This is not Clough's fault

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blader said:
So when he said publicly he gave the board 3 players on TDD, and we got none of them, likewise for Freeman and Bennett, how is that 'not being refused' anything?
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Did he say that it was the board who refused to deals rather than him because the price wasn't worth paying?
You want to attack the club get on with it, but Clough can't be exempt, just because it doesn't fit your agenda.
It's all pathetic but crack on, I know you'll be proven wrong over the season.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Did he say that it was the board who refused to deals rather than him because the price wasn't worth paying?
You want to attack the club get on with it, but Clough can't be exempt, just because it doesn't fit your agenda.
It's all pathetic but crack on, I know you'll be proven wrong over the season.
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'Price wasn't worth paying'. Glad we spent the money on other worthwhile players then.

As for the bit in bold, I hope so, but it ain't looking good pal!
 
Living In a Fantasy World said:
I can't agree with this sorry, I don't believe Clough has had this hands tied behind his back at all. Team is simply under preforming, we do have the quality to get out of this league.
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Sorry mate but I don't agree with you here. I don't think we do have the quality to get out of this league, I think we have a couple of quality players, a few decent players and a significant number who are not up to it.
I think that we are at least 3 quality players short of a promotion team and that is not a knee jerk reaction to todays result. Todays result is simply one of a series of underperformances this season. It should be worrying people in management positions at BDTBL.
UTB & FTP
 
blader said:
Just because we're told its up to Clough doesn't make it so. You should know better than to believe everything you hear from our club.
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So if you don't believe the board or the manager where do you get your info from?
Clough said he'd been backed, you don't have proof otherwise.
Your just making stories up and pushing an agenda with no facts.
 
Embarrassing result today. Should get a point at least there. Worrying we were 3 down.
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
So if you don't believe the board or the manager where do you get your info from?
Clough said he'd been backed, you don't have proof otherwise.
Your just making stories up and pushing an agenda with no facts.
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I think there's a number of ways Clough could publicly say that he's happy with the backing, but the backing not be of the required quantity though.

It goes without saying that there's some sort of agreed budget, and the manager has to buy in to it. However, given the choice between McNulty or Messi, he'd only have been happy with Messi, but he understands the constraints.

I cannot believe that Clough thinks the investment / players we've brought in would do anything other than put us into a mix of about 10 clubs pushing with a reasonable chance of promotion. If he thought otherwise, I'd have to question his judgement. Who knows what Clough expects of us, but for sure fans of third division Sheffield United certainly expect more. (I accept that you aren't in that "crowd", as you think we're more than good enough).

As it is, I think his style of football is as much in question as the investment he's benefited from.

UTB
 
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I think the expectation from the board had been clearly stated. Clough knows if he doesn't get promotion he's going to be judged so why not say if he hasn't been given what was promised?
Unless he has and now we just need to put a run together with the players we have who are more than good enough.
 



Flatulent_Bob said:
I think the expectation from the board had been clearly stated. Clough knows if he doesn't get promotion he's going to be judged so why not say if he hasn't been given what was promised?
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Because he might well have, but then what he's been promised just isn't enough.

Flatulent_Bob said:
Unless he has and now we just need to put a run together with the players we have who are more than good enough.
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We'll have to beg to differ on that. Surely you must have begun to question that based on what you've seen so far?

UTB
 
Well most posters on the forum said judge us after 10 games. After playing those 10 games we are sitting in eleventh spot in the live league table just slightly above bang mid table which I think is a fair reflection on how we are doing. Call it mid table or is it mediocre ? I can't see us going down yet I can't see us making even the play off's at this rate either. Success or failure can come down to fine margins and at the moment we are collectively just not quite up to the job, like today's game it sounded like we were the better team for 30mins then Murphy is fouled by the last defender who only receives a yellow card. They go down the other end and score with a wonder strike (well shit happens). Then Higdon does a stupid late tackle and gets a straight red (he was lucky not to do the same against Gillingham) this more than anything changed the game. I thought we were back in the game when their keeper saw red but no we shoot ourselves in the foot again the new CB giving the ball away Should Clough have put him straight in the team when he has had so few games or introduced him slowly as substitute until he was up to speed and knew his new team mates ? The game was then effectively over, fine margins and two late goals made the scoreline respectable but it only paints over the cracks of another piss poor performance after we started the game well.
 
alcoblade said:
Because he might well have, but then what he's been promised just isn't enough.
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Then he's to blame, if he didn't like his budget he should have said so.
You don't agree to do a job and then throw that excuse out when it all goes south. That's poor management right there.
He's not done that and I don't expect him to do the other either.
Also worth noting that he had no problem saying he wasn't being backed at Derby.
 
metalblade said:
Well most posters on the forum said judge us after 10 games. After playing those 10 games we are sitting in eleventh spot in the live league table just slightly above bang mid table which I think is a fair reflection on how we are doing. Call it mid table or is it mediocre ? I can't see us going down yet I can't see us making even the play off's at this rate either. Success or failure can come down to fine margins and at the moment we are collectively just not quite up to the job, like today's game it sounded like we were the better team for 30mins then Murphy is fouled by the last defender who only receives a yellow card. They go down the other end and score with a wonder strike (well shit happens). Then Higdon does a stupid late tackle and gets a straight red (he was lucky not to do the same against Gillingham) this more than anything changed the game. I thought we were back in the game when their keeper saw red but no we shoot ourselves in the foot again the new CB giving the ball away Should Clough have put him straight in the team when he has had so few games or introduced him slowly as substitute until he was up to speed and knew his new team mates ? The game was then effectively over, fine margins and two late goals made the scoreline respectable but it only paints over the cracks of another piss poor performance after we started the game well.
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We weren't better for 30 mins they were. The goal was coming, as was the third.
 
In terms of signings, most of the other teams in the league have had less money to spend than us (on wages, fees and transfers) yet some of them have signed better players. As per almost every other manager we've had in recent years, we never seem to look abroad. Unless you';re counting Scotland as abroad.
 
We were second best all over the pitch. NC should've brought McNulty on as soon as they went down to 10, but didn't !
They should've pressured the young keeper but didn't !
We should've wanted it as much as they did but didn't !
He said we needed a defender after the Swindon game. he got one but it was as bad as Swindon but Cheezie aren't as good as Swindonw.
We were massively flattered at 3-2.
 
Let's no mess about here Clough is to blame selection and tactical wise.

He plays a centre half who's been here 5 minutes local derby FFS
10 against 10 and he delays putting on Mcnulty and JCR.
Ok Higdon let us down bit harsh though the sending off
You've got until Xmas Mr Clough to pull it round the vultures are gathering now
 
Flatulent_Bob said:
Then he's to blame, if he didn't like his budget he should have said so.
You don't agree to do a job and then throw that excuse out when it all goes south. That's poor management right there.
He's not done that and I don't expect him to do the other either.
Also worth noting that he had no problem saying he wasn't being backed at Derby.
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"You don't agree to do a job and then throw that excuse out when it all goes south. " Agreed, he shouldn't be washing his dirty linen in public, but isn't it you saying that he should be, because I'm not?


Seriously, I can understand anyone thinking our signings gave us a chance to be in the mix. If anyone believed they were likely to be a sure bet, then (sorry Bob) they need their head testing. I have questions in my head about Clough's ability to get us promoted, but I don't doubt for a second that he knows that he's brought in limited players on a relative shoestring. I just believe that he's happy to accept that, given what's available.

UTB
 
Look at his record before he joined us
He is mr manageonashoestring
If he ever did get us up to the championship we would have to replace him with someone who could take the cub forward

He has been brought in as he fits the boards criteria of being a manager who can work with a limited budget and a squad of limited players
 
judge said:
Look at his record before he joined us
He is mr manageonashoestring
If he ever did get us up to the championship we would have to replace him with someone who could take the cub forward

He has been brought in as he fits the boards criteria of being a manager who can work with a limited budget and a squad of limited players
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There are big question marks about his ability to get teams promoted. Perhaps his style and drive just doesn't tick the right boxes.
Time and again people (just search around here) get wrapped up in bullshit about connecting with the fan base, sounding right, playing the right way, encouraging youth etc etc. Managers like Warnock and Steve Evans are disliked because they don't tick enough of these boxes, they just know what winning is all about.

This will be followed by a bunch of pots about "if we ever had Steve Evans as manager". After all, he eats too many pies and is a gobshite. Never mind his track record that proves without doubt that he knows how to win things.

Of course, many more years in this pitiful league and these nonsense clichés will be exposed for what they are, with 10,000 of us struggling to muster the enthusiasm to bother any more. But we’ll still have the right ethos, apparently.

UTB
 
Dont get the impression the players would run through a brick wall for clough do you ?

Think the fans deserve better than this
A well organised team with a bit of pace and commitment could walk this league
 
Good post by the OP.

We need to stop changing managers every season, and stick with a single man though thick and thin. That means not calling for his head when times are tough. Who have been our most successful managers in recent years? Those who have been given time to build a squad. We shouldn't be calling for a manager's head after two or three bad results.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if we hadn't managed those late goals against Rochdale, Colchester and Gillingham. We'd be in the relegation zone now.

I've not supported the sacking of any manager in recent yearsapart from Robson and Weir. They were both special cases.
 
After watching that result today it really seemed like clough had no idea what to do he spent 60 min sat on his arse not shouting any instructions, the players are too blame but a manager that doesn't show any leadership doesn't help anything, Mcnulty has shown he is about the only striker alongside Baxter that is worthy of being in the team.
 



judge said:
Dont get the impression the players would run through a brick wall for clough do you ?

Think the fans deserve better than this
A well organised team with a bit of pace and commitment could walk this league
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We're not aloud to request pace. Don't you remember Luton Shelton? He's clearly evidence that ALL fast players are shit.
 
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