Clough Poll

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Clough

  • Clough In

    Votes: 288 65.5%
  • Clough Out

    Votes: 152 34.5%

  • Total voters
    440
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this poll makes my mind boggle. A manager who is so incompetent that he doesn't see the need for CBs. I'm not sure there's even one fan of this club who agrees with that assessment, yet a clear majority wants him to stay in charge. Baffling.

And yes, I might be wrong, like say not having any tall players to defend corners or free kicks. No one would have thought of that.

These are things I'd expect a pub manager to be on top of.
 



Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but this poll makes my mind boggle. A manager who is so incompetent that he doesn't see the need for CBs. I'm not sure there's even one fan of this club who agrees with that assessment, yet a clear majority wants him to stay in charge. Baffling.

And yes, I might be wrong, like say not having any tall players to defend corners or free kicks. No one would have thought of that.

These are things I'd expect a pub manager to be on top of.
As in all walks of life people are generally scared of change, that is the only reason I can see to vote to keep him. Anyone reading the Deadbat report would drop him like a hot coal.
 
Given our history of managerial appointments, I can see why people might be reluctant. But his record, given his resources, in the league is poor. And the performances have been almost universally unacceptable.
 
Not a dig at you TexasBlade but the point about Clough falling out with Butler that everybody makes.

Why does everybody blame NC for the falling out?

For example, what if Butler was acting all Billy Big Bollocks and wouldn't back down when NC stood up to him?

What is NC supposed to do, let him get away with it?

Nobody knows why Collins and Butler became out of favour and idle speculation helps no-one.

Precisely. You can only have one man in charge of a club.

It's funny how lower league journeyman Andy Butler has become world class in the eyes of the Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] simply by not playing.
 
No brainer he has got to go ..........................
boring negative football
piss poor signings
playing his ex Derby mates even if they are in shit form or unfit
playing players out of their preferred positions
falling out with players rather than managing them
constantly publicly slating certain players
always moaning about refs or anyone else after a defeat, never his mistakes is it.
failing to address the CB problem we have had all season
failing to address the striker problem we have had since the day he came to SUFC
his view of progress is being 4pts better of than last season, yes the season where we had 4pts from David Weirs management. Sorry we have gone backwards Nigel
the ridiculous decision to spend near on £2m on a full back, other clubs in this league build entire teams for less than that
no league promotions on his CV and you can see why
playing players who are unfit
the general poor fitness levels of the entire squad most are blown out of their arse after 60mins
the poor levels of medical care it seems most players are suffering injury after injury it can't all be down to bad luck, not signing players coming back from serious injury might help a bit.
poor scouting there is a whole world outside of Derby, Blackpool and the lower levels of Scotland you know.
refusing to use modern technology like pro zone, then some wonder why he is called non league Nigel.

Just making it harder for the insane to avoid the obvious :(
 
It's funny how lower league journeyman Andy Butler has become world class in the eyes of the Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] simply by not playing.

Not sure what Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] means and what you are alluding to but I hadn't noticed anyone on here making that kind of outrageous claim for the journeyman centre half mentioned (other than you in your post). Butler was brought in to do a job by Clough, presumably because a job needed doing and he was assessed as up to doing it (whether that was a correct assessment of what he offered is debatable and not worth talking about since he is long gone). Otherwise what was the bloke in charge doing signing him?

What happened next is pure conjecture on everyone's part but what is not is that the job still needed doing and the bloke in charge left us without anyone to do it for 2 loan windows and a transfer window. Of course the standard of our defending was so good afterwards we didn't even notice the defence was made up of a crock, Basham and full backs did we? (Alcock, Brayford both 5'8"). But its easier to talk about how crap Butler is/was than address the fact that the bloke in charge royally screwed up the squad balance, though isn't it?
 
Precisely. You can only have one man in charge of a club.

It's funny how lower league journeyman Andy Butler has become world class in the eyes of the Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] simply by not playing.

I can't remember anyone giving the impression that Butler was the answer to all our defensive issues but the Centre Half debacle which involved Butler, Collins, the sale of Maguire, the lack of confidence in Magahey, Terry's dodgy knees, the failure to bring in a replacement in January or on loan all lead to us starting 4 full-backs across the back 4 in the 2 legs v Swindon. Only one of them, (McEveley) is over 6ft and this combination saw us ship 7 goals and put on a defensive display my 8 year old sons team would be ashamed of.
 
Not sure what Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] means and what you are alluding to but I hadn't noticed anyone on here making that kind of outrageous claim for the journeyman centre half mentioned (other than you in your post). Butler was brought in to do a job by Clough, presumably because a job needed doing and he was assessed as up to doing it (whether that was a correct assessment of what he offered is debatable and not worth talking about since he is long gone). Otherwise what was the bloke in charge doing signing him?

What happened next is pure conjecture on everyone's part but what is not is that the job still needed doing and the bloke in charge left us without anyone to do it for 2 loan windows and a transfer window. Of course the standard of our defending was so good afterwards we didn't even notice the defence was made up of a crock, Basham and full backs did we? (Alcock, Brayford both 5'8"). But its easier to talk about how crap Butler is/was than address the fact that the bloke in charge royally screwed up the squad balance, though isn't it?
spot on Cyprus. Clough has to take blame but it's gone now he has to solve that for next season
 
Bergen I respect your opinion but I never said sack the manager, never mind to just punish him.what's all that about? You said it in reply to my post.

As I say I respect your opinion generally but I picked up on your blind loyalty to Scougall and your unfair scapegoating of Baxter. I don't like your freeze frames to prove a wrong point but that is another matter.

Tell me. Would you try to keep Baxter or move him on?

Similarly Scougall, what would you do.

If we get rid of 7/8 squad players and sign "four quality players to add to the "base we have established"" Which positions would you look to improve, would you sign bigger and more physical players, would you sign a couple of black players (this has to be an issue like it or not), would you sign a keeper amongst the four, do you think we need more than four??

When we talk about "quality players" do you think Baxter is or could be one of those if played in the right role?

Over the years we have had players on our books who I personally would have built a team around. the successful ones are legends but the unsuccessful ones are not. I'll give you one example:- Billy Sharp = build a team to his strengths and he will produce many many goals.

Rightly or wrongly I'd say that about Baxter. At the moment he is playing in the wrong team at the wrong time but you put him at No.10, build all the rest of the team around him and compensate for his weaknesses. Give him energetic mobile runners all around him and just watch him perform. If the manger isn't going to do that then get rid.

As for Scougall, I reckon he has reached his peak. there's only so far you can get with a quick surge followed by a pass sideways left with no look ahead or to the right. One trick ponies are exactly that though I recall his Wembley goal with excitement even to this day, but I now dont know where it came from. I thought he was the real deal but I've not seen one single positive thing this season. Performances like his, Baxter, even Murphy, Flynn, Harris in a way excuse Clough because to my mind he had a right to expect much more.

I'd be interested to hear your views but even more importantly would love to know the best way to see the Northern Lights at modest expense!!! Maybe you would hold a conversation on that subject which might be boring to others.

It's a thread about whether Clough should be sacked or not though, not just a conversation between you and me. I didn't mean to suggest you meant he should be sacked, but the criticism you mentioned are things that has made people vote in favour of sacking him, so I tried to take the debate a bit further from that.

Regarding Baxter and Scougall, you clearly think I've got them both wrong (to put it mildly), so is there any point in me going on about them?

I'll be happy to help you out regarding the northern lights, but as a rule, being a tourist in Norway is very expensive!
 
It's a thread about whether Clough should be sacked or not though, not just a conversation between you and me. I didn't mean to suggest you meant he should be sacked, but the criticism you mentioned are things that has made people vote in favour of sacking him, so I tried to take the debate a bit further from that.

Regarding Baxter and Scougall, you clearly think I've got them both wrong (to put it mildly), so is there any point in me going on about them?

I'll be happy to help you out regarding the northern lights, but as a rule, being a tourist in Norway is very expensive!


The conversation was intended to be about the Northern Lights and of no interest to other posters.

Agree steer clear of the Baxter and Scougall debate but the relevance of their individual quality and whether they can each or both up their contributions is a judgement call by the manager and determines which positions we look to sign these "three or four quality players". I agree I've mixed up threads and thought we were on the "Clough's post match interview" thread!:(

Let's leave it on both counts.
 
We only needed a couple of signings this season. He's signed about 30 players and we still fucked it up. With the resources we've got, we should have pissed this league. He's failed miserably and for that, he's got to go. Nigel Adkins in.
Then will we get the Reading fans view of how crap he is rammed down our throats every week ?
 
At the sake of repeating my reasons, if Clough remains as manager the club have to back him, otherwise he'll have the same squad, the same deficiencies, and the same players who aren't equipped to improve on this season's results. Hence the question, do we want to begin the season with no on-field improvement? It's not complicated.

We backed him last close season and we got served up

Chris Basham ,
Andy Butler
Craig Alcock
Jamal Campbell Ryce ,
James Wallace
Michael Higdon
Marc McNulty .
resigned Chris Porter
Ben Davies.
Harrison McGahey

1 regular out of 11.

INSANITY DEFINED…
Doing the Same Old Things & Expecting Different Results

“If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.”

So what are you going to change about next year, and why wait clear ‘till then?

The change has already started
Shaun Barker is expected to be invited to train at the Redtooth Academy

Clueless Clough
 
We backed him last close season and we got served up

Chris Basham ,
Andy Butler
Craig Alcock
Jamal Campbell Ryce ,
James Wallace
Michael Higdon
Marc McNulty .
resigned Chris Porter
Ben Davies.
Harrison McGahey

1 regular out of 11.

INSANITY DEFINED…
Doing the Same Old Things & Expecting Different Results

“If you always do what you’ve always done, you’ll always get what you’ve always got.”

So what are you going to change about next year, and why wait clear ‘till then?

The change has already started
Shaun Barker is expected to be invited to train at the Redtooth Academy

Clueless Clough

It's all about opinions Davie, you're entitled to yours. Let's see what happens next season. A continual round of "I told you so" becomes tiresome and has no value.
 



It's all about opinions Davie, you're entitled to yours. Let's see what happens next season. A continual round of "I told you so" becomes tiresome and has no value.

What happened to "shut up and support the team and you can moan after the end of the season"? That was the constant refrain from some people in recent weeks?

Is that not allowed now?
 
What happened to "shut up and support the team and you can moan after the end of the season"? That was the constant refrain from some people in recent weeks?

Is that not allowed now?

Rev, not quite sure what you're on about? Can you find any evidence where I've said anyone shouldn't air their opinions at any time? Alongside of this there must also be room to respond, shouldn't there?

If a poster wishes to repeat ad nauseum the same tired line, that's their prerogative. It's mine to comment should they do so.
 
just changed opinion on back of doyle fiasco
never a big fan of MD but he was here for about 5 years and club captain..
appalling management.. shocking disrespect
f@ck off
 
Do you intend to do something with these facts you value so much? A book perhaps? Some type of investigation? A continual bore-fest that repeats the same points? Or maybe you feel you haven't over-egged this enough?
Constant defence of the indefensible is at least equally boring to many, I'd guess.

UTB
 
Not sure what Agenda Group [shorthand not permitted] means and what you are alluding to but I hadn't noticed anyone on here making that kind of outrageous claim for the journeyman centre half mentioned (other than you in your post). Butler was brought in to do a job by Clough, presumably because a job needed doing and he was assessed as up to doing it (whether that was a correct assessment of what he offered is debatable and not worth talking about since he is long gone). Otherwise what was the bloke in charge doing signing him?

What happened next is pure conjecture on everyone's part but what is not is that the job still needed doing and the bloke in charge left us without anyone to do it for 2 loan windows and a transfer window. Of course the standard of our defending was so good afterwards we didn't even notice the defence was made up of a crock, Basham and full backs did we? (Alcock, Brayford both 5'8"). But its easier to talk about how crap Butler is/was than address the fact that the bloke in charge royally screwed up the squad balance, though isn't it?

Good post Cyprus.

When it comes to Clough and his woeful management this season i am completely split down the middle . He is only still in a job for one reason and its the stability card , not performance.

I know its a bit like comparing Aldi to Harrods , but take Manchester United with Fergie / Moyes . If we had a long serving manager who Clough had replaced he would have been sacked . On the other hand if Mark Robbins had not saved Ferguson with that goal , he would have got the boot , and history would have been changed.

The Butler debacle is one of many mysteries of his management and transfer actions this season . I hope the board have laid the law down heavy , and in no uncertain terms , its shit or bust next season , and anything else but automatic promotion is a failure . I can see Clough getting the first 10 games , then a assessment / decision will be made either way . The thing is can he be trusted in any transfer window . After this season , no.

You are bang on - Squad balance has been dire , and the too little too late actions / statements , that we need more height , strength and surprise surprise , a couple of CBs,

UTB
 
I think he'll get more than ten games BOS I was firmly in the Clough out club
but he needs at least half a season I'm sure now he knows what's wanted for this league if he dos'nt act there's no hope.
 



It all depends on which League you want SUFC to start season 16/17 in, League 1 then keep him.
 

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