too? What are the chances a team like Bradford, Barnsley, Oldham or a similar sized club's board will let the manager use up all the remaining budget on one player? Possibly risking other players in their squad wanting a similar wage as the new signing.

surely that same risk applies here (bear in mind of that £100k per week, 26 players are first team players then you have kids, so you are talking £3.5k for the average wage" if you had 20k left as a hypotherical figure. would the board (or even manager) want to splash £20k a week on one player or even £10k a week... would they want to do it for a player as it may upset all the other players who are only earning £3.5k... if they answer is yes then surely the answer is yes for the other clubs... especially if said player is deemed as being " the missing peice of the puzzle"

as I said said maybe Bradford (who only have 23 registered players squad number 6 of these are 20 or under) so you could argue that only 17 are going to be on "first team wages" even using my figures above... 50k a week on the squad where the averege earning is just under £3k (not that much difference in the "averege wage" despite the one being twice as much

the other thing you will notice is that many other teams have smaller squads (Barnsley's squad is also incredibly young meaning smaller wages on the whole leaving room for a "marquee" type signing.

so I've just shown why maybe you should stop thinking we can "outspend" our rivals... despite probably having a budget of twice as much (it's actually probably closer than that in reality) (Barnsley Wage Bill just 2 seasons ago was £7.7m from a turnover of 9.1m....) http://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...p-club-accounts-profit-loss-and-the-wage-bill