Burnely 0 Hull City 2

[William Henry Foulkes]

In the spirit of end of season successes I was reminded (by Tony Kenworthy's autobiography http://www.sufcdirect.co.uk/16_Books-Stationery/45_Books/2171_Tony-Kenworthy-Blade-Heart.html) of the result at Burnley when we were promoted by goals scored.

There were quite a few Blades there. Anyone else remember that game? Is there a thread on it even?

Even when Hull went 2-0 up I was pretty calm about it. TK has Marwood(?) missing a sitter at 2-0. Vaguely recall that.

Wonder what others recall.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Burnley

 

[Darren]

In the spirit of end of season successes I was reminded (by Tony Kenworthy's autobiography http://www.sufcdirect.co.uk/16_Books-Stationery/45_Books/2171_Tony-Kenworthy-Blade-Heart.html) of the result at Burnley when we were promoted by goals scored.

There were quite a few Blades there. Anyone else remember that game? Is there a thread on it even?

Even when Hull went 2-0 up I was pretty calm about it. TK has Marwood(?) missing a sitter at 2-0. Vaguely recall that.

Wonder what others recall.

I listened on Radio Sheffield and recall

(1) Hull going 1-0 in 2 mins
(2) A live commentary from Radio Humberside in the 2nd half and thus pro Hull
(3) Hull going 2-0 up half way through the second half amnd panic starting to set in
(4) Billy Hamilton missing a good chance for Burnley with a couple of minutes to go and me swearing at him for not putting me out of my misery
(5) At the end of the game, the commentator saying something like "and it's despair at Turf Moor as Hull fail to go up by the narrowest margin" and the commntary switching back to Radio Sheffield and Robert Jackson saying "no it's joy as Sheffield United are promoted".

 

[cahill]

Remember that game well. I motor biked over the Pennines on my old trusted Honda 100 cc. Everybody near me in the ground seemed to be Burnley fans from Halifax, one of them reassuring me with "Don't worry Hull won't get 3 goals here". Within 2 minutes Hull were 1 up and if I remember correctly 2 up not long after. I spent the majority of the second half away from the terrace next to the refreshment stand. I remember Ronnie Sharp also there berating his mate for being too anxious. Longest 90 minutes of my life I swore I'd never do that again. At the end loads of Blades invaded the pitch to celebrate.

Remember pictures of Brian Marwood being taken off the pitch crying. I'll bet last seasons semi-final was sweet revenge for at least some of those Hull fans

 

[Lord Bos of Eckington.]

In the spirit of end of season successes I was reminded (by Tony Kenworthy's autobiography http://www.sufcdirect.co.uk/16_Books-Stationery/45_Books/2171_Tony-Kenworthy-Blade-Heart.html) of the result at Burnley when we were promoted by goals scored.

There were quite a few Blades there. Anyone else remember that game? Is there a thread on it even?

Even when Hull went 2-0 up I was pretty calm about it. TK has Marwood(?) missing a sitter at 2-0. Vaguely recall that.

Wonder what others recall.

I went to that match . About 100 blades went .Hull IMO were trying to throw the game .It was a bit like Wednesday v Man City , when a couple of players had not read the script.

UTB

 

[Silent Blade]

I remember Ronnie Sharp also there berating his mate for being too anxious. Longest 90 minutes of my life I swore I'd never do that again. At the end loads of Blades invaded the pitch to celebrate.

Ronnie told me that straight after the 2nd goal he walked out of the ground and having a fag after the other

 

[Pedro Verde]

I went to that match . About 100 blades went .Hull IMO were trying to throw the game .It was a bit like Wednesday v Man City , when a couple of players had not read the script.

UTB

I went thought there was at least 200 of us (at least 3 coaches) I went with Shred can remember him sitting down on the terracing not daring to watch some of the game. Coppers gave us an escort out of Burnley couldnt stop until theyd gone pulled up about 10.25pm (shut at 10.30 those days) ordered 3 pints to celebrate

 

[sitwell]

I went too ,my memory is having a pint in Todmorden ,and flagging all the Hull coaches on their way home. There were a lot more than 100 ,easily double that ,also saw Colin Morris before the game. Didn't we sign the Burnley keeper at some stage too ?

 

[fishpie]

I went. Was on the opposite end to where the Blades were, so in with Burnley fans. Haven't a clue how many went but there were a decent few and really really weird seeing 3 sets of fans at the one game..UTB

 

[Trigger Blade]

Yes, Bob Lord stand for me and the six months pregnant Mrs Trig. We had trouble parking and it was 1-0 to Hull by the time we got in.

With 20 minutes left at and at 2-0, I couldn't believe Burnley would hang on, whereas the Hull fans just behind us couldn't see Hull scoring. Happily they were right

I still claim that as Trig Jnr (TY)'s first Blades game, though the first one he remembers was at home to Villa in early 1991.

 

[Revolution]

I went too ,my memory is having a pint in Todmorden ,and flagging all the Hull coaches on their way home. There were a lot more than 100 ,easily double that ,also saw Colin Morris before the game. Didn't we sign the Burnley keeper at some stage too ?

Yes, Roger Hansbury was on loan to us in 1987-8.

Hull sold Marwood, their best player, to the Pigs in the close season and still went up the year after. Imagine that - a team just going down or just missing promotion and going up the following season. We can only dream of doing that.

I have never heard of any other game where there were fans of 3 different clubs there in reasonable numbers. It can't happen now as everyone has to finish on the same day, but I wonder whether it has happened on other occasions. I assume that there would have been a few Blades at Pigs v Spurs in 1950, when they went up with a 0-0 draw but a Spurs win or high scoring draw would have sent us up in their place.

 

[Digger]

I was stood behind the goal with quite a few other Blades. Feared the worst with the early goal but (we) Burnley somehow hung on despite never getting out of first gear.
Had a few in Todmorden after to celebrate on the way back to Wath.
I would put the number of Blades in that stand at about 100-150.
Strangest game Ive ever been to for atmosphere.

 

[Silent Blade]

Yes, Roger Hansbury was on loan to us in 1987-8.

Hull sold Marwood, their best player, to the Pigs in the close season and still went up the year after. Imagine that - a team just going down or just missing promotion and going up the following season. .

Wendy were already promoted to the 1st division when they signed Marwood

 

[Silent Blade]

I have never heard of any other game where there were fans of 3 different clubs there in reasonable numbers. It can't happen now as everyone has to finish on the same day, but I wonder whether it has happened on other occasions. I assume that there would have been a few Blades at Pigs v Spurs in 1950, when they went up with a 0-0 draw but a Spurs win or high scoring draw would have sent us up in their place.

There were Wendy fans attending the 1939 match at BDTBL when we had to beat Spurs to pip them in getting the 2nd promotion spot

 

[Revolution]

Wendy were already promoted to the 1st division when they signed Marwood

Marwood moved to Wednesday in the summer of 1984. Wednesday, like us, had just been promoted. Hull went up without Marwood the following season.

 

[Silent Blade]

Marwood moved to Wednesday in the summer of 1984. Wednesday, like us, had just been promoted. Hull went up without Marwood the following season.

Just re-read your previous comment and I had mis-read it. Sorry

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

There were Wendy fans attending the 1939 match at BDTBL when we had to beat Spurs to pip them in getting the 2nd promotion spot

1939? I wonder did something happen to stop us playing in the top flight after that?

Does this mean that when we win eventually do win the play-offs World War III will break out?

 

[Silent Blade]

1939? I wonder did something happen to stop us playing in the top flight after that?

Does this mean that when we win eventually do win the play-offs World War III will break out?

We were 2nd behind Blackpool in the 1st division after 3 games but after we declared war on Hitler the FL decided to suspend the football league games. We didnt play FL games until the 1946-47 season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939–40_Football_League

 

[Darren]

We were 2nd behind Blackpool in the 1st division after 3 games but after we declared war on Hitler the FL decided to suspend the football league games. We didnt play FL games until the 1946-47 season

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939–40_Football_League

We won the League North in 45-6 though ;-) The 1st and 2nd Divisions were divided in northern and southern sections to form a League North and League South that season and Birmingham won the latter. I have often thought there should have been a play off between United and Birmingham that season to establish the league champions and we then could have claimed a honour only 70ish years ago!

 

[OllyBlade]

There were Wendy fans attending the 1939 match at BDTBL when we had to beat Spurs to pip them in getting the 2nd promotion spot

This is fantastic.

 

[Silent Blade]

We won the League North in 45-6 though ;-) The 1st and 2nd Divisions were divided in northern and southern sections to form a League North and League South that season and Birmingham won the latter. I have often thought there should have been a play off between United and Birmingham that season to establish the league champions and we then could have claimed a honour only 70ish years ago!

I have a feeling that our directors werent worried about the imminent war as in Summer 1939 we made signings to strengthen our squad, one of them being Teddy Sandford who we signed from WBA for £1,500

 

[Darren]

I have a feeling that our directors werent worried about the imminent war as in Summer 1939 we made signings to strengthen our squad, one of them being Teddy Sandford who we signed from WBA for £1,500

I think the general feeling in the summer was that the Polish crisis would blow over as the Czech crisis had done the previous year. It was only with the Nazi-Soviet pact on 23rd August that it was clear that war was more or less inevitable (though Mussolini (who didn't want Italy involved) was still trying to mediate right up to the last minute).

Incidentally, what is often overlooked is that from a self determination point of view Hitler had a good case vis-a-vis Poland. He essentially wanted the Free City of Danzig (now Gdansk), which was vital for Polish trade but which was overwhelmingly German and had elected the local Nazis to power.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

We won the League North in 45-6 though ;-) The 1st and 2nd Divisions were divided in northern and southern sections to form a League North and League South that season and Birmingham won the latter. I have often thought there should have been a play off between United and Birmingham that season to establish the league champions and we then could have claimed a honour only 70ish years ago!

Genuine question: Doesn't the League North count as an honour?

I wasn't aware of this one at all.

 

[Revolution]

Genuine question: Doesn't the League North count as an honour?

I wasn't aware of this one at all.

It's an honour in the sense there was something to be won, and we won it, but the games during both wars (save for 1914-5) are not recognised as proper football league games.

The football was more similar that season to normal conditions than any other WW2 years, but it was still not the real thing. A lot of players were still in uniform and of course we didn't play any Southern teams, and half of the teams we did play were in Division 2 the following year.

 

[Darren]

Genuine question: Doesn't the League North count as an honour?

I wasn't aware of this one at all.

I think it should do.

The war had ended, but because Britain was bankrupt, there was much government imposed austerity and limits on non-essential travel. Hence the division to north and south leagues. However, it was a proper league system, no guest players and pretty competitive. Essentially, we were one of the top two teams in 45-6, a position we have never reached since.

It's the 70th anniversary next season. The club should do something with the surviving players (if any) and their relatives.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I think the general feeling in the summer was that the Polish crisis would blow over as the Czech crisis had done the previous year. It was only with the Nazi-Soviet pact on 23rd August that it was clear that war was more or less inevitable (though Mussolini (who didn't want Italy involved) was still trying to mediate right up to the last minute).

Incidentally, what is often overlooked is that from a self determination point of view Hitler had a good case vis-a-vis Poland. He essentially wanted the Free City of Danzig (now Gdansk), which was vital for Polish trade but which was overwhelmingly German and had elected the local Nazis to power.

This has cropped up in Foulkes Jr Sr's GCSE History so I've been watching a few documentaries on it. Wasn't the problem that Hitler's expansionism became overtly imperialist when he invaded all of Austria(?). Up to then he had been annexing border territories with a majority German population but after then it was just land-grabbing (justified by the notion of Lebensraum?).

Or something.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

I think it should do.

The war had ended, but because Britain was bankrupt, there was much government imposed austerity and limits on non-essential travel. Hence the division to north and south leagues. However, it was a proper league system, no guest players and pretty competitive. Essentially, we were one of the top two teams in 45-6, a position we have never reached since.

It's the 70th anniversary next season. The club should do something with the surviving players (if any) and their relatives.

Fair point. I don't want to overemphasise the history - we need to look forwards too! - but establishing the traditions of the club raises its status imo.

 

[Darren]

This has cropped up in Foulkes Jr Sr's GCSE History so I've been watching a few documentaries on it. Wasn't the problem that Hitler's expansionism became overtly imperialist when he invaded all of Austria(?). Up to then he had been annexing border territories with a majority German population but after then it was just land-grabbing (justified by the notion of Lebensraum?).

Or something.

Not really. He annexed Austria and the German speaking parts of Czecholsovakia in 1938. All of those people probably wanted to be included in Germany (the Austrians had wanted to united with Germany after WWI and the Allies had forbidden them to do so). Things changed when Hitler split up the rump of the Czech state in March 1939 and annexed the western half. That was the first bit of non German speaking territory he took over. That led to the West's guarantees to Poland and, the Poles knowing they had these guarantees were instransigent when Hitler demanded Danzig.

 

[Eskimo]

I think the general feeling in the summer was that the Polish crisis would blow over as the Czech crisis had done the previous year. It was only with the Nazi-Soviet pact on 23rd August that it was clear that war was more or less inevitable (though Mussolini (who didn't want Italy involved) was still trying to mediate right up to the last minute).

Incidentally, what is often overlooked is that from a self determination point of view Hitler had a good case vis-a-vis Poland. He essentially wanted the Free City of Danzig (now Gdansk), which was vital for Polish trade but which was overwhelmingly German and had elected the local Nazis to power.

I though it was Lebensraum he was after and world domination. Oh and no Jewish people and other people he didn't like.

 

[William Henry Foulkes]

Not really. He annexed Austria and the German speaking parts of Czecholsovakia in 1938. All of those people probably wanted to be included in Germany (the Austrians had wanted to united with Germany after WWI and the Allies had forbidden them to do so). Things changed when Hitler split up the rump of the Czech state in March 1939 and annexed the western half. That was the first bit of non German speaking territory he took over. That led to the West's guarantees to Poland and, the Poles knowing they had these guarantees were instransigent when Hitler demanded Danzig.

Yes. It was the non-German parts of Czechoslovakia I was thinking of, not Austria.