The wilder conundrum

[Aston max]

 

[Red Wing Blade]

Wilder as DoF has absolutely zero merit whatsoever.

He'd be appalling in that role.

Every player he's signed for a fee, Ramsdale is the only exception I can think of, left for a loss or for free. I can't think of many players, if not any, who have improved during his second or third tenures. Even Cooper went from arguably the best or second best keeper in the division to an inferior version of himself last season, as did Burrows.

He would be the last person you'd want in charge of scouting and recruitment, especially after his midweek comments regarding transfers, the dross he's signed and money he's wasted, nor would I want him handling contracts.

 

[Red Wing Blade]

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Thought I'd spotted a typo.... no wait. Ignore me!!

(it's a joke...chill out!)

 

[Aston max]

Thought I'd spotted a typo.... no wait. Ignore me!!

(it's a joke...chill out!)

See who else spots it ,oh and by the way they're useful he's not

 

[54yrblade]

I don’t believe it’s because we think we are a championship powerhouse at all
That’s bloody nonsense
We do think the football could better it’s not occasionally bad it’s been bad for the third season in a row sams tactics same plan just worse players playing the same plan
We still have a top ten budget let’s not forget that
Yet you look round this division who else has our “homely” approach
Who else for three season watch’s their team blowing out of their arse after 70 minutes, week in week out
Look at the latest stats over the whole thing we are bottom of the pile
For a top ten club budget wise that makes you ask why are we the worst statically performing team in the division
There is no plan ffs who runs a multi million pounds football business with no plan
No it’s not entitlement but it is caring a deep connection to the club

Correct!
It's a total embarrassment but apparently more than acceptable to a significant percentage of our support as he had a great spell years ago, around the same time that Kalvin Phillips did.

He used to claim to have reconnected the club, but is doing the exact opposite now due to his waning ability, increased use of clichés in his poor repetitive pressers and criticising his own fans who have the audacity to call him out.


There is nothing of quality being evidenced now.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

When Wilder took over in the Prem
Wrexham were NONE League

They weren't, they were 2nd in League Two.

 

[A Storm of Blades]

Fair enough that’s true but selling O’Hare, Brooks and Hamer without adequately replacing them with an ounce of creativity has contributed to this utter turgid style we are currently watching. Wilder definitely contributed to Brooks leaving though so I won’t cut him too much slack.

Selling Hamer, Brooks and O’Hare is eminently sensible if we’re going to play like a mid-80s Division 3 side and smash the ball as high and hard as possible. We’re embarrassing in possession let’s be honest. O’Hare in particular would have had to have a mandatory step-ladder written into his contract

 

[SLB]

Correct!
It's a total embarrassment but apparently more than acceptable to a significant percentage of our support as he had a great spell years ago, around the same time that Kalvin Phillips did.

He used to claim to have reconnected the club, but is doing the exact opposite now due to his waning ability, increased use of clichés in his poor repetitive pressers and criticising his own fans who have the audacity to call him out.


There is nothing of quality being evidenced now.

We know that, we accept that and the new one, jumping through hoops are my favourites.

 

[Peaktrade]

Chris Wilder as Director of Football: scouting checklist:


Are they from Barnsley?
Have they ever played for Leeds?
Have they ever played for Leicester?
Have they previously played for Sheffield United?
Are they someone Wilder tried to sign six years ago?
Are they over 30?
Are they described as “experienced at this level”?
Can they play centre-back?
Can they also supposedly play wing-back despite having no pace whatsoever?
Have they got “good character”?
Do they “know the division”?
Have they been promoted from the Championship at some point since 2014?
Are they available because another club has decided they’re past their best?
Can we sign them without needing an overseas scouting department?


Are they a quick winger?
Are they an attacking midfielder who can actually carry the ball?
Are they 20–23 with massive resale potential?
Have they been found through some clever European/South American scouting network?
Do they offer something tactically different from the other eight players we already have in that position?


Final scouting meeting:
“Right lads, we’ve got 11 centre-halves, four defensive midfielders, no width, no pace and nobody between the lines.”


“Excellent. Has anyone checked if there’s another ex-Leeds defender available?”

 

[Spadge54]

Fleetwood got spanked by Barnet let that sink in thats how far we have regressed as a football club its up there with Palace loosing at Macclesfield

Arsenal lost 3-0 to Brighton?
Look at some of the runs lower league clubs go on in the cups… then get spanked every game in league happens all time in clubs you could pick ten every season of lower league beating higher

 

[S13-Handsworth]

Tick Tok

 

[Yoonitedite]

I think give him until Christmas. See how it goes with burrows, one and seriki back but I am slowly losing patience

We could have Haaland in the team and he'd get played on the left wing

 

[I should coco]

He stayed after two relegations, the first one to L1. And the major rebuild after the first one might be exactly what we need somebody to come in to do now. There will certainly be people out there who can do it.

You are of course correct. I'd forgotten that, but as he didn't join until January, it was't really 'his' relegation.

I was thinking about 94/95, when all our half decent players had been sold underneath him. He didn't look like he was going to bounce us straight back, but he was still very shabbily treated.

There will be plenty of people out there able to do a rebuild.

There will also be owners out there, able to recognise these people.

As for our set of clowns......

 

[RandomBlade]

Bring in a progressive manager now. And stick by him even if we go down.
We probably need to take a step back to be able to take several steps forward

I've seen this term "progressive manager" used on here quite a bit recently. Can someone please explain to me what exactly a "progressive manager" is? Bearing in mind this "progressive manager" would be working with the same squad of players we have currently have. A master turd polisher maybe?

 

[Silky Sabella]

I remember very clearly Swansea, Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton being in the old 4th division, and Wrexham, Lincoln City etc, being non league teams. Look what's they are now, look at there infrastructure, but most importantly, look at the STYLE OF MANAGER they have !!!

 

[RandomBlade]

I remember very clearly Swansea, Brentford, Bournemouth, Brighton being in the old 4th division, and Wrexham, Lincoln City etc, being non league teams. Look what's they are now, look at there infrastructure, but most importantly, look at the STYLE OF MANAGER they have !!!

We need a Phil Parkinson style manager ??? ..... erm ok.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

I've seen this term "progressive manager" used on here quite a bit recently. Can someone please explain to me what exactly a "progressive manager" is?

Not somebody who played under Dave Bassett in the 80s.

 

[RandomBlade]

Not somebody who played under Dave Bassett in the 80s.

Not what I asked was it?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Not what I asked was it?

Perhaps not but I'm sure you get the gist.

 

[RandomBlade]

Perhaps not but I'm sure you get the gist.

Ah ok think I do, so anyone associated with 80s Bassett or possibly Warnock later on im guessing cant be a good "progressive" manager/coach?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Ah ok think I do, so anyone associated with 80s Bassett or possibly Warnock later on im guessing cant be a good "progressive" manager/coach?

They're not exactly the type of people Premier League clubs are going for these days, are they?

When Oliver Glasner left Palace in the summer they didn't get on the blower to Steve Evans or make an overture towards Steve Cotterill.

 

[RandomBlade]

They're not exactly the type of people Premier League clubs are going for these days, are they?

When Oliver Glasner left Palace in the summer they didn't get on the blower to Steve Evans or make an overture towards Steve Cotterill.

Yeah you're right they'de only just got off the blower to Woy Hodgson !

 

[KMC-1889]

and truly stick with a manager who took us down?

In my lifetime, the only manager who stayed after relegation, was DB, and he got the bum's rush fairly shortly after.

are you forgetting when Wilder took us down in 23/24 and was still here in 24/25?

Not like the Wilder mafia to miss an opportunity to bring up the 90pt season. Normally won’t stop banging on about.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Yeah you're right they'de only just got off the blower to Woy Hodgson !

You jest but I think even Roy Hodgson would generally be considered more progressive than someone like Warnock or Wilder.

He's managed all over the world at club and international level.

 

[RandomBlade]

You jest but I think even Roy Hodgson would generally be considered more progressive than someone like Warnock or Wilder.

He's managed all over the world at club and international level.

Warnock is still is in demand because of his record of getting results and rescuing clubs . Basset has always been regarded as one of our better managers but still called a dinosaur (ever seen better than Deane and Agana? ). Wilder first division to Ninth in the Prem. Say no more. Time to move on? Maybe but not for the sake of it. Selles was amazing.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Warnock is still is in demand because of his record of getting results and rescuing clubs . Basset has always been regarded as one of our better managers but still called a dinosaur (ever seen better than Deane and Agana? ). Wilder first division to Ninth in the Prem. Say no more. Time to move on? Maybe but not for the sake of it. Selles was amazing.

You're talking about people from 40 years ago.

Things have moved on a bit.

When we appointed Jokanovic he was the first foreign manager we'd ever had.

That doesn't seem normal to me for a professional football club in the year 2021.

Why do we always have to be so parochial? Can't we look at some people who might have a slightly wider or different perspective on the game of football?

Look at the characters we've had in charge in some capacity over recent years.

Heath, Slade, Warnock, Blackwell, Carver, Adams, Wilson, Morgan, Clough, Wilder, Heckingbottom...

It reads like the fucking ale committee at your local WMC.

 

[RandomBlade]

You're talking about people from 40 years ago.

Things have moved on a bit.

When we appointed Jokanovic he was the first foreign manager we'd ever had.

That doesn't seem normal to me for a football club in the year 2021.

Why do we always have to be so parochial? Can't we look at some people who might have a slightly wider or different perspective on the game of football?

Look at the characters we've had in charge in some capacity over recent years.

Heath, Slade, Warnock, Blackwell, Carver, Adams, Wilson, Morgan, Clough, Wilder, Heckingbottom...

It reads like the fucking ale committee at your local WMC.

So perochial is a problem? That, that has brought our limited "sucess" ? Yes we tried that did you not notice? Yes we can look outside at other people , please do, but appoint the right ones.

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

So perochial is a problem?

Absolutely it's a problem because we're constantly fishing in the same local pond while everyone else is looking at Europe and the rest of the world.

That, that has brought our limited "sucess" ?

That's the problem.

If you keep going for the same type of people then they're the only people you're ever going to have any type of success with.

Then we've got to wait another ten or fifteen years for the next Bassett, Warnock or Wilder to come along.

Yes we tried that did you not notice?

We've tried it twice in our entire history.

The tragedy of the failures of Jokanovic and Selles is that it has reinforced the idea with some people that we can only succeed with Wilder types.

Yes we can look outside at other people , please do, but appoint the right ones.

Agreed on that.

That's what we should be doing right now.

 

[RandomBlade]

Absolutely it's a problem because we're constantly fishing in the same local pond while everyone else is looking at Europe and the rest of the world.



That's the problem.

If you keep going for the same type of people then they're the only people you're ever going to have any type of success with.

Then we've got to wait another ten or fifteen years for the next Bassett, Warnock or Wilder to come along.



We've tried it twice in our entire history.

The tragedy of the failures of Jokanovic and Selles is that it has reinforced the idea with some people that we can only succeed with Wilder types.



Agreed on

Absolutely it's a problem because we're constantly fishing in the same local pond while everyone else is looking at Europe and the rest of the world.



That's the problem.

If you keep going for the same type of people then they're the only people you're ever going to have any type of success with.

Then we've got to wait another ten or fifteen years for the next Bassett, Warnock or Wilder to come along.



We've tried it twice in our entire history.

The tragedy of the failures of Jokanovic and Selles is that it has reinforced the idea with some people that we can only succeed with Wilder types.



Agreed on that.

That's what we should be

Wilder types? You mean like me that likes a pint and after the match?

 

[PeterNdlovu081]

Wilder types? You mean like me that likes a pint and after the match?

We can't carry on like this anymore.

Wilder has lost the plot and it's not going to get any better.

People are fucking fed up with it all.

You can hire the biggest piss head in Europe for all I care as long as he gets us playing some decent football.