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What is the plan for United?

I don't even want to labour the point with what we could do differently, it's been mentioned to death on here by numerous people.

How long are we just going to trudge along with this one paced, one dimensional thinking (on and off the pitch).

Honestly, I would rather go down trying something fresh and innovative than plod along on the slow demise we are currently set on.

Slow, insipid bunch of cunts from top to bottom.
 



The whole ethos of the Club needs to change, but it won’t. I’d say we are 10 years behind other Clubs in forward thinking. Fitness, nutrition, ball retention, speed of thought, tactics. We are one paced, tactically naive, fitness is still an issue. We are badly run from the top downwards, There is no plan, no visible signs of a Club moving with the times. We are drifting with no destination in sight. The Club needs taking by the scruff of the neck, with a few kicks up the arse. We are now seeing the pattern that has gripped this Club for years repeating itself. Premier League, relegation, millions then wasted on crap, selling of our best players, washed up past it players on big wages, relegation to League One. Rinse and repeat.
 
The whole ethos of the Club needs to change, but it won’t. I’d say we are 10 years behind other Clubs in forward thinking. Fitness, nutrition, ball retention, speed of thought, tactics. We are one paced, tactically naive, fitness is still an issue. We are badly run from the top downwards, There is no plan, no visible signs of a Club moving with the times. We are drifting with no destination in sight. The Club needs taking by the scruff of the neck, with a few kicks up the arse. We are now seeing the pattern that has gripped this Club for years repeating itself. Premier League, relegation, millions then wasted on crap, selling of our best players, washed up past it players on big wages, relegation to League One. Rinse and repeat.

Wilder.
 
The whole ethos of the Club needs to change, but it won’t. I’d say we are 10 years behind other Clubs in forward thinking. Fitness, nutrition, ball retention, speed of thought, tactics. We are one paced, tactically naive, fitness is still an issue. We are badly run from the top downwards, There is no plan, no visible signs of a Club moving with the times. We are drifting with no destination in sight. The Club needs taking by the scruff of the neck, with a few kicks up the arse. We are now seeing the pattern that has gripped this Club for years repeating itself. Premier League, relegation, millions then wasted on crap, selling of our best players, washed up past it players on big wages, relegation to League One. Rinse and repeat.
This.

When wilder walked in we were 10 years away from all other clubs and he brought us up to speed and over took a lot.... but then in the prem, Instead of slapping the launch button and going a further few years advanced and moving club along we imploded and did everything on cheap and ended up standing still whilst all other clubs caught up and over took us & now we are years away yet again.
 
I think this club is in a rut. Tired, going through the motions and cliched.
Exactly. The club has become stale and backward looking. We have been in a slow decline for a while, but it could easily accelerate. A lot needs to change, from top to bottom. But that’s going to take money.
 
Forgot how entitled some of our fans had become, the lads been great for us stepping up when blaster had is injury. The he only passes bag is such a myth. Yes he hasn’t started this season the best but let’s be right if we’re going on performances you could add another 5/6 to the let’s talk about boll*x

Give him a break
 
Looks like that we are stuck with him until a change of ownership, but that could be more shocking displays like today in the Championship or L1? Do the fan base really deserve the likes of today (also all games this season), supposedly entitled or not??
Most of us think that if we don’t stick with Wilder when our owners have lost interest and / or run out of money (god knows why they thought it was a good idea to buy a football club in that situation) then we will end up in L1. The football is crap but we are picking up points unlike last year. Do I like it - of course not. Am I a blade - yes and like many have way too much understanding of us to start thinking we could attract a manager who could have this team playing like Barcelona- Get real (and I don't mean Madrid)
 



Most of us think that if we don’t stick with Wilder when our owners have lost interest and / or run out of money (god knows why they thought it was a good idea to buy a football club in that situation) then we will end up in L1. The football is crap but we are picking up points unlike last year. Do I like it - of course not. Am I a blade - yes and like many have way too much understanding of us to start thinking we could attract a manager who could have this team playing like Barcelona- Get real (and I don't mean Madrid)
Unfortunately, I don't agree with most of what you have stated, other than the owners. This transfer window so far of signing ex-players and old has been's has been a disgrace and that lies with mainly one man.

The situation at right back today with Doherty, WOW, what was the point of signing him?
 
Unfortunately, I don't agree with most of what you have stated, other than the owners. This transfer window so far of signing ex-players and old has been's has been a disgrace and that lies with mainly one man.

The situation at right back today with Doherty, WOW, what was the point of signing him?
That’s what opinions are for 👍
 
It can all be traced back to the second PL season. That team had peaked and we needed to improve all over the pitch.

We had one of the best defences but we needed more goals. JOC got injured and we rolled the dice on Brewster being the man to get the goals, and based on his reputation it seemed the right move but we should've spent less on a striker and also should've got ourselves a JOC replacement. Bogle and Lowe also seemed like good buys as they were young, highly rated with big potential. Bogle has since proved he's a decent PL player but the entire left side needed improving. Instead we carried on with Stevens and Robbo, while Wilder did his best to ignore Van Winkel's recommendations in Europe. If the rumours were true, we could have had Osimhem and Soucek for the price of Brewster and things would have been very different!
 
Most of us think that if we don’t stick with Wilder when our owners have lost interest and / or run out of money (god knows why they thought it was a good idea to buy a football club in that situation) then we will end up in L1. The football is crap but we are picking up points unlike last year. Do I like it - of course not. Am I a blade - yes and like many have way too much understanding of us to start thinking we could attract a manager who could have this team playing like Barcelona- Get real (and I don't mean Madrid)
This is the same argument as the 24/25 season. Nobody has ever, even once asked for 'play like Barcelona'. Just positivity, intensity, trying to score goals, looking like there's a coherent plan to create chances.
 
Exactly. The club has become stale and backward looking. We have been in a slow decline for a while, but it could easily accelerate. A lot needs to change, from top to bottom. But that’s going to take money.
Watched Forest at Anfield earlier in the afternoon and they more than matched Liverpool in their own back yard with skilful, fast paced football. We are absolutely light years behind the Scabs on and off the pitch, where we were close rivals only a few seasons back. The difference between our two clubs now is mind blowing.
 
This is the same argument as the 24/25 season. Nobody has ever, even once asked for 'play like Barcelona'. Just positivity, intensity, trying to score goals, looking like there's a coherent plan to create chances.
24/25 also wasn't good enough for you was it. You don't want to play like Barcelona you just want to win virtually every game dominating the opposition and scoring loads of goals.
 
It can all be traced back to the second PL season. That team had peaked and we needed to improve all over the pitch.
Indeed, and Wilder has acknowledged that quite recently and admitted that he got it wrong. He thought that group had another season in it, and it turns out it didn’t. Unfortunately, that was a major sliding doors moment and we are still living with the consequences of it today. It wasn’t like getting a team selection or tactical change wrong. It was the point at which the club began to decline from the high point of 2019/20, with a couple of dead cat bounces along the way that have flattened to deceive. That’s when the real damage was done, and my hope is that we will be able to bottom out without another spell in L1.
 
It can all be traced back to the second PL season. That team had peaked and we needed to improve all over the pitch.

We had one of the best defences but we needed more goals. JOC got injured and we rolled the dice on Brewster being the man to get the goals, and based on his reputation it seemed the right move but we should've spent less on a striker and also should've got ourselves a JOC replacement. Bogle and Lowe also seemed like good buys as they were young, highly rated with big potential. Bogle has since proved he's a decent PL player but the entire left side needed improving. Instead we carried on with Stevens and Robbo, while Wilder did his best to ignore Van Winkel's recommendations in Europe. If the rumours were true, we could have had Osimhem and Soucek for the price of Brewster and things would have been very different!

This highlights the source of my frustration. I can just imagine Wilder having that chat about Brewster or signing some foreign lads and thinking “which ones gonna have more of a laugh at training and have the odd beer with me on the coach home…Brewster, Gerrimin”…..I jest, but that’s how it feels. Look at players now, most are British, English. It’s like he can’t work with anyone whose first language isn’t English.
 
This highlights the source of my frustration. I can just imagine Wilder having that chat about Brewster or signing some foreign lads and thinking “which ones gonna have more of a laugh at training and have the odd beer with me on the coach home…Brewster, Gerrimin”…..I jest, but that’s how it feels. Look at players now, most are British, English. It’s like he can’t work with anyone whose first language isn’t English.
Given that Brewster is a Muslim, Wilder would have been particularly stupid to think that 😂. But the sentiment behind your post stands.
 
It isn’t all on Wilder. Whilst he maybe part of problem these days, the issue is much bigger than that.

Wilder was exactly what we needed 10 years ago. He grabbed the club by the scruff of its neck and took us into the Premier League, whilst playing some great football on the way.

Admittedly, that’s some time ago now and things have changed but the club has been dysfunctional and without drive, genuine ambition or a clear strategy with and without Wilder.

All of it needs to change. The manager, the recruitment team, commercial and media teams, the board (or at least get some real investment), CEO, first team coaches… all of it needs a refresh.
 



Looks like that we are stuck with him until a change of ownership, but that could be more shocking displays like today in the Championship or L1? Do the fan base really deserve the likes of today (also all games this season), supposedly entitled or not??
The fan base deserves better but until the cult decide they've had enough of him too, nothing changes.

If Wilder didn't have the city connections things would be different.

A dinosaur plodding along in the AI era, and he's run out of ideas.
 

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