Player Suggestion Souttar played and scored last night

[ancientblade]

Of course it matters what’s formations other clubs use because you have to have players in the correct positions to counteract the oppositions tactics.

If you play a formation that has an inherent weakness against another formation directly they’ve got the upper hand before a ball is kicked.

I have not dismissed Tanganga lightly either. I think Anel is a better player than Tanganga.

I also think that both Anel and Tanganga are better with a brick shithouse really aerially dominant partner.

I don’t think Tanganga and Anel would compliment each-other as well as what Souttar and Anel did a couple of years ago.

youve answered me there tanganga souttar and anel in a back 3 and we know anel is quite capable of moving out of the back 3 in to midfield during games add to that the fact that both seriki and burrows are both wingbacks not full backs and you must see my point about 352 it has to be worth another try its actually as captain morgan has posted 3412 with o'hare given a free role behind the 2 strikers mind neither cannon nor campbell will get the goals to get us in to the top 8 why wilder is playing cannon and given campbell a new contract is beyond me both bad decisions from a manager who was fantastic first time round but seems devoid of ideas thesedays i find it a bit sad in a way utb ftp

 

[ben1987]

youve answered me there tanganga souttar and anel in a back 3 and we know anel is quite capable of moving out of the back 3 in to midfield during games add to that the fact that both seriki and burrows are both wingbacks not full backs and you must see my point about 352 it has to be worth another try its actually as captain morgan has posted 3412 with o'hare given a free role behind the 2 strikers mind neither cannon nor campbell will get the goals to get us in to the top 8 why wilder is playing cannon and given campbell a new contract is beyond me both bad decisions from a manager who was fantastic first time round but seems devoid of ideas thesedays i find it a bit sad in a way utb ftp

Yes I can see why some people would look at the squad and think that it would be our best line up.

However my point is that if most of the division is playing with wingers and one striker this then gives 352 or 3412 two major flaws.

You are wasting an extra defender against one main striker leaving the midfield and attack a man short

Borrows and Seriki may be comfortable at wing back but when everyone is playing with wingers it leaves a lot of space in behind them down the wings every time the bomb forward.

When it went tits up for us in the premier league first time round under wilder it was partly down to us not recruiting properly in the second season but also top coaches left wide men on the touch line high up the pitch and everytime we bombed forward from wing back or CB, they intercepted and played a diagonal ball to the wide men who had the freedom of the pitch to advance forward. It was simple rinse and repeat against a major flaw.

 

[bertieblade]

The way Souttar and McGuiness played on Saturday I would prefer McGuiness.
who is to say that Souttar is going to recapture the form of when he was previously here and that McGuiness is not going to get better?
Similar pace
Similar ability in the air
Souttar is better at organising the defence but our centre backs did well on Saturday.

It us a no brainer to just bring Anel in, leave McGuiness in the squad and then concentrate on a left winger and move on either Campbell or Cannon and replace with an on loan striker with pace and effort.

Easy this management game

 

[HOT CURRIE 10]

I can the the final weeks of the window being;

Souttar goes to Wrexham
Ahmedhodzic joins Southampton

Leaving us with...

Welcome home Robbo

“He's a player we have been keeping an eye for quite a long time “ sigh.

 

[ckpe147]

The way Souttar and McGuiness played on Saturday I would prefer McGuiness.
who is to say that Souttar is going to recapture the form of when he was previously here and that McGuiness is not going to get better?
Similar pace
Similar ability in the air
Souttar is better at organising the defence but our centre backs did well on Saturday.

It us a no brainer to just bring Anel in, leave McGuiness in the squad and then concentrate on a left winger and move on either Campbell or Cannon and replace with an on loan striker with pace and effort.

Easy this management game

This i agree with wholeheartedly.

McGuinness is the exact sort of defender you need to be able to bring on and, is clearly a great professional, and surely a culture carrier for him to perform the way he has after being embarrassed publicly by wilder.

 

[ancientblade]

Yes I can see why some people would look at the squad and think that it would be our best line up.

However my point is that if most of the division is playing with wingers and one striker this then gives 352 or 3412 two major flaws.

You are wasting an extra defender against one main striker leaving the midfield and attack a man short

Borrows and Seriki may be comfortable at wing back but when everyone is playing with wingers it leaves a lot of space in behind them down the wings every time the bomb forward.

When it went tits up for us in the premier league first time round under wilder it was partly down to us not recruiting properly in the second season but also top coaches left wide men on the touch line high up the pitch and everytime we bombed forward from wing back or CB, they intercepted and played a diagonal ball to the wide men who had the freedom of the pitch to advance forward. It was simple rinse and repeat against a major flaw.

of course i see your point but i would sooner let opponents worry about our system than the other way round and if opponents are playing 4231 with wingers and only 1 striker our rcb and lcb can spread to cover their wingers but dont forget they would have to sit deeper as well to combat our wingbacks my major concern is that wilder seems incapable of adapting to other teams tactics during games as happened saturday cannon was doing nothing and one should have been brought on at half time not only given 20mins no wonder hes rumoured to be unsettled

 

[CaptainMorgans]

Actually a bit surprised if Leicester aren't keen on McGuinness as part of a swap deal. He's a very plausible option at League 1 level and worth at least £2-3m. No injury concerns, a fairly solid head it kick it man.

 

[Pedro Verde]

I can the the final weeks of the window being;

Souttar goes to Wrexham
Ahmedhodzic joins Southampton

Leaving us with...

Welcome home Robbo

Thats not even funny !!!

 

[Berkshire Blade]

Actually a bit surprised if Leicester aren't keen on McGuinness as part of a swap deal. He's a very plausible option at League 1 level and worth at least £2-3m. No injury concerns, a fairly solid head it kick it man.

He's league oney but not Russell Martiny

Financially it might not be doable but as a back up to Souttar or that type I think he is okay

 

[Blade56]

McGuiness has been mom last 2 games and scored. Be so BladeyBladeness to get rid of McGuiness and splash a huge amount on Soutter then Soutter gets injured and McG storms his new club.

 

[luffenhamblade]

McGuiness has been mom last 2 games and scored. Be so BladeyBladeness to get rid of McGuiness and splash a huge amount on Soutter then Soutter gets injured and McG storms his new club.

BladeyBlade House - what do I win?

 

[Rufus Smalls]

The way Souttar and McGuiness played on Saturday I would prefer McGuiness.
who is to say that Souttar is going to recapture the form of when he was previously here and that McGuiness is not going to get better?
Similar pace
Similar ability in the air
Souttar is better at organising the defence but our centre backs did well on Saturday.

It us a no brainer to just bring Anel in, leave McGuiness in the squad and then concentrate on a left winger and move on either Campbell or Cannon and replace with an on loan striker with pace and effort.

Easy this management game

If McGuinness plays all season like he did on Saturday, we’ll all be very happy.

 

[Kenilworth]

If McGuinness plays all season like he did on Saturday, we’ll all be very happy.

Plenty seeing a different game to me.
He was slow
He lacked concentration
He reacted rather than read the game.
Times I saw him turn away from the ball going out and didn’t get his head up before play restarted.
He’s gash.

 

[Rufus Smalls]

Plenty seeing a different game to me.
He was slow
He lacked concentration
He reacted rather than read the game.
Times I saw him turn away from the ball going out and didn’t get his head up before play restarted.
He’s gash.

We all agree he’s not the best centre half we’ve ever had. But he won headers and, along with a solid Tanganga performance, kept a clean sheet. Their strikers were kept very quiet and that made Cooper’s day a lot easier.

 

[Upton_Blade]

Completely agree regards 3-5-2. Squad isn’t built for it. Sign some wingers and stick with 4-2-3-1.

I completely disagree. The squad right now isn't suited to 433 or 4321. If we get the right additions then it will be but whether we can or not remains to be seen.

 

[Nedski]

Players United chased over multiple windows under Wilder, he named, and were the only target focussed on (or were accompanied by a 'target' completely out of United's price and wage range) or players targeted 'again' after being here and having left.

John Lundstram
Ryan Leonard
Ricky Holmes
Dean Henderson
Lys Mousset
Oli McBurnie
Luke Freeman
Sander Berge
Rhian Brewster
Aaron Ramsdale
BBD
Hamza Choudhury
Tom Cannon
Kalvin Phillips
Harry Souttar

I'm sure there are others

United have signed 5 players from a European league under Wilder, only 1 as a first choice (Berge). None from any other continent.

I have no idea why you seem to want to take a dig at United fans (Tin foil hats) when there is so much evidence that United shop in such a small geographical area that targets are extremely limited and so much evidence that United have very, very specific targets under Wilder.

At the end of the January window, Wilder had signed a total of 77 (permanent) players for Utd. 64 of which were British or Irish! That's 83%, and I can guarantee there's nowhere near 83 British/Irish players in the top 100 premier league players list. When you also take in to account the additional premium that British players seem to have, Wilder is basically spending more money on inferior players. Who'd have thought?!

 

[Darren William]

At the end of the January window, Wilder had signed a total of 77 (permanent) players for Utd. 64 of which were British or Irish! That's 83%, and I can guarantee there's nowhere near 83 British/Irish players in the top 100 premier league players list. When you also take in to account the additional premium that British players seem to have, Wilder is basically spending more money on inferior players. Who'd have thought?!

Surely with all this shitshow from owners no signing will be made ,utd going same way as leister !!!.

 

[Champagneblade]

Yes I can see why some people would look at the squad and think that it would be our best line up.

However my point is that if most of the division is playing with wingers and one striker this then gives 352 or 3412 two major flaws.

You are wasting an extra defender against one main striker leaving the midfield and attack a man short

Borrows and Seriki may be comfortable at wing back but when everyone is playing with wingers it leaves a lot of space in behind them down the wings every time the bomb forward.

When it went tits up for us in the premier league first time round under wilder it was partly down to us not recruiting properly in the second season but also top coaches left wide men on the touch line high up the pitch and everytime we bombed forward from wing back or CB, they intercepted and played a diagonal ball to the wide men who had the freedom of the pitch to advance forward. It was simple rinse and repeat against a major flaw.

Most teams played with wingers before when we played this formation.

It didn’t stop us beating the majority of them.

Who is to say that Tanganga, a former fullback and Anel, good at bringing the ball out can’t overlap? That gives a man advantage when you attack as you overload.

You also have a chance to dominate the midfield as you as 3 v 2 in that formation.

I don’t think one formation has a massive advantage over another. Whichever way you put it, each team has 10 outfield players.

Fact is, good defenders are cheaper than good offensive players. Right now, one maybe two centre backs and your system is good to go. You could even play Seriki, Tanganga, McGuinness, McCalllum and Burrows now; McCallum is very good in the air for his size and has played centre back for us.

In 4-2-3-1, we seemingly need one more centre back and one if not two wingers given we only really have Donovan and Chong, though Chong is down as an attacking midfielder rather than winger.

So it’s swings and roundabouts. It all depends what quality of players are available and how likely we are to get them. At the moment we are weak on the wing and favouring a system that relies on wingers.

 

[Blademan89]

Most teams played with wingers before when we played this formation.

It didn’t stop us beating the majority of them.

Who is to say that Tanganga, a former fullback and Anel, good at bringing the ball out can’t overlap? That gives a man advantage when you attack as you overload.

You also have a chance to dominate the midfield as you as 3 v 2 in that formation.

I don’t think one formation has a massive advantage over another. Whichever way you put it, each team has 10 outfield players.

Fact is, good defenders are cheaper than good offensive players. Right now, one maybe two centre backs and your system is good to go. You could even play Seriki, Tanganga, McGuinness, McCalllum and Burrows now; McCallum is very good in the air for his size and has played centre back for us.

In 4-2-3-1, we seemingly need one more centre back and one if not two wingers given we only really have Donovan and Chong, though Chong is down as an attacking midfielder rather than winger.

So it’s swings and roundabouts. It all depends what quality of players are available and how likely we are to get them. At the moment we are weak on the wing and favouring a system that relies on wingers.

It also all hangs on how brave the manager and players are for the system to work.

When we was beating teams and playing that free flowing sexy football with overlaps, not only did we have players that fit perfectly for it, we was fearless and brave to push on and creat the overlap not worried about the space in behind or the turn over.

Soon as we stopped been brave and other teams gambling (in prem 2nd season) they decided to leave fast wingers up top then along with joc, it started to unravel, as we started to become less brave and sit further back then when we had ball there was no outlet and no players up the pitch.

We started thinking more of what happens if we turn possesion over and cant get back rather than making opposition think yeah we need to get back and defend. Which is easy to go into our shells beacuse you dont want to leave a prime mo salah / mahrez / rashford on halfway line vs Egan & norwood in a footrace.

This is why that 2nd season most of the game we list were 1-0 2-0 2-1s... we just wasnt brave and become a bank of 5&4 at times.

Apart from fitness levels I dont think theres any other reason we couldnt go back to the same brave overlapping style especially in the chamionship (if anel & soutter was brought in). Tanganga & anel have the speed to recover with seriki and mcallum/burrows. But they dont have the natural athletic fitness of joc & bash.

 

[Champagneblade]

It also all hangs on how brave the manager and players are for the system to work.

When we was beating teams and playing that free flowing sexy football with overlaps, not only did we have players that fit perfectly for it, we was fearless and brave to push on and creat the overlap not worried about the space in behind or the turn over.

Soon as we stopped been brave and other teams gambling (in prem 2nd season) they decided to leave fast wingers up top then along with joc, it started to unravel, as we started to become less brave and sit further back then when we had ball there was no outlet and no players up the pitch.

We started thinking more of what happens if we turn possesion over and cant get back rather than making opposition think yeah we need to get back and defend. Which is easy to go into our shells beacuse you dont want to leave a prime mo salah / mahrez / rashford on halfway line vs Egan & norwood in a footrace.

This is why that 2nd season most of the game we list were 1-0 2-0 2-1s... we just wasnt brave and become a bank of 5&4 at times.

Apart from fitness levels I dont think theres any other reason we couldnt go back to the same brave overlapping style especially in the chamionship (if anel & soutter was brought in). Tanganga & anel have the speed to recover with seriki and mcallum/burrows. But they dont have the natural athletic fitness of joc & bash.

JOC was injured in no time and irreplaceable. We were like a bird worh a broken wing once he was done.

 

[Alex Cheeseright]

Actually a bit surprised if Leicester aren't keen on McGuinness as part of a swap deal. He's a very plausible option at League 1 level and worth at least £2-3m. No injury concerns, a fairly solid head it kick it man.

Wages too high for a league 1 , financially troubled team.

 

[Booker4]

If McGuinness plays all season like he did on Saturday, we’ll all be very happy.

Am I the only one who thinks McGuiness should be given longer to maintain current form? He's dominant in the air, he's played a lot of football at this level, he's under contract for another three years and if we let him go now then it will inevitably be at a loss.

Ok, he's not the fastest but neither is Souttar. I'd much rather us spend money on a winger or two given that's where the real weakness lies and given how we've lost two wingers and our most creative players. We have seen Wilder change his mind before on players; most notably, Courts and Freeman.

 

[maxstertheblade]

Wages too high for a league 1 , financially troubled team.

They are interested

 

[ancientblade]

Am I the only one who thinks McGuiness should be given longer to maintain current form? He's dominant in the air, he's played a lot of football at this level, he's under contract for another three years and if we let him go now then it will inevitably be at a loss.

Ok, he's not the fastest but neither is Souttar. I'd much rather us spend money on a winger or two given that's where the real weakness lies and given how we've lost two wingers and our most creative players. We have seen Wilder change his mind before on players; most notably, Courts and Freeman.

i think we could get away with playing mcguinness in a back 3 but not sure about him all season in a back 4 hes similar to robinson you just know that theres 1 bad mistake in him but even if we sign souttar he would be a good back up centre back

 

[3Cheers4Ramirez]

They are interested

 

[Booker4]

i think we could get away with playing mcguinness in a back 3 but not sure about him all season in a back 4 hes similar to robinson you just know that theres 1 bad mistake in him but even if we sign souttar he would be a good back up centre back

Maybe the issues last season when McGuiness played were also due to other factors like Burrows playing every week after McCallum got injured post February and burrows struggles defensively, Cooper also injured and Hamer playing left mid leaving Burrows even more exposed?

I think McGuiness is a much better defender than many give him credit for and if Phillips comes into the side he will hopefully offer some additional protection than at present also.

 

[Booker4]

They are interested

McGuiness doesn't seem a Russel Martin type player to me though!?

I'd much rather us offer Cannon instead and keep McGuiness as a back up centre half if Souttar comes.

 

[ancientblade]

Maybe the issues last season when McGuiness played were also due to other factors like Burrows playing every week after McCallum got injured pust February, Cooper also injured and Hamer playing left mid leaving Burrows even more exposed?

I think McGuiness is a much better defender than many give him credit for and if Phillips comes into the side he will hopefully offer some additional protection than at present also.

yeah good point booker think if we do stick with a back 4 phillips will be the man to protect the 2 centre backs could even see wilder adopting the old bielsa formation of 4141

 

[JosteinFlo]

We’re paying Mcguniess more than anyone else would or should be. Desperate signing and paying the hefty price for another 3 years!

 

[Broomhall Blade]

Am I the only one who thinks McGuiness should be given longer to maintain current form? He's dominant in the air, he's played a lot of football at this level, he's under contract for another three years and if we let him go now then it will inevitably be at a loss.

Ok, he's not the fastest but neither is Souttar. I'd much rather us spend money on a winger or two given that's where the real weakness lies and given how we've lost two wingers and our most creative players. We have seen Wilder change his mind before on players; most notably, Courts and Freeman.

You might be getting your wish.
Just cannot see us signing anyone while all these court cases are on going.
I have thought for a while that something is going off we have hardly been linked with any players except Souttar especially when we are crying out for some creativity, now Anel is "linked" Which was always going too happen due to his link with us. Souttar I'm convinced we are just playing silly buggers mainly to keep the fans onside while hopping someone else comes in and nicks him. Anel is just a Brucie bonus for our owners gets fans all giddy but in reality we don't have a cat in hells chance of signing him.
I have no idea if we are in serious trouble with regards too getting a points reduction, but i am worried that there won't be any reinforcements coming in and this side is in real danger of going down even without the points deduction.