Edwards vs Reality

[LoughboroBlade]

Agreed. I did wonder at the time if Adkins would do that. Was it a bad call not to? (Genuine Question.) Was Long to blame for the third, just his indecisiveness spreads to the defence? Not to blame for the fourth though.

I thought he'd be replaced. That said, he looked a little more confident 2nd half, perhaps due to having less hostility from behind the goal. Made a save or two, claimed a cross, and actually threw the ball to a defender or two. No chance with goals 3 or 4.

I wouldn't expect to see him start on Saturday. It depends whether Adkins views him as a problem or whether he's a symptom of our larger communication/defence problem.

Whatever happens if say the next 7 days will likely determine if he has a career with us, as Nige would say, moving forwards.

 

[metalblade]

The game as played and the game described by Keith Edwards are different things.

Plenty went wrong yesterday, obviously, but I'd really question the way Edwards sees the game.

There seem to be a lot of posts in all threads based on the way the game has been described rather than the way (I'd say) it was played.

He clearly knows a lot about the game, but it seems to be he sees it in a particular way, and much of the time I disagree with it - to the extent that I can't listen to away games.

Whatever went wrong yesterday I'd much rather listen to the opinion of those who were there bc too much of the time I don't trust what Edwards says.

I'm presuming Edwards was the pundit on RS...

So in short you disagree with how Edwards sees things and would rather listen to people at the game ......... wasn't Edwards at the game ?
You disagree with what Edwards says so much that you don't listen to away match commentary ......... yet you post on here complaining about it while not even knowing if Edwards was the pundit yesterday.
WOW mate what a way to start a thread

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I thought he'd be replaced. That said, he looked a little more confident 2nd half, perhaps due to having less hostility from behind the goal. Made a save or two, claimed a cross, and actually threw the ball to a defender or two. No chance with goals 3 or 4.

I wouldn't expect to see him start on Saturday. It depends whether Adkins views him as a problem or whether he's a symptom of our larger communication/defence problem.

Whatever happens if say the next 7 days will likely determine if he has a career with us, as Nige would say, moving forwards.

Was it Jim Leighton who was left out of a Man United cup final replay team following a few dodgy games, and he was never the same - after having been a good keeper for a long time?

 

[Ashtonsmashton]

I was there, we were s***. And that's all you need to know

 

[LoughboroBlade]

Was it Jim Leighton who was left out of a Man United cup final replay team following a few dodgy games, and he was never the same - after having been a good keeper for a long time?

If by 'never the same' you mean he went on to be a great servant for Hibs, appearing at France '98 for Scotland, then yes!

 

[derryblade]

I would say KE calls it as he sees it, he is red and white through and through but he can see the faults unlike pundits who report on our neighbours. He appears to have got it spot on even NA admitted it and apologized to the travelling fans, nothing seems to have changed, we are useless from set plays offensively and defensively. He highlighted bringing on Salmon and proceedings to pass it along our back four instead of hitting Salmon and hoping Sharpe could get a knock down. It's confirmation to me that our players are clueless and whoever the manager is that wont change, so deriding KE for actually pointing out is a tad rich IMO

 

[Kenilworth]

He tells it how he sees it. I see it very differently. Others do too.

To be fair - if everyone else saw it how you do, consistently, then we would be in the Premier by now

There's positivity and there's denial
A look at the league position in the real universe over the last 6 seasons tells you the picture of how reality actually is - and it aint pretty.

 

[Barney]

Why try and skate around the issue and/or look for excuses?

The vast majority who went said we were shit, the commentators who get paid to tell us how it is said we were shit, the replays of the goals said we were shit, but most of all the scoreline said we were shit.

We were shit, end of.

 

[WhiteHawk]

I can ususally cope with Edwards but yesterday he was unbearable, it was pretty much a 90 minute rant, at times Andy Giddings couldn't get a word in because KE was just going on and on and on and on.

 

[Fulwood Blade]

The game as played and the game described by Keith Edwards are different things.

Plenty went wrong yesterday, obviously, but I'd really question the way Edwards sees the game.

There seem to be a lot of posts in all threads based on the way the game has been described rather than the way (I'd say) it was played.

He clearly knows a lot about the game, but it seems to be he sees it in a particular way, and much of the time I disagree with it - to the extent that I can't listen to away games.

Whatever went wrong yesterday I'd much rather listen to the opinion of those who were there bc too much of the time I don't trust what Edwards says.

I'm presuming Edwards was the pundit on RS...

There is only one answer to your OP.

Edwards 100% cares about United and I suspect you 100% care about United.

People show it in different ways - I actually like the passion he shows during RS broadcasts - for me he tells it warts and all.

I used to have this with a fella who used to sit in front of me and my nipper in John Street - he appeared to have as much passion in him as my nipper had in his little finger, but I am sure he too was a 100% Blade.

As is the want of everyone - we all have an off button - your perogative to use it.

UTB

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

If by 'never the same' you mean he went on to be a great servant for Hibs, appearing at France '98 for Scotland, then yes!

I've no idea of the dates but if he was winning stuff (eg the League) with Man Utd, then a move to Hibs is, relatively, a step down in terms of achievement* even if he does well there.

From vague memory it came about fairly quickly after a long good run of form. I remember there was a lot of media discussion at the time whether to leave him out and the effect it would have on him if he was left out.

Only mention it bc I think subbing Long at half time might've been best, but it also might've finished him off.

*This is what I meant be "never the same".

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Why try and skate around the issue and/or look for excuses?

It's not about looking for excuses. We were poor yesterday, I don't think anyone (apart from George's mum, maybe) is saying we weren't.

But I think Edwards generally misrepresents the games. The problem as I see it is that here (and elsewhere) a lot of the time posts reflect his unchallenged-on-the-radio view. It's all listeners have got to go on. His views carry a lot of weight.

I'd like to hear a different opposing constructive voice.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I was there, we were s***. And that's all you need to know

I was there we were s***. Agreed.

But, like I said, from the posts here I reckon you can tell who's got Edwards' version and who's seen it with their own eyes. And they're not the same.

 

[Stretch]

Yesterday he seemed pissed off about something right from the start; proper grumpy.

Add that performance to the mix and BOOM! ....A proper Edwards meltdown.

 

[derryblade]

Probably when he saw the team sheet, with four of the back five a disaster waiting to happen, don't think he was alone on that line of thought.

 

[SandyMcBlade]

I personally don't give a monkeys what Edwards thinks, anyway if he knows that much about football whys he driving a lorry for a living?
When and the reason why I listen to a commentary is to hear what's happening on the field of play and I'm really not interested in listening to some one else rambling on about what happened earlier in the match at the expense of what' happening on the field at that moment .and despite being told constantly that I'm "not missing anything" I have this horrible feeling I am.......

 

[ilovesufc]

I was there we were s***. Agreed.

But, like I said, from the posts here I reckon you can tell who's got Edwards' version and who's seen it with their own eyes. And they're not the same.

So what are the differences then? I haven't seen any comments on here from anyone either at the game or at home listening that are barely any different to KE's view of the game. Like I said I just don't really get your point here.

 

[beatific blade]

What pissed me off re. Edwards is that he was going bat shit crazy only 10 mins into the season when we were only 1-0 down.

What's wrong with him?! Fair enough it was justified at the end of the game but if we'd have beat them 4-1 he would've looked a right dickhead.

Oh and then he tells us he's not seen a thing of us pre-season... well that explains it then doesn't it Keith?

He needs to pipe down a bit and offer quality insight rather than a load of bollocks that any knuckle-dragger on the Kop could have come out with.

 

[ilovesufc]

What pissed me off re. Edwards is that he was going bat shit crazy only 10 mins into the season when we were only 1-0 down.

What's wrong with him?! Fair enough it was justified at the end of the game but if we'd have beat them 4-1 he would've looked a right dickhead.

However they beat us 4-0 so therefore he was probably correct in his assessment of the first 10 minutes?

 

[beatific blade]

However they beat us 4-0 so therefore he was probably correct in his assessment of the first 10 minutes?

In hindsight, yes, you're right. His assessment turned out to be correct - but I thought his attitude was horrific after only 10 mins into the season.

At that point the game could easily have been turned on its head - his ranting at that point was totally unnecessary and it felt like he'd carry on even if we went and scored 10.

Just my thoughts but I'm sure others will see where I'm coming from.

 

[Lane Ender]

I've no idea of the dates but if he was winning stuff (eg the League) with Man Utd, then a move to Hibs is, relatively, a step down in terms of achievement* even if he does well there.

From vague memory it came about fairly quickly after a long good run of form. I remember there was a lot of media discussion at the time whether to leave him out and the effect it would have on him if he was left out.

Only mention it bc I think subbing Long at half time might've been best, but it also might've finished him off.

*This is what I meant be "never the same".

 

[Lane Ender]

I've no idea of the dates but if he was winning stuff (eg the League) with Man Utd, then a move to Hibs is, relatively, a step down in terms of achievement* even if he does well there.

From vague memory it came about fairly quickly after a long good run of form. I remember there was a lot of media discussion at the time whether to leave him out and the effect it would have on him if he was left out.

Only mention it bc I think subbing Long at half time might've been best, but it also might've finished him off.

*This is what I meant be "never the same".

It's a brutal game I reckon that game he's finished him at this club.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

What pissed me off re. Edwards is that he was going bat shit crazy only 10 mins into the season when we were only 1-0 down.

4-0 suggests he was right?

Agree about large patches of the game go missing with Mr Edwards.

 

[Cyprus Blade]

I think there are better pundits available. When he went to have his hip op the technical analysis from his deputies was much better and much less ego to boot. Not saying he was wrong in what he said, as I haven't had the stomach to watch the game on BP yet, but he rides his hobby horses too much and talks about himself an awful lot instead of the game in my view. Thought Holdsworth was better.

 

[LoughboroBlade]

I think there are better pundits available. When he went to have his hip op the technical analysis from his deputies was much better and much less ego to boot. Not saying he was wrong in what he said, as I haven't had the stomach to watch the game on BP yet, but he rides his hobby horses too much and talks about himself an awful lot instead of the game in my view. Thought Holdsworth was better.

Best pundit Radio Sheffield have had was Dougie Hodgson. Entertainment guaranteed.

 

[WhiteHawk]

In hindsight, yes, you're right. His assessment turned out to be correct - but I thought his attitude was horrific after only 10 mins into the season.

At that point the game could easily have been turned on its head - his ranting at that point was totally unnecessary and it felt like he'd carry on even if we went and scored 10.

Just my thoughts but I'm sure others will see where I'm coming from.

This.

6 minutes into the season and he's ripping into them like we're bottom of the league after 30 games.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

This.

6 minutes into the season and he's ripping into them like we're bottom of the league after 30 games.

Sadly the 4-0 score line suggests he was right.

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

Yes it was a bad call. But I'll forgive Adkins as it was his first game for us. Probably wouldn't have affected the result anyway. The whole team was badly selected and prepared.

Dont think Adkins does badly selected and prepared . I just think yet again the players for some reason get a mental blockage ( a bit like at Yoevil last season ) . The reality, could be , collectively we are not good enough covering each others strengths and weaknessess.

We all see the game differantly ( and it does depend were you sit to watch ) , but whats evident , we still just need some league 1 leaders on the field of play.

With regards Edwards , he sees it like a terrace fan , and perhaps says it how he sees it , and i see nowt wrong with that . If you want political , doplomatic PR , listen to 909 or watch Jeff Stelling or have a away day.

UTB

 

[WhiteHawk]

Sadly the 4-0 score line suggests he was right.

Indeed

 

[ilovesufc]

In hindsight, yes, you're right. His assessment turned out to be correct - but I thought his attitude was horrific after only 10 mins into the season.

At that point the game could easily have been turned on its head - his ranting at that point was totally unnecessary and it felt like he'd carry on even if we went and scored 10.

Just my thoughts but I'm sure others will see where I'm coming from.

I agree that he was ranting and raving a bit too much - but overall it seems his assessment of the game was correct. He'd obviously got himself wound up pre match about the team we put out - Long in net etc. It doesn't really bother me though, I like his passion for the club, and I generally agree with most of his sentiments re the team / individual players. I don't really see where the idea comes from that hes watching a different game every week comes from, as nine times you of ten the views he has on the game during commentary are backed up by the views of people on here and on P or G, who have been to the match.