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Don't like knocking Referees, doing this sometimes sounds like sour grapes or looking for excuses, but after watching the TV replay something's must be said, in NC's after match interview he made specific comment about the 3 penalty calls, the disallowed Done goal and the none play-on rule when Done was one on one with the defender.

The first one was the hand ball and think it is unanimously agreed by everyone (on TV and Swindon fans) that it should have been penalty, the Ref had a great view so no excusses likewise for the Done one on one, I'm not sure on the Murphy penalty appeal, could have been given but not much contact, but the same amount of contact was made by Done which ruled out is goal? But the one I want to discuss is the foul on Flynn (on 70 minutes) by Nathan Byrne which was also a definite penalty and more to the point a sending off offence, It was dangerous and could have resulted in a serious injury to Flynn (a two footed lunge with both feet off the ground tackle). Do you think United should (or could) ask the FA to review the incident? and if needbe punish the player?
 



He had a perfect view of the handball incident and didn't give it. Can somebody clear the rule up for me? The ball was heading towards the net/penalty spot from our cross/pass and it hits Swindon player on outstretched arm. How is this not a penalty as it possibly stopped us scoring?
 
Ballinpigpubs13 said:
He had a perfect view of the handball incident and didn't give it. Can somebody clear the rule up for me? The ball was heading towards the net/penalty spot from our cross/pass and it hits Swindon player on outstretched arm. How is this not a penalty as it possibly stopped us scoring?
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The ref indicated that the player had his hands by his sides - and hence couldn't of avoided it. He was clearly wrong, but that was his reasoning.
 
No and I think is was Stephens with the two footed tackle and not Byrne
 
Worst of all, the replay shows him to be totally in line with the handball and the arm stuck out at what is at least a 70 degree angle. He then waves it away with a gesture of "arms by his side" which they clearly and visibly were not.

Someone called that decision and the advantage borderline fraudulent on here. I have to agree.

Also, earlier in the first half, Freeman was basically knocked by three tackles but somehow stumbled through, but out of balance and into a dead-end where he lost the ball. The ref never whistled but gave us an advantage where there was none at any stage.

So in total, not only was he incompetent, he got big decisions wrong, showed zero consistency outside of consistently erring on the side of Swindon.

The Flynn pen was a pen, but I think the fact Flynn still got the shot away before the two feet hobbled him, swung the referee's mind as he felt the foul was kind of "after the event" so to speak. Doesn't make it correct, but less blatant than the hand ball, the advantage - possibly the single most diabolical decision outside the Scougall sumo throw at Bradford I have ever seen - and the shocking inconsistency between rating virtually the same level and kind of contact not a pen on Murphy but a foul on the defender in the case of Done. If what Done did is a foul that warrants going down, you got seven fouls within ten yards of each other at EVERY corner going.

I agree. I also dislike blaming referees but yesterday he had an unusual amount of game changing decision all going the same way. There is an argument that he directly costs us three goals by bottling a number of fairly straightforward calls he was ideally placed to see.
 
Obviously I haven't had time to go through every single post, but I agree that the ref. was atrocious last night. Usually a bad ref's awful decisions even themselves out but last night we definitely got the shit end of the stick.
A common tactic seen at the Lane this year is an opposition player 'taking one for the team'. By that I mean that, if United have the ball in our own half and the forward movement is good, an opponent will commit a foul on the United player on the ball. Whether the transgressor is booked or not, it has achieved its aim - the resulting free kick is in a 'tame' position and they can pull all eleven players back and the advantage is lost. Swindon consistently used this tactic last night. Were they booked? Don't make me laugh.

But one incident that I haven't seen mentioned occurred about five minutes from the end. Despite the draining effect of seeing us pulled up, booked, goal disallowed, penalty denied etc. United - to their great credit - found one last great reserve of effort. The crowd picked up on this (it was probably spurred by the simmering sense of injustice that we'd witnessed all night). With United looking to mount an effort towards the Kop, a Swindon player inexplicably 'collapsed' about 30 yards out. Needless to say, the ref. immediately stopped play and our momentum was stopped in its tracks. There was nobody anywhere near this guy! The trainer shuffled on, the 'injured' guy took about a minute to 'limp' off and - to make things even worse - the nominal time the ref. added on with an ostentatious tapping of his watch resulted in Swindon scoring the winner. We've all seen incidences where a player 'simulates' in the penalty area and the ref. gives him short shrift by telling him to get up (or maybe booking him). This typified the refs. abysmal (and I'd say biased) performance last night. Was it seen as a 'head injury', therefore necessitating play being stopped? Hardly, as on a couple of occasions, United players were clearly forearm-smashed and the ref. didn't even blow.
 
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Lawrence said:
Don't like knocking Referees, doing this sometimes sounds like sour grapes or looking for excuses, but after watching the TV replay something's must be said, in NC's after match interview he made specific comment about the 3 penalty calls, the disallowed Done goal and the none play-on rule when Done was one on one with the defender.

The first one was the hand ball and think it is unanimously agreed by everyone (on TV and Swindon fans) that it should have been penalty, the Ref had a great view so no excusses likewise for the Done one on one, I'm not sure on the Murphy penalty appeal, could have been given but not much contact, but the same amount of contact was made by Done which ruled out is goal? But the one I want to discuss is the foul on Flynn (on 70 minutes) by Nathan Byrne which was also a definite penalty and more to the point a sending off offence, It was dangerous and could have resulted in a serious injury to Flynn (a two footed lunge with both feet off the ground tackle). Do you think United should (or could) ask the FA to review the incident? and if needbe punish the player?
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It's an interesting one this. It happens quite often that a player gets wiped out after taking a shot, but nobody ever gets punished because everyone's eyes follow the ball. I wouldn't blame the ref for this reason, but there is possibly something to be said for retrospective punishment due to the two footed nature of the challenge.
 
Wether he's already got the shot away or not, a 2 footed tackle is a red card. Violent misconduct. 2 stonewall pens, a perfectly good goal disallowed and not giving Done the advantage is the worst decision i've ever seen. Sunday league referees would have even played that after 10 pints night before. Absolutely shocking!
 
The ref clearly needs investigation into corruption. Too many obvious decisions were incorrect to be a coincidence.

It may piss us off enough to win on Monday. Here's hoping!
 
Thanks?! for those. The upside is we created these chances and there's reason to believe we can create them again on Monday.

Only a team that is truly cursed :confused: could be so hard done by again. Oh. Hang on!
 



I am sure united will mark him badly in the assessment but fat good that does us, it might just help stop some other team having to suffer him in the future To me he seemed to be deliberately going out of his way not to be influenced by the crowd and some perverse decisions resulted from that.
Interested to see what neutrals made of his performance, what did the tv commentators make of it?
 
It's an interesting one. I don't want to blame the ref as I think from 35 - 85 minutes, Swindon were much the better side and deserved to win. However, the ref could have - and should have - given us several lifelines.
 
Don't believe the ref was biased, but he was fuckin useless. And that brings me to Monday night, I assume it's the same ref, is it not. If so he will be aware of his totally inept display by now and will ( hopefully ), like the ref that gives a penalty, and then finds out at half time he's dropped a bollock and tries to even it up. Let's hope he makes up for his cuntism by giving everything to us on the night. If he's not the ref Monday night, I'll never get these last 5 minutes back. UTB FTO.
 
My father is rather neutral as he is not that bothered about the football but even he thought the ref was a joke as he watched the game on TV.

Edit: Just watched the tackle on Flynn, bloody hell!
 
Bladesman said:
My father is rather neutral as he is not that bothered about the football but even he thought the ref was a joke as he watched the game on TV.

Edit: Just watched the tackle on Flynn, bloody hell!
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Jim Phipps told me tonight that he thinks it needs reporting, whether it will be will have to wait and see.
 
Ballinpigpubs13 said:
Also just seen the 2 footed challenge on Flynn. What a joke. The ref had a mare.
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That tackle on Flynn could have ended his career. It was a blatant attempt to break his leg. United should appeal to the FA and get the cunt banned
 
First time I've had a second look, shocking.

There was a decent shout in the first few mins in their box on Murphy, any Prem player would have gone down with the shove but he stayed on his feet, then a blatant push and he did go down, nothing given. I knew at that point we were playing 12.

The referees should be made to explain decisions such as this to a neutral reporter, there's a lot at stake.
 
Wombwell_Blade said:
It's an interesting one. I don't want to blame the ref as I think from 35 - 85 minutes, Swindon were much the better side and deserved to win. However, the ref could have - and should have - given us several lifelines.
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Another get out, due to our indifferent season. If we'd have just ended up in the play offs, missing out on automatic by goal difference, you'd have a totally different attitude to it.
Take the game on the individual merits. We took the game to them and we're robbed of easy obvious dicisions. These were game changing. You can take comfort for yourself if you think Swindon played better but that is a bit crap considering we created and were not given the dicisions to justifyably take those chances.
Some may criticise Management tactics and some of the players through the season but on that night, given our limitations, all worked their bollocks off to get a result and one persons incompetence out of our control robbed everyone who has any association with Sheffield United of that.
 
I seem to remember a game at the lane , when a certain player got in his shot after being " fouled " in the area ,
shot was saved , but ref blew for a peno , and good old stevie G , buried it to save a point against us , rules are rules I suppose , if ever there was a time to pin something up in the dressing room , to get the team motivated surely this is the time .
Let's do these on Monday .
 





For once we started positive and on the front foot so yes you have to have some sympathy for the players up against a team who came here to spoil any of our play by cynical fouls and time wasting. This isn't the whole story though even against this and a referee who was borderline corrupt you have to control the things you can control the ref was not to blame for yet another goal conceded from a free header at a set piece or yet another hopefull shot going through our keeper. Stop these errors and we still win the game, I'm not going to go on about why we have been giving goals away all season that has been well documented elsewhere but they are the reasons we lost the first leg, that and a quite incredible half time substitution that only the man making the choice can understand.
 
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