Good post by Hoppo 1978 on Bladesmad

[Bladesway]

Another it's the fans fault thread deary me, when just about 100% of the fan base is quite positive with the appointment of Adkins we have to drag this shit up again. Positive thinking comes from the top at any club fans only react to what is put in front of them. For someone so knowledgeable about all things United Silent Blade really does himself a disservice posting such rubbish I really would expect so much better from him.

Just shows, we can even read the thread in a positive or negative light eh metal? Not what I read or saw at all.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Interesting and we could go on forever about positive and negative. For me it is easy to be positive when everything is great, but to find something to cling onto when its shit separates the few from the many (and I include myself in the many). I want my criticism to be constructive because I care. Like everyone I have invested time and money and don't like seeing us where we are, but I start every season the same. "We could win this" is my first thought. Even when we were in the Premiership, that first result when we drew with Liverpool I thought we could be top 10. Lets be honest when we won away at Wigan and stopped being star struck I wasn't the only one thought we were at home in the Premiership.

Strange thing is, at work I always try and be positive, at home I am the same. Like most I have had some shit thrown at me in life and bounced back. That makes you happy and cynical in the same breathe.

What I see at SUFC right now is positive, we have the right people in charge, we have a good manager and in spite of what some will say I believe we have a good squad that just needs some fine tuning to make it into something that can top this league. I am normally one of the last to call for the Managers head because no matter who he is, I want him to succeed. If Megson was in charge I would still want him to win every game. This is my club and I want us to win no matter who is the man in charge. I wanted McCabe to prove me wrong, I wanted Robson to prove us all wrong.

Just my opinion but some of the shit thrown at managers like Wilson, Blackwell and Clough is unacceptable. The distance between success and failure is so small and these men did their best. For whatever reason it wasn't good enough but to mock them and say they were shit isn't on. Someone like Robson I feel differently about because he had everything in place to do better and I don't think SUFC got his undivided attention.

Anyhow, back to being positive. I am right now and I hope to remain so throughout the season. One thing is true, our fans do get on the teams back and can be the difference. It shouldn't be that way because whoever turns out to play and manage SUFC should be busting their balls no matter what the crowd is doing but life isn't like that. All I ask is we give this team a fair chance at success or failure. Heres hoping its the former,

This is the best post you have ever written on this Forum.... you've won a badge!!!

 

[Woodwardfan]

Another it's the fans fault thread deary me, when just about 100% of the fan base is quite positive with the appointment of Adkins we have to drag this shit up again. Positive thinking comes from the top at any club fans only react to what is put in front of them. For someone so knowledgeable about all things United Silent Blade really does himself a disservice posting such rubbish I really would expect so much better from him.

I know exactly what you mean but get over it, there has to be a better way forward.

The new manager has the personality to unite us all, after all, the only certain thing about the future is that it has yet to happen, the past is all done and dusted.

 

[Pinchy]

Just shows, we can even read the thread in a positive or negative light eh metal? Not what I read or saw at all.

Me neither. We do, however, have some "fans" whose idea of support is an odd one. Whether they are at fault is arguable. Personally, I regard the "I've paid my money so have the right to boo, insult and abuse" argument quite pitiful.

 

[GRUMPY BLADE]

He was talking about what Adkins said last night. We must give a lot of backing to our team throughout the season


He also spent the full evening going on about positivity and everyone pulling together from the fans to the staff to the team. He talked about how when he used to come to Bramall Lane as a player and a manager the tactics were always "keep it tight and a clean sheet for half an hour and then the fans will get frustrated and turn on the team and then the players will be affected and we can then get on top".

In my option that is why it is important that we all remain positive at the match and even in pubs, on social media and fans forums. Negativity is like a cancer and spreads, ultimately down to the team and impacts likelihood of success. Lendegoey has been riddled with negativity cancer for years. Certain people are naturally more negative in life I suppose. Take Len again and his only comment was to pick out the biggest negative in my initial post and exploit on it (even though it was a mistake and an incorrectly overegged figure given by Adkins which he regretted immediately). Instead of looking at the good points and referencing them he looks for the stuff to moan about. He and other overly critical and negative fans are part of the problem. If we can get a few more fans thinking positively about the season we can get the momentum building that Adkins keeps referencing and who knows where it could take us.

Reight I'm in, we've got the best c/h's in the league.

 

[Woodwardfan]

Reight I'm in, we've got the best c/h's in the league.

No, but we don't need the best to be Champions. Team game.

 

[SUFC Handsworth]

I'll be a lot more positive about this season once Adkins has added two big dominant centre halves and a target man!

Quite happy with the quality throughout the squad, it's the lack of steel that worries me.

 

[Silent Blade]

Another it's the fans fault thread deary me, when just about 100% of the fan base is quite positive with the appointment of Adkins we have to drag this shit up again. Positive thinking comes from the top at any club fans only react to what is put in front of them. For someone so knowledgeable about all things United Silent Blade really does himself a disservice posting such rubbish I really would expect so much better from him.

Sigh!

 

[Bladesway]

Me neither. We do, however, have some "fans" whose idea of support is an odd one. Whether they are at fault is arguable. Personally, I regard the "I've paid my money so have the right to boo, insult and abuse" argument quite pitiful.

I agree but disagree in equal measure. Fans are fans whether you like the way they support. Bit like your family, you can't choose them. Metal and I disagree on most things but I would never doubt his credentials as a blade, neither should I. What I do respect is we can have a good old dust up on here and we still want the same thing, the best for our team.

And in fact Pinchy as this forum proves, even if you don't pay your money you still takes your choice and that is how it should be.

Opinions all stink, but this place would be buggered without them.

 

[Silent Blade]

Reight I'm in, we've got the best c/h's in the league.

I think Adkins is looking to strengthen our CB department

 

[Sirius]

There's some right Tits on here.
OK I'll get my coat.[/QUOTe

Strange, here in New Zealand, they are paired uo LEFT and Right

 

[Pinchy]

I think Adkins is looking to strengthen our CB department

Yes but he hadn't realised the need 'til he read about it on here...

 

[metalblade]

Sigh!

You might well sigh Silent, once again you are moaning about fans who don't quite share your "everything Sheff Utd is good" outlook. You were at it all last season moaning at anyone who dared to criticise negative Nigel when in reality the problem was not negative fans but a team with no centre backs with a crap manager playing crap football. Does your ultra optimism make you so blind that you can only point the finger at fellow supporters for the team failings ? Take a look over in S6 and their deluded ultra positive fans and ask yourself where it has got them I don't see them winning the champions league or even the championship any time soon.
We have now got the best manager in league one, the fan base on the whole is upbeat and positive, we are finally starting to make the right moves to get us out of this division so what do we have to moan about ? Yeah that's right nothing especially as a ball has yet to be kicked.
I really don't see the point of this thread are you getting your excuses in early just in case we fail or are you just whining and moaning at fellow fans for the sake of it ? I know pre season is a bit boring but FFS get a grip man the fans have never been the problem at Sheffield United.

 

[him behind you]

You might well sigh Silent, once again you are moaning about fans who don't quite share your "everything Sheff Utd is good" outlook. You were at it all last season moaning at anyone who dared to criticise negative Nigel when in reality the problem was not negative fans but a team with no centre backs with a crap manager playing crap football. Does your ultra optimism make you so blind that you can only point the finger at fellow supporters for the team failings ? Take a look over in S6 and their deluded ultra positive fans and ask yourself where it has got them I don't see them winning the champions league or even the championship any time soon.
We have now got the best manager in league one, the fan base on the whole is upbeat and positive, we are finally starting to make the right moves to get us out of this division so what do we have to moan about ? Yeah that's right nothing especially as a ball has yet to be kicked.
I really don't see the point of this thread are you getting your excuses in early just in case we fail or are you just whining and moaning at fellow fans for the sake of it ? I know pre season is a bit boring but FFS get a grip man the fans have never been the problem at Sheffield United.

You're right metal but, equally, we have a number of posters who are already moaning before we've seen a ball kicked or seen what the new manager is planning.

 

[Revolution]

You're right metal but, equally, we have a number of posters who are already moaning before we've seen a ball kicked or seen what the new manager is planning.

Who? Who is doing this?

 

[Silent Blade]

You might well sigh Silent, once again you are moaning about fans who don't quite share your "everything Sheff Utd is good" outlook. You were at it all last season moaning at anyone who dared to criticise negative Nigel when in reality the problem was not negative fans but a team with no centre backs with a crap manager playing crap football. Does your ultra optimism make you so blind that you can only point the finger at fellow supporters for the team failings ? Take a look over in S6 and their deluded ultra positive fans and ask yourself where it has got them I don't see them winning the champions league or even the championship any time soon.
We have now got the best manager in league one, the fan base on the whole is upbeat and positive, we are finally starting to make the right moves to get us out of this division so what do we have to moan about ? Yeah that's right nothing especially as a ball has yet to be kicked.
I really don't see the point of this thread are you getting your excuses in early just in case we fail or are you just whining and moaning at fellow fans for the sake of it ? I know pre season is a bit boring but FFS get a grip man the fans have never been the problem at Sheffield United.

In your previous reply you claimed I said that it was the fans fault again also that I was talking shit so I sighed at your exaggeration! I was asking for unity and positivity which should help to lift our players during matches

 

[super_pig]

He was talking about what Adkins said last night. We must give a lot of backing to our team throughout the season

wow.. so it was the fans fault all along.. maybe some of the bigger blades can knock some of the moaners into shape then..

btw i can't believe NA said that. i'd like to see the transcript first.. otherwise it is just the same suspects knocking the fans on here.. btw i'll put this in capitals to save bandwidth
JUST BECAUSE I MOAN ON HERE DOESN'T MEAN I MOAN AT THE SHIRT WHEN THE GAME IS ON

 

[Pinchy]

...the fans have never been the problem at Sheffield United.

That's debatable. They've never been the solution, that's for sure. We have a nasty minority who are some of the worst fans in football. Sorry Bladey Blades, Ive seen and heard them all over the country. Ignorant, abusive, insulting and negative from first minute to last. For want of a better phrase: Single-Cells. See the "Wilson Out" photo for a graphic example.

As for the support at home - it would be a good idea! Why so upset about Silent suggesting we get behind the team? Surely that should come naturally to such wonderful fans?

 

[Pinchy]

wow.. so it was the fans fault all along.. maybe some of the bigger blades can knock some of the moaners into shape then..
message for Nigel.. it is up to us not to be shit in the first 30 minutes so this doesn't occur.. chickens.. eggs and all that. please don't read my posts on this board. some of them may be critical and i don't want to upset the poor dears

The trouble is some of us want to fight for the right to moan incessantly and still claim to be the "best fans in the world...". That's a difficult circle to square, don't you think?

 

[super_pig]

note i edited my post since pinchy replied
personally i don't care about this epithet best fans in the world. but.while we're here.. what are the criteria then?? take it up the arse for 40 years??.. we qualify!!
i wonder if chelsea fans moan. interesting

 

[super_pig]

Why so upset about Silent suggesting we get behind the team? Surely that should come naturally to such wonderful fans?

surprise i think. it is a given so most of us don't have to consider it.. good point about the 'one cells' though

 

[super_pig]

In your previous reply you claimed I said that it was the fans fault again also that I was talking shit so I sighed at your exaggeration! I was asking for unity and positivity which should help to lift our players during matches

problem is you couldn't resist a chip at some of the perceived moaners while you were at it (self included admittedly)

 

[metalblade]

That's debatable. They've never been the solution, that's for sure. We have a nasty minority who are some of the worst fans in football. Sorry Bladey Blades, Ive seen and heard them all over the country. Ignorant, abusive, insulting and negative from first minute to last. For want of a better phrase: Single-Cells. See the "Wilson Out" photo for a graphic example.

As for the support at home - it would be a good idea! Why so upset about Silent suggesting we get behind the team? Surely that should come naturally to such wonderful fans?

The OP quoted overly critical and negative fans as being part of the problem, I am merely asking what the problem is. We have the best manager in the division the fans can't wait for the season to start just what is there to moan about when a ball has yet to be kicked. Yet some of the so called ultra positive types have to find something to have a pop at in this case it is the fans, the same fans that could see things were going tits up early on last season. The happy clappers and Clough apologist's were moaning all last season excuse after excuse until the only thing left to blame for the teams failure was fellow fans, they can't accept Clough was rubbish, they cant accept tippy tappy football was shit to watch, they can't accept they got it wrong and they can't let it go............ a bit like you with the Bladey blade crap.

 

[him behind you]

Who? Who is doing this?

I'd just finished reading the threads about leaving it too late to make signings and budgets etc. etc.

 

[Revolution]

I'd just finished reading the threads about leaving it too late to make signings and budgets etc. etc.

That's not moaning to me. That's debating and expressing concern. You've just created a straw man.

 

[him behind you]

That's not moaning to me. That's debating and expressing concern. You've just created a straw man.

Is debating not more about putting forward an arguement or case to support your point or to convince your "opponent" that you are correct? IMO there is a lot in those threads where people seem to be grasping at straws to have a moan. Don't get me wrong, I moan with the best of them to the point that I'm such a bad blade that I haven't got a season ticket this year because I need to be won round after last season's lack of entertainment - but equally I'm not going to burst a blood vessel just because the new manager dared to suggest that there could be 6 clubs in the division who might have a bigger budget than us or accuse him of not being confident enough because he doesn't tell us that we're going to walk the league.

 

[Pinchy]

The OP quoted overly critical and negative fans as being part of the problem, I am merely asking what the problem is. We have the best manager in the division the fans can't wait for the season to start just what is there to moan about when a ball has yet to be kicked. Yet some of the so called ultra positive types have to find something to have a pop at in this case it is the fans, the same fans that could see things were going tits up early on last season. The happy clappers and Clough apologist's were moaning all last season excuse after excuse until the only thing left to blame for the teams failure was fellow fans, they can't accept Clough was rubbish, they cant accept tippy tappy football was shit to watch, they can't accept they got it wrong and they can't let it go............ a bit like you with the Bladey blade crap.

As I expected. You have the right to criticise all you like, but can't cope with being challenged...

 

[super_pig]

right i'm going to backtrack slightly
the OP made some useful points but then spoiled his argument by having a dig at the supposed 'moaners'
actually once again everyone is right but we arent' comparing apples with apples
there are two aspects to this. the actual games and outside games
football is all about opinions. that's why we love it. what is said on here is no different to discussions that occur throughout the world. who would i buy / pick. why are we so good/crap.. how does he get picked/not picked. what would 'i' do if i were kevin mccabe/ nigel adkins whatever.. this is normal. with the greatest respect to Deadbat i don't think the boys rush home after each game to check out their ratings. these guys are professionals and know what they need to do / how they played etc.. (it makes you wonder sometimes though) .. so this aspect of people moaning on here i can't accept.. that is what football is about
on the other hand Silent makes a good point about the atmosphere at the games.. it is really flat these days. the Sturm Graz boys with their 7k fans put us to shame. no shit. but that is due to the seating arrangements IMO.. something needs to be done here. i never boo the shirt in the games ..even if Monty is wearing it
every team thinks their fans are the best. metal never said we thought we were the best but that the 'fans have never been the problem'. if you look at events at Newcastle and the like then i think they get off pretty well to say we've won fuck all since my grandfathers dad stood on the kop..
so please understand if we moan on here it is just debate. get behind the team at the games. the team dont give a monkeys what we say on here

we're all blades.. ill try and find the Delia avatar again
UTB and FTP

 

[him behind you]

Have a like sp. I think the only problem is that we all think we're the realists and those who don't agree with us are clappers or knockers depending on your sideof the debate. In reality we have two main camps, those of us who seem to look only for the positive and those of us who seem to look only for the negative when realists will flit from side to side because none of us are always right. And note I've used "us" a lot because we're all the same.

 

[Pinchy]

right i'm going to backtrack slightly
the OP made some useful points but then spoiled his argument by having a dig at the supposed 'moaners'
actually once again everyone is right but we arent' comparing apples with apples
there are two aspects to this. the actual games and outside games
football is all about opinions. that's why we love it. what is said on here is no different to discussions that occur throughout the world. who would i buy / pick. why are we so good/crap.. how does he get picked/not picked. what would 'i' do if i were kevin mccabe/ nigel adkins whatever.. this is normal. with the greatest respect to Deadbat i don't think the boys rush home after each game to check out their ratings. these guys are professionals and know what they need to do / how they played etc.. (it makes you wonder sometimes though) .. so this aspect of people moaning on here i can't accept.. that is what football is about
on the other hand Silent makes a good point about the atmosphere at the games.. it is really flat these days. the Sturm Graz boys with their 7k fans put us to shame. no shit. but that is due to the seating arrangements IMO.. something needs to be done here. i never boo the shirt in the games ..even if Monty is wearing it
every team thinks their fans are the best. metal never said we thought we were the best but that the 'fans have never been the problem'. if you look at events at Newcastle and the like then i think they get off pretty well to say we've won fuck all since my grandfathers dad stood on the kop..
so please understand if we moan on here it is just debate. get behind the team at the games. the team dont give a monkeys what we say on here

we're all blades.. ill try and find the Delia avatar again
UTB and FTP

Well said.

I'm afraid the problem with the "moaners" I have in mind (I have a different phrase for them that I'm not allowed to use) is that they want to have their cake and eat it. They will fight to the death for the right to moan; free rein to abuse and insult, for example, Nigel Clough but hugely intolerant of the rights of others to challenge their views. We have a graphic example at #53. There are no more than half a dozen of them. Coming soon to a Saturday Shoutbox near you...