Baxter Red Card on the Football League Show

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Just seen it this minute myself. I hope all those 'never touched him' fellas on the South Stand are feeling suitably silly.

The prevailing view around me on the Kop was that the referee had got it right, about the last thing he did get right.

That said, two excellent goals again.
 
...although I did feel their player made the most of it. Still a dreadful challenge. Technically gifted Baxter maybe but it dosen't seem to be working for him at the moment. Maybe this layoff will show if we really need him or not.
 
He wasn't trying to hurt him, it wasn't nasty.... But what the f%#k was he thinking!? Nothing about the tackle made any sense(the time of the tackle, the area of the pitch, the player it was on) stupid.
 
Just seen it this minute myself. I hope all those 'never touched him' fellas on the South Stand are feeling suitably silly.

Why so? From my view of John Street he looked to have played the ball and never the man... That's no rose-tinted glasses, just the view in real time. Got to say it how I saw it. I stand to be corrected from another angle on the TV.

From speaking to a few who sit just behind the dug outs on the South Stand, that was their real time view too.

I can only suggest it must look a lot, lot worse on the replay than it did in real time.

Not seen them yet, I take it they don't show the (again in real time) worse challenges on Murph and Doyle?
 
Why so? From my view of John Street he looked to have played the ball and never the man... That's no rose-tinted glasses, just the view in real time. Got to say it how I saw it. I stand to be corrected from another angle on the TV.

From speaking to a few who sit just behind the dug outs on the South Stand, that was their real time view too.

I can only suggest it must look a lot, lot worse on the replay than it did in real time.

Not seen them yet, I take it they don't show the (again in real time) worse challenges on Murph and Doyle?

It's a terrible tackle, the ball barely moved and he dived in two footed, studs up on the chap's ankle and caught him badly. It was obvious to me in real time and more so on TV. If you can watch it and not agree it's a red them I can only imagine you're watching different footage.
 
It's a terrible tackle, the ball barely moved and he dived in two footed, studs up on the chap's ankle and caught him badly. It was obvious to me in real time and more so on TV. If you can watch it and not agree it's a red them I can only imagine you're watching different footage.

Like I said, I'm going by my view real time and stand to be corrected by the replay... But I certainly wasn't the only one that didn't immediately see it as a straight red... Not sure why I should feel silly from my honest view of it at my angle?
 
Why so? From my view of John Street he looked to have played the ball and never the man... That's no rose-tinted glasses, just the view in real time.

From speaking to a few who sit just behind the dug outs on the South Stand, that was their real time view too.

I can only suggest it must look a lot, lot worse on the replay than it did in real time.

Not seen them yet, I take it they don't show the (again in real time) worse challenges on Murph and Doyle?

The amount of contact becomes less important when you fly in two footed. You only get away with it if the ref deems you're far enough from the opponent so you're not putting him at risk. Somewhere in the carpark perhaps given Baxter's flying lunge.

The tackle on Doyle was strong, led with one foot and clearly ball first. The Murphy one looked more like a body check from my angle (wrong end of the pitch), and probably deserved yellow.

The two incidents were incomparable to Baxter's in my eyes.
 
Because it was a terrible tackle and to pretend otherwise seems to me to be born of incredible bias. It was clear to me and everyone around me on the Kop but no apparently their player was the greater villain for having the temerity to roll a bit and their manager should be tarred and feathered for applauding a fully deserved red card.
 
Because it was a terrible tackle and to pretend otherwise seems to me to be born of incredible bias. It was clear to me and everyone around me on the Kop but no apparently their player was the greater villain for having the temerity to roll a bit and their manager should be tarred and feathered for applauding a fully deserved red card.

Clapping the ref is twattish but if we went away to a big away ground and the ref didn't bottle a major unpopular decision... Well, then I'd applaud like the twat I am. :)
 
Because it was a terrible tackle and to pretend otherwise seems to me to be born of incredible bias. It was clear to me and everyone around me on the Kop but no apparently their player was the greater villain for having the temerity to roll a bit and their manager should be tarred and feathered for applauding a fully deserved red card.

Or alternatively, it may have just looked different from my angle, rather than any bias or pretence whatsoever. If both legs left the ground and he was out of control, then fair enough, deserved red... I'm just saying how it looked from my view, real time.
 
Its all about opinions and thats to be honest why I love football.

Where I am sat on the kop my view was exactly behind Baxter albeit from a distance and it looked at best mistimed and worse nasty. I immediately said to the lad next to me "he's off" Yes their player was rolling around like he had been shot and Pressley should have been sent to the stand for encroaching onto the field of play but in my opinion it was a sending off

Having said all that as mentioned on another thread I saw as bad that went unpunished when were being kicked around the field in the Autumn against MK, Oldham and Notts County
 

Hey guys first time poster. Was in the lower away end and from my view at the time it didn't look a sending off but having seen the replay, I stand fully corrected. What got me at the time was how their player reacted more than anything.
 
It was a stupid challenge to make yes, but the Coventry city player made a meal of it, and what pissed most off more was the fact he rolled around until the card came out, then jumped straight back up and carried on...

Sometimes the way opposition players act when on the floor has an impact on what action the ref takes. Remember Chesterfield away anyone?
 
Why so? From my view of John Street he looked to have played the ball and never the man... That's no rose-tinted glasses, just the view in real time. Got to say it how I saw it. I stand to be corrected from another angle on the TV.

From speaking to a few who sit just behind the dug outs on the South Stand, that was their real time view too.

I can only suggest it must look a lot, lot worse on the replay than it did in real time.

Not seen them yet, I take it they don't show the (again in real time) worse challenges on Murph and Doyle?

Correct Foxy !! The "tackles"; assaults really, on both Doyle & Murphy were just as bad as Baxters idiotic tackle and the referee didn't even give a foul for the one on Doyle.

The red card for Baxter was unfortunately correct, however, that was about the only decision that really poor excuse for a referee got right in 96 minutes. I would suggest that the referee yesterday was almost as incompetent as the moron we had to endure against Swindon !! The standard of refereeing in this Division is absolutely disgraceful although the corrupt and inept organisation that is the FA would NEVER admit it.

Rant over ...... :mad:
UTB & FTP
 
... why so?

Here's why.

You're an obviously talented midfield player who has moved to a demanding, wanting-out-of-this-division-thank-you-very-much team with a collection of fans who are nobody's fools and frankly sick tot he back teeth of underperforming players of merit, the chicanery of the board and the never ending conveyer belt of managers stretching back forty years which belies the supporters faith and devotion.

You continue to 50-70% every game you play in and at times score some fabulous goals but more often drift in and out of game after disappointing game when in reality, lacking speed or not like your past contemporaries (like Stuart McCall, Carl Bradshaw, Trevor Hockey, Michael Brown, and a few others) your appearances haven't exactly set the stadium on fire and generally you watch the game bypass you.

Then comes the moment when you use your experience in one of those scenarios all us footballers (from Chelsea at Stamford Bridge to Cutlers Arms in Herdings Park) make a snap decision when a fifty-fifty ball is there for the taking. Admittedly the result back in Herdings Park from a fiercely contested tackle that would make any touchline dad wince may be a bit different and any victim may be verbally encouraged to get up and get back in the game, but in the professional game you very much know that if you go in, studs up, clumsy or not, going for the ball ref or not, the recipient whether grazed by the soft outstep leather of your upperworks of your boot with 0.000562 x 10 ^-2 pico Newtons of force will roll about like you have leapt from a step ladder with Billy Foulke on your shoulders onto his naked shin, wearing ice skating boots.

So here's the summation to the answer to 'why so?' Because at that level, you know that as soon as your contact has been made and the percipient has started act one scene one of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing and his supporters and players have begun their massive overreaction to elicit a response from the referee he knows he will have to execute or else in the post match interview the manager concerned will say lass charitable things resulting in a press shit storm and obvious FA censure resulting in him reffing Cutlers Arms versus Brunsmeer Celtic in Herdings Park next week ... you just know that going through the official's mind right there right then is 'I only caught half of that, but by the way everyone's chimping on, I'll have to red card the fat cunt.'

If Baxter had have mistimed his frankly outstanding tackle right in front of goal in the Spurs match and legged their player over getting himself sent off and them a penner, I'd have been disappointed, but satisfied. But for him to go in like a cunt in nowhere land for a ball that had he hesitated, stayed on his feet and marshalled the opponent would have resulted in us maybe retaining some sort of advantage is unforgivable.

SUFC 2 - 2 Coventry + Baxter

I hope he doesn't play for us again and we blood a youngster in his place. Adams maybe?

pommpey
 
A badly mistimed tackle, that's all. The way the guy is being pilloried by some you would think he's a mass murderer.
Can you point out these posts?

I've read this a number of times and I'm missing it.

He put himself in the firing line with a silly tackle. It would clearly be silly whoever made it.

There then begins a debate about what his loss means to us. Clearly a good number (including me) don't rate him that highly, despite some obvious strengths, and he has a good number of fans.

It's just debate. More or less factual observation of the way people see things. Seriously, where is this pillory?

UTB
 
Here's why.

You're an obviously talented midfield player who has moved to a demanding, wanting-out-of-this-division-thank-you-very-much team with a collection of fans who are nobody's fools and frankly sick tot he back teeth of underperforming players of merit, the chicanery of the board and the never ending conveyer belt of managers stretching back forty years which belies the supporters faith and devotion.

You continue to 50-70% every game you play in and at times score some fabulous goals but more often drift in and out of game after disappointing game when in reality, lacking speed or not like your past contemporaries (like Stuart McCall, Carl Bradshaw, Trevor Hockey, Michael Brown, and a few others) your appearances haven't exactly set the stadium on fire and generally you watch the game bypass you.

Then comes the moment when you use your experience in one of those scenarios all us footballers (from Chelsea at Stamford Bridge to Cutlers Arms in Herdings Park) make a snap decision when a fifty-fifty ball is there for the taking. Admittedly the result back in Herdings Park from a fiercely contested tackle that would make any touchline dad wince may be a bit different and any victim may be verbally encouraged to get up and get back in the game, but in the professional game you very much know that if you go in, studs up, clumsy or not, going for the ball ref or not, the recipient whether grazed by the soft outstep leather of your upperworks of your boot with 0.000562 x 10 ^-2 pico Newtons of force will roll about like you have leapt from a step ladder with Billy Foulke on your shoulders onto his naked shin, wearing ice skating boots.

So here's the summation to the answer to 'why so?' Because at that level, you know that as soon as your contact has been made and the percipient has started act one scene one of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing and his supporters and players have begun their massive overreaction to elicit a response from the referee he knows he will have to execute or else in the post match interview the manager concerned will say lass charitable things resulting in a press shit storm and obvious FA censure resulting in him reffing Cutlers Arms versus Brunsmeer Celtic in Herdings Park next week ... you just know that going through the official's mind right there right then is 'I only caught half of that, but by the way everyone's chimping on, I'll have to red card the fat cunt.'

If Baxter had have mistimed his frankly outstanding tackle right in front of goal in the Spurs match and legged their player over getting himself sent off and them a penner, I'd have been disappointed, but satisfied. But for him to go in like a cunt in nowhere land for a ball that had he hesitated, stayed on his feet and marshalled the opponent would have resulted in us maybe retaining some sort of advantage is unforgivable.

SUFC 2 - 2 Coventry + Baxter

I hope he doesn't play for us again and we blood a youngster in his place. Adams maybe?

pommpey

Well I think it was a fu**ing stupid thing to do as well ;)
UTB & FTP
 
Here's why.

You're an obviously talented midfield player who has moved to a demanding, wanting-out-of-this-division-thank-you-very-much team with a collection of fans who are nobody's fools and frankly sick tot he back teeth of underperforming players of merit, the chicanery of the board and the never ending conveyer belt of managers stretching back forty years which belies the supporters faith and devotion.

You continue to 50-70% every game you play in and at times score some fabulous goals but more often drift in and out of game after disappointing game when in reality, lacking speed or not like your past contemporaries (like Stuart McCall, Carl Bradshaw, Trevor Hockey, Michael Brown, and a few others) your appearances haven't exactly set the stadium on fire and generally you watch the game bypass you.

Then comes the moment when you use your experience in one of those scenarios all us footballers (from Chelsea at Stamford Bridge to Cutlers Arms in Herdings Park) make a snap decision when a fifty-fifty ball is there for the taking. Admittedly the result back in Herdings Park from a fiercely contested tackle that would make any touchline dad wince may be a bit different and any victim may be verbally encouraged to get up and get back in the game, but in the professional game you very much know that if you go in, studs up, clumsy or not, going for the ball ref or not, the recipient whether grazed by the soft outstep leather of your upperworks of your boot with 0.000562 x 10 ^-2 pico Newtons of force will roll about like you have leapt from a step ladder with Billy Foulke on your shoulders onto his naked shin, wearing ice skating boots.

So here's the summation to the answer to 'why so?' Because at that level, you know that as soon as your contact has been made and the percipient has started act one scene one of Shakespeare's Much Ado About Nothing and his supporters and players have begun their massive overreaction to elicit a response from the referee he knows he will have to execute or else in the post match interview the manager concerned will say lass charitable things resulting in a press shit storm and obvious FA censure resulting in him reffing Cutlers Arms versus Brunsmeer Celtic in Herdings Park next week ... you just know that going through the official's mind right there right then is 'I only caught half of that, but by the way everyone's chimping on, I'll have to red card the fat cunt.'

If Baxter had have mistimed his frankly outstanding tackle right in front of goal in the Spurs match and legged their player over getting himself sent off and them a penner, I'd have been disappointed, but satisfied. But for him to go in like a cunt in nowhere land for a ball that had he hesitated, stayed on his feet and marshalled the opponent would have resulted in us maybe retaining some sort of advantage is unforgivable.

SUFC 2 - 2 Coventry + Baxter

I hope he doesn't play for us again and we blood a youngster in his place. Adams maybe?

pommpey
Thank God, for a minute there I thought that he wasn't a cunt
 
From John Street it looked like he got the ball first, if he caught the player at all, but I assumed the ref had sent him off because studs were showing. But when the ref is clearly incompetent you don't tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. From the replay there's no question it's a red.

There's major pros and cons to Baxter, I can take him or leave him at the moment. I expected to win this game though so playing him in front of Doyle and Coutts was about the most positive option we had if we're sticking with 3 in the middle, especially with Scougall out injured.

Maybe he read this forum and figured he needs to put himself about and get stuck in. Clearly that's a bad idea.
 
Be interesting what happens next, didn't NC get rid of Brandy for same thing,albeit a bit more history where FB was concerned. Or is Baxter too indispensable. Just asking.UTB.
 
Must admit from my view on John Street ,everyone including me all said hes getting a red straight away. It was so out of context with the game at that time ,but the ref did take a while to issue the card ,I thought he was going to get off with a yellow. Baxter didn't protest much either.
 
Must admit from my view on John Street ,everyone including me all said hes getting a red straight away. It was so out of context with the game at that time ,but the ref did take a while to issue the card ,I thought he was going to get off with a yellow. Baxter didn't protest much either.

Row L, seats on the 160's in the Kop, Mrs HB said "He's off" straight away.And he was. And tv tells me she and the ref were right.
 
Row L, seats on the 160's in the Kop, Mrs HB said "He's off" straight away.And he was. And tv tells me she and the ref were right.

Similar view to what I had albeit you were a bit lower (was in row DD, would have thought that'd be high enough to avoid rain, incorrect assumption), my first thought was red.
 

Similar view to what I had albeit you were a bit lower (was in row DD, would have thought that'd be high enough to avoid rain, incorrect assumption), my first thought was red.

Row L certainly not high enough to avoid rain for a man who forgot his coat. But I let HB Jnr pick seats this time and he likes to be near the pitch.
 

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