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Torrix1889 said:
I've been saying for the past few weeks Coutts will be our best player next season, I may have to eat a lot of humble pie, but i doubt ut.
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How dare you show optimism on here Torrix!
Shame on you!! ;)
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If we get Coutts and Wallace fit with Basham we will have the best midfield in league one. One of Clough's failings was playing his favourites and one or two more players who were clearly not 100% fit which did neither them or the team any favours, I expect quite a few players to show a big improvement next season Coutts being one of them. Perhaps the OP was made when still under the influence of a few too many Carlings.
 
CarlingBlade said:
These fans who can see something in him which the rest of us can't really are in cloud cuckoo land.
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Thanks for speaking up for us, the rest of us who don't have a voice.

You're a true saviour of the supporters, pull down the statue of the pig in the car park. You deserve one for your selfless crusade to let the silent yet timid majorities voice be heard.
 
metalblade said:
If we get Coutts and Wallace fit with Basham we will have the best midfield in league one. One of Clough's failings was playing his favourites and one or two more players who were clearly not 100% fit which did neither them or the team any favours, I expect quite a few players to show a big improvement next season Coutts being one of them. Perhaps the OP was made when still under the influence of a few too many Carlings.
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I am not sure I agree with that and think there wll be quicker and more technical midfields for quite a few clubs. Those 3 are woefully slow and lack mobility.

Whilst the original poster is OTT; I am still unsure why people are so connived Coutts will be a key man based on what they saw last season?

Wallace was ok when fit and Coutts showed some signs but was mostly poor. Basham was decent but all three lack pace, athleticism, creativity and goals. In a central midfielder you would normally want:

A good tackler/hard man/does the dirty work
Can get into the box and score goals
Can dribble and create things by himself
Good passer with ability to go short and long
Good header of the ball that can win most things in the air

I am not sure any of those 3 would be ticking many of those boxes. Many forget that the likes of Gladwin, Luongo and Byrne dominated midfield for most of the 2 legs against us.

Coutts I am not convinvced by at all. He lacks pace,, stamina and his passing was surprisingly poor. Not seen anything to suggest he will be this key player. Basham is decent and I think surrounded by others will be a key player next season. Wallace just cannot stay fit. I would give him till Xmas and then buy out his contract if he has any further spells on the treatment table.
 
Ah Coutts, the latter day Jonathan Hunt. I'm not sure what people describing him as "tidy" have seen. Tidy to me would mean retaining possession and playing crisp, accurate passes, much like McDonald used to. We haven't seen this from Coutts in a Blades shirt. Both the weighting and accuracy of his passes has been awful and he seems incapable of carrying the ball anywhere further than three feet from where he received it. All too often we saw him receive the ball, turn on it a little bit, then play a sideways or backwards pass that didn't reach its intended target.

Pre-season had better be bloody good if it's going to turn him into a player that is going to contribute anything at all to our team next season.

If he's anything like the Coutts we've seen so far, if he's our best player next season, we're more likely to be in a relegation scrap than a promotion push. Luckily, I doubt very much he will be our best player.
 
IF Wallace gets fit, IF Coutts gets over his injury, IF Basham is played in midfield, IF my aunty had bollocks etc etc. One of the reasons NC was given the boot was he set his stall out counting on injury prone duds like Wallace, Higdon, Coutts etc.
 
The jury is still out on Coutts for me. I can see a good player in there somewhere but his previous injury may prove too much for him. If he gets a good pre-season under his belt and plays like the Coutts at Barnsley, he could be an influential player next season.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So you liked Monty but don't see anything in Coutts?
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I could see monty was giving it 100%, I don't see any positives from Coutts apart from some fans saying he COULD be a decent player, based on what evidence I'm not sure cos he's looked fucking awful I'm all the matches I've seen him in.
 
I'm looking forward to seeing Coutts with a full pre season behind him,and for me he showed enough to think he'll turn out to be a decent signing....I thought he finished the season quite well..at last a deep lying midfielder who can pass the ball,who gets it and gives it,and always shows for the ball...good in tight areas,sees the pass early..no disrespect to Doyle or Monty...but a big improvement for me...I think people see him misplace a pass or 2,and can't see past that,or maybe is it his Clough connection,I don't know...I must admit I don't like him in the wide position he was used in a couple of times,prefer him in the middle.
 

Coutts, Wallace, Basham and Cuvelier, would be great options to choose from for the CM spots. If they can all get and stay fit anyway.

Last season Coutts showed glimpses of being a good player, with his worst performances being when he first joined, when he was often played out of position as well, being stuck out on the right wing. From those first performances many fans decided he was poor, then never gave him a chance afterwards. As they do with many a player
 
awblade said:
Coutts, Wallace, Basham and Cuvelier, would be great options to choose from for the CM spots. If they can all get and stay fit anyway.

Last season Coutts showed glimpses of being a good player, with his worst performances being when he first joined, when he was often played out of position as well, being stuck out on the right wing. From those first performances many fans decided he was poor, then never gave him a chance afterwards. As they do with many a player
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People thought Murphy was poor for a long spell when he came. That's because he was. Then he stopped being poor, and people didn't think he was poor anymore. It was just that simple. None of this "never giving him a chance afterwards" existed.

Coutts had lots of detractors last season for no other reason than for the most part, he was fucking shite. There is no need to shift the blame onto the long suffering fans.

If his no show was due to recovery from injury then he'll demonstrate that this season, and we'll ALL be happy. And he'll still have been shite last season.

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alcoblade said:
People thought Murphy was poor for a long spell when he came. That's because he was. Then he stopped being poor, and people didn't think he was poor anymore. It was just that simple. None of this "never giving him a chance afterwards" existed.

Coutts had lots of detractors last season for no other reason than for the most part, he was fucking shite. There is no need to shift the blame onto the long suffering fans.

If his no show was due to recovery from injury then he'll demonstrate that this season, and we'll ALL be happy. And he'll still have been shite last season.

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Don't agree with this at all. If some fans don't see the talent and write players off they aren't correct and poor long suffering good guys when the player comes through, they're idiots.
They're unable to see ability unless it's so obvious everyone will think it. Judging a player means you need to be able see those who are overperforming, and won't maintain it, as well as those who have the talent but haven't realised it.
This would be the type of fans who were attacking Basham last season and would have hounded him out given half a chance, same with Murphy and countless others.
If they turn on a player through their ignorance then of course it's the fans fault. All players are human, go through peaks and dips in form and you need to tell the difference between that and a player being shit.
 
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Flatulent_Bob said:
Don't agree with this at all. If some fans don't see the talent and write players off they aren't correct and poor long suffering good guys when the player comes through, they're idiots.
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You've missed my point.

If Coutts has a stormer next season and fans are still on his back, then they are idiots.

But, barring the mad few that aren't worth spending our time discussing, it won't happen. Just like it didn't with Murphy.

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bartman said:
I can only assume from that comment you didn't see Coutts play in the last few games of the season or you wouldn't be talking such rubbish.
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Not sure why you consider it rubbish, when he topped the charts for worst player and disappointing signing. Yes I can see a player there and hopefully Adkins is the man to get it out of there, however his performances in the last couple of games were 'ok', nothing special and we need to do better in midfield.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Don't agree with this at all. If some fans don't see the talent and write players off they aren't correct and poor long suffering good guys when the player comes through, they're idiots.
They're unable to see ability unless it's so obvious everyone will think it. Judging a player means you need to be able see those who are overperforming, and won't maintain it, as well as those who have the talent but haven't realised it.
This would be the type of fans who were attacking Basham last season and would have hounded him out given half a chance, same with Murphy and countless others.
If they turn on a player through their ignorance then of course it's the fans fault. All players are human, go through peaks and dips in form and you need to tell the difference between that and a player being shit.
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Agree with this point, football fans are too harsh when judging players. After Jamie Murphy's first few months here I think most of us agreed that he wasn't playing well. Loads of posters wrote him off at that stage. In my opinion the interesting debate back then wasn't if he was crap or not (that's just contradiction). The real debate should have been "does Murphy have the potential to perform better and what could be done to realise that potential?"

A few general things to consider:

  • Is the player still developing?
  • Is the player still recovering from an injury?
  • Is the player adapting/settling?
  • Is the player playing in his favoured role?
  • Is the player playing in a balanced side with complementary skills?
  • Is the team settled?
  • Which tactical tweaks could help?
  • Will replacing other team members make the player fit in better?

We should be more careful about describing players like crap, especially when it comes to new arrivals, and in times when we're struggling as a team.
 
Bergen Blade said:
Agree with this point, football fans are too harsh when judging players. After Jamie Murphy's first few months here I think most of us agreed that he wasn't playing well. Loads of posters wrote him off at that stage. In my opinion the interesting debate back then wasn't if he was crap or not (that's just contradiction). The real debate should have been "does Murphy have the potential to perform better and what could be done to realise that potential?"

A few general things to consider:

  • Is the player still developing?
  • Is the player still recovering from an injury?
  • Is the player adapting/settling?
  • Is the player playing in his favoured role?
  • Is the player playing in a balanced side with complementary skills?
  • Is the team settled?
  • Which tactical tweaks could help?
  • Will replacing other team members make the player fit in better?

We should be more careful about describing players like crap, especially when it comes to new arrivals, and in times when we're struggling as a team.
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I agree with this wholeheartedly.


In my criticism of Coutts, on numerous occasions I've tried to explain that I have not written him off. None the less, a shit performance is just describing what's happened in the past. It's a matter of fact, from the view of the person making the assessment.

Why that performance was shit, and whether the player has room for improvement, is a different story.

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Fiery Blade said:
Coutts is a proper footballer - Something Mr Carling Blade is probably not used to !
The original post really sets the tone !
New Season, New Manager same old negativity !!!
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Coutts is a proper player, Coutts is shit. Amazing how people see it so differently. None of us see any more or less than anyone else but opinion is so polarised. Lets give Adkins chance to assess because thankfully it is his opinion that counts.
 
I must admit I thought Murphy was dreadful for a good while after he signed. The regularity with which he ran the ball out of play astonished me - are the pitches generally a yard longer in Scotland?

That said, I don't know what people think this mythical 'pre-season' is. It's apparently some sort of panacea that cures bad knees, all manner of muscular injuries, chronic bad form, weight issues and in some cases plain being dreadful.

No doubt some players will benefit but I doubt a little sun and sea will turn all of Higdon, Wallace, Coutts, Cuvelier and even our Tel from perma-crocks and no-hopers into a fighting force.
 
bartman said:
I can only assume from that comment you didn't see Coutts play in the last few games of the season or you wouldn't be talking such rubbish.
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I saw him in all home games and away at Orient, I can only describe those performances as poor, well below the standards I'd expect.
 
Fiery Blade said:
Coutts is a proper footballer - Something Mr Carling Blade is probably not used to !
The original post really sets the tone !
New Season, New Manager same old negativity !!!
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Can you quantify 'proper footballer'?

In my 25 years plus of watching the Blades I'd say midfield wise, Hodges, Cowen, McCall and Brown were proper midfielders. I wouldn't even put Coutts in the same category as Jones, Booker, Gannon or monty who let's not forget all played in 'successful' sides and performed consistently. Coutts will be firmly in the Ian Hamilton / Jonathan Hunt file, a poor player with no effort and playing in a poor division.

No one can complain he's not been given a chance as he was one of Cloughs favourites.
 

Bergen Blade said:
His best games for us were Bristol City and Barnsley away.
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I didn't go to either but his performance coincides with the teams best performance of the season as s collective effort.

He's not the sort to take a game by the scruff of the neck and influence proceedings. I'd say bang average, probably below average most of the games he played in.
 
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