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to take one for the team? Commits a professional foul, prevents goal and penalty saved. We go up other end and score!

Right or wrong?

For me he ultimately played his part in a big win so right for me.
 



Totally wrong. The odds of a player (especially Tyson) scoring from that position are probably 60/40. The odds of the penalty being saved are what, 20/80? The odds of a team going on to win with ten men… I've no idea, but pretty crappy.

Don't do it kids.
 
There were 3 Blades players around Tyson, should it really have been a red? McCarthy certainly wasn't the last man.
 
pretty distant from where i was, general consensus was pen/yellow - hard to say without a better view, but if he was 60/40 to score with a non-zero chance of a red then he probably shouldn't be doing it - that howard saves it and we score a couple of minutes later is irrelevant
 
The only way a player should commit a deliberate foul or handball in the penalty area is to prevent a certain goal, and even then it should depend on the score and circumstances.

If, say, it's 0-0 in an FA Cup semi final, with five minutes to go, a deliberate handball on the line to prevent a goal, or upending an opposition player before he taps the ball into an empty net is probably about worth it.

Not sure on the stats regarding missed penalties, but it's probably only about one in eight or one in ten. So you have a choice of being a goal down, or probably being a goal down and being doen to ten men. It's almost never worth it.

Of course, there's also a slim chance that the pen might not be given.
 
Be interesting to see the comparative stats on pens scored after a red card. Maybe overconfidence creeps in...
 
You're gonna get reds if your a defender because a lot of work you do is inside the box, so the likelihood of giving away pens and getting sent off is much higher than other players, howard saving the pen is why you wanna be a goalie in the first place, that's like a striker scoring a goal to a keeper..

The praise should go to the rest of the team for pulling up the bootstraps and winning with a man down, shows great strength is being built within the whole squad, as we know we don't have nailed on starting 11, howard got us out of the crap, our players got a lift from that, and this spurred them on, the support was epic btw..

Big push in january from the money men please, that gap isnt as big as it was last year....
 
I was in the East stand at the Donny end. The striker had overrun it when he went down so I don't think he would have scored. However for the ref from behind, he goes down 8 yards out and central. I think 90% of refs would have given the pen and a red.
 
As an experienced centre half McCarthy was always going to make that challenge. In my opinion it was the right decision as he stopped a goal and then the resulting penalty was saved.
 
I think it's wrong on every level.What worried me though is how an experienced centre half from the Premiership got himself into such a bad position in the first place.Iv'e been saying for a long time that for me,he doesn't give us anything different to what we allready have.Basham and McEveley should be the pairing and we should put whatever we're paying McCarthy towards another striker.
 
the position was because of a lucky deflection that bounced through. Paddy has been very solid and we should try to get him at least for the season in january.
Is he banned for crewe match? If so thats fallen good because he wasnt hoing to play anyway!
 



scholarblade said:
the position was because of a lucky deflection that bounced through. Paddy has been very solid and we should try to get him at least for the season in january.
Is he banned for crewe match? If so thats fallen good because he wasnt hoing to play anyway!
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Whether it was a lucky deflection or not he shouldn't have been out of position,he also had one of our midfielders nearly run past him,i don't know who it was but if it was Doyle,and no disrespect Doyle but he aint the quickest,that's very worrying and lathargic indeed.
 
I was 100 yards away so didn't get a view of it, but on second viewing today i think it was a red.
 
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I was 100 yards away so didn't get a view of it, but on second viewing today i think it was a red.
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A reaction usually tells you a lot and when McCarthy walked straight off when shown the red card that was good enough for me.
 
I saw the red, and half expected a bit of protest and arguing with the ref, but a few seconds later i looked to see who has trudging off and McCarthy was almost down the tunnel
 
Having watched it back I think Howard may have saved it perhaps.

Still a reckless challenge from a Premier League defender.
 
Silent Blade said:
He wasnt registered for us for the FA Cup as Palace refused to allow him so I think he misses the Oldham match
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Bash and McEv should be more than adequate. We are well served at CB though, whilst we have Paddy Mac. Hope he stays.
 
HoodedClaw said:
Can't complain it was a red, would've been fuming if the roles were reversed and their player only got a yellow.
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You'd have spontaneously combusted at Crewe a few weeks back then, we got a pen and their man didn't get a card at all.

Not that we scored the pen of course, plus their man eventually got himself sent off, but that isn't the point....
 
Said it before on here but I think this "denying a goal scoring opportunity" is bollocks. By giving away a penalty you are "giving a goal scoring opportunity" so no red EVER in that circumstance for me, simply a yellow and pen is fair enough.

The whole thing was brought about to stop the cynical chop outside the area, not for stuff inside the box. It's "evolved" into that because the authorities are a bunch of twats. How many decisions don't even end in a penalty because the ref would have to send off the defender and you can't do that to home players at OT, Anfield etc.?
 
Trigger Blade said:
You'd have spontaneously combusted at Crewe a few weeks back then, we got a pen and their man didn't get a card at all.

Not that we scored the pen of course, plus their man eventually got himself sent off, but that isn't the point....
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Which raises a question I'm yet to find the answer for - Baxter at Crewe, clear goalscoring opportunity, gets fouled, penalty given defender doesn't even see yellow.
A very similar incident in the sunderland/everton game the other week, Wickham denies a goalscoring opportunity and as last man should have seen red, result = no card but penalty given.
Paddy Mac, denies a goalscoring opportunity, straight red (no complaints for me as a clear sending off)
Also JCR gets fouled inside the box (yes I know a pen wasn't given) but a clear shirt pulling foul, their defender already carded doesn't get a yellow (anywhere else on the pitch a clear card) - - the inconsistencies appear to be a bit baffling to say the least.
 
curtisblades said:
As an experienced centre half McCarthy was always going to make that challenge. In my opinion it was the right decision as he stopped a goal and then the resulting penalty was saved.
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Yep - played CH for many years and it that situation you are always going to have a go. In my day, the CF just got his own back 5 minutes later!

My point about Mccarthy is this - he does not train with us and apparently comes up Thur/Fri which is not enough time to get used to who he will be playing with.
He seems a decent CH, but the nBAsham /Mcceverly look a good pair also.

Is Mccarthy worth persevering with under this silly training regime where the majority is done with Palace.

Seems to me that we will be in the market in the January window for a full time CH

UTB
 
Dkc said:
The only way a player should commit a deliberate foul or handball in the penalty area is to prevent a certain goal, and even then it should depend on the score and circumstances.

If, say, it's 0-0 in an FA Cup semi final, with five minutes to go, a deliberate handball on the line to prevent a goal, or upending an opposition player before he taps the ball into an empty net is probably about worth it.
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This sounds suspiciously like condoning the behaviour of one Luis Suarez at the 2010 World Cup. From the team's point of view he saved the tie by cheating and no doubt his team mates applauded him for helping them into the semis. From a sporting point of view this is about as bad as cheating gets in football and should be punished accordingly.

Of the overall debate, at the point of the incident in a case like McCarthy's, you're almost certain to concede a goal if you don't commit the foul. If you do commit the foul you're almost certain to concede a goal and be a man down. Obviously the most likely scenario following the foul means that choosing the foul is the wrong option. McCarthy can count himself very lucky that Howard and Murphy each produced one of their best moments of the season after his error.
 
Definitely a very poor decision, had he saved it for the Walsall game he would have got Christmas at home with his family ........
 



Punk Blade said:
This sounds suspiciously like condoning the behaviour of one Luis Suarez at the 2010 World Cup. .
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Not at all, Suarez's behaviour was far worse than just a a deliberate foul or a handball. Preventing a certain goal is probably not even as bad as diving in the area as at least you aren't trying to deceive anyone.

If football was played to the letter of the law at all times it would be a very different game.
 
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