I asked AI who the top 10 players were over the last 10 years.

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After watching a meltdown on a FB group about whether Hamer was the best player at the lane over the last ten years, I asked AI to list the top ten players over the last decade. Obviously the parameters of what it thinks a 'top player' is may differ to peoples own interpretation of a what makes a good player. But I thought it would make a good discussion on an odd week.

...and hopefully with less fallout.

AI said:
If we take “last ten years” as roughly 2016–2026, and judge it on performance for Sheffield United, importance to the team, longevity, promotions and memorable moments, my top 10 would be:

  1. Billy Sharp – The obvious No.1 for me. Captain, prolific goalscorer and the face of the Wilder-era revival. Central to the 2016/17 League One title and 2018/19 Premier League promotion.
  2. John Fleck – At his peak, arguably the best all-round footballer of that first Wilder side. Outstanding in the Championship and then carried that form into the Premier League. He won United's Player of the Year during the promotion-era rise.
  3. Chris Basham – Not necessarily the most gifted, but perhaps the player who best symbolises the era. Huge longevity, completely bought into the overlapping-centre-back system and performed remarkably well in the Premier League.
  4. Jack O'Connell – At his best, absolutely outstanding. His injury arguably changed the trajectory of the 2020/21 season. The left-sided overlapping centre-back role worked so well partly because O'Connell was almost uniquely suited to it.
  5. Oliver Norwood – Three Sheffield United promotions to the Premier League is some résumé. His passing and ability to control Championship matches have been enormously important across several different United sides.
  6. Dean Henderson – Only at Bramall Lane for two seasons, but they were two exceptional seasons. Helped United win promotion in 2018/19 and was superb during the remarkable 2019/20 Premier League campaign. He won United's Young Player award in both 2019 and 2020.
  7. David McGoldrick – Technically one of the best Sheffield United players of the period. Intelligent, creative and much more important than his goal statistics sometimes suggested. He subsequently won the club's main Player of the Year award.
  8. George Baldock – A massive part of the identity of the Wilder team. Aggressive, athletic, committed and exceptionally effective as the right wing-back during United's rise from the Championship into the Premier League.
  9. Sander Berge – Probably the most naturally gifted permanent Sheffield United player of the decade. His United career coincided with some difficult seasons, which perhaps stops him ranking higher, but technically and physically he was Premier League quality.
  10. Morgan Gibbs-White – Only one season, which counts against him, but his 2021/22 individual season was exceptional: 11 goals in 35 appearances and both Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year honours.
Just outside: John Egan, Enda Stevens, Mark Duffy, Iliman Ndiaye, Aaron Ramsdale, James McAtee, David Brooks and Gustavo Hamer.

The controversial one is probably Ndiaye. In terms of ability, I'd have him comfortably in the top 10—possibly top five. I've marked him down because we're ranking contribution across the whole decade rather than simply asking who the best footballers were.

If we ranked pure ability at their Sheffield United peak, I'd probably go Ndiaye, Berge, Gibbs-White and Fleck much higher.
 



In terms of outright footballing talent - I don't think I've ever seen a better player for us than Ndiaye.
In terms of the top 10 of the last decade - you'd do well to push anyone in for me that wasn't involved in the League 1 to 9th in Prem rise.
What they did for the club was unimaginable.

Sharp, Mcgoldrick, Fleck, Norwood, Coutts, Basham, Duffy, O'Connell. Stevens, Baldock, Egan, Clarke, Egan (see I can't even make it just 10)
 
Ability:

  1. Ndiaye
  2. Gibbs White
  3. Berge
  4. Hamer
  5. McAtee
  6. Henderson
  7. Fleck
  8. McGoldrick
  9. O'Connell
  10. D Brooks

Contribution:

  1. Sharp
  2. Fleck
  3. Basham
  4. O'Connell
  5. Norwood
  6. Duffy
  7. McGoldrick
  8. Egan
  9. Baldock
  10. Stevens
Wouldn’t disagree with much of that, although your ability list looks like it equates to skill rather than ability (which is admittedly hard to define). I would have had O’Connell substantially higher if graded by ability, although I’m splitting hairs and opening up a deeper discussion on ability versus skill!
 
After watching a meltdown on a FB group about whether Hamer was the best player at the lane over the last ten years, I asked AI to list the top ten players over the last decade. Obviously the parameters of what it thinks a 'top player' is may differ to peoples own interpretation of a what makes a good player. But I thought it would make a good discussion on an odd week.

...and hopefully with less fallout.

AI said:
If we take “last ten years” as roughly 2016–2026, and judge it on performance for Sheffield United, importance to the team, longevity, promotions and memorable moments, my top 10 would be:

  1. Billy Sharp – The obvious No.1 for me. Captain, prolific goalscorer and the face of the Wilder-era revival. Central to the 2016/17 League One title and 2018/19 Premier League promotion.
  2. John Fleck – At his peak, arguably the best all-round footballer of that first Wilder side. Outstanding in the Championship and then carried that form into the Premier League. He won United's Player of the Year during the promotion-era rise.
  3. Chris Basham – Not necessarily the most gifted, but perhaps the player who best symbolises the era. Huge longevity, completely bought into the overlapping-centre-back system and performed remarkably well in the Premier League.
  4. Jack O'Connell – At his best, absolutely outstanding. His injury arguably changed the trajectory of the 2020/21 season. The left-sided overlapping centre-back role worked so well partly because O'Connell was almost uniquely suited to it.
  5. Oliver Norwood – Three Sheffield United promotions to the Premier League is some résumé. His passing and ability to control Championship matches have been enormously important across several different United sides.
  6. Dean Henderson – Only at Bramall Lane for two seasons, but they were two exceptional seasons. Helped United win promotion in 2018/19 and was superb during the remarkable 2019/20 Premier League campaign. He won United's Young Player award in both 2019 and 2020.
  7. David McGoldrick – Technically one of the best Sheffield United players of the period. Intelligent, creative and much more important than his goal statistics sometimes suggested. He subsequently won the club's main Player of the Year award.
  8. George Baldock – A massive part of the identity of the Wilder team. Aggressive, athletic, committed and exceptionally effective as the right wing-back during United's rise from the Championship into the Premier League.
  9. Sander Berge – Probably the most naturally gifted permanent Sheffield United player of the decade. His United career coincided with some difficult seasons, which perhaps stops him ranking higher, but technically and physically he was Premier League quality.
  10. Morgan Gibbs-White – Only one season, which counts against him, but his 2021/22 individual season was exceptional: 11 goals in 35 appearances and both Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year honours.
Just outside: John Egan, Enda Stevens, Mark Duffy, Iliman Ndiaye, Aaron Ramsdale, James McAtee, David Brooks and Gustavo Hamer.

The controversial one is probably Ndiaye. In terms of ability, I'd have him comfortably in the top 10—possibly top five. I've marked him down because we're ranking contribution across the whole decade rather than simply asking who the best footballers were.

If we ranked pure ability at their Sheffield United peak, I'd probably go Ndiaye, Berge, Gibbs-White and Fleck much higher.
Interesting. I asked CoPilot and it came up with an almost identical list but adding Hamer for Gibbs-White, but then I saw that it had taken this thread as a reference! So it's referred to this and judged Hamer to be added.

I asked it to re-generate the list and ignore this thread as a reference point:
Billy
Bash
Fleck
JOC
Norwood
N'Diaye
Henderson
Dids
Baldock
Hamer

All fairly reasonable.
 
After watching a meltdown on a FB group about whether Hamer was the best player at the lane over the last ten years, I asked AI to list the top ten players over the last decade. Obviously the parameters of what it thinks a 'top player' is may differ to peoples own interpretation of a what makes a good player. But I thought it would make a good discussion on an odd week.

...and hopefully with less fallout.

AI said:
If we take “last ten years” as roughly 2016–2026, and judge it on performance for Sheffield United, importance to the team, longevity, promotions and memorable moments, my top 10 would be:

  1. Billy Sharp – The obvious No.1 for me. Captain, prolific goalscorer and the face of the Wilder-era revival. Central to the 2016/17 League One title and 2018/19 Premier League promotion.
  2. John Fleck – At his peak, arguably the best all-round footballer of that first Wilder side. Outstanding in the Championship and then carried that form into the Premier League. He won United's Player of the Year during the promotion-era rise.
  3. Chris Basham – Not necessarily the most gifted, but perhaps the player who best symbolises the era. Huge longevity, completely bought into the overlapping-centre-back system and performed remarkably well in the Premier League.
  4. Jack O'Connell – At his best, absolutely outstanding. His injury arguably changed the trajectory of the 2020/21 season. The left-sided overlapping centre-back role worked so well partly because O'Connell was almost uniquely suited to it.
  5. Oliver Norwood – Three Sheffield United promotions to the Premier League is some résumé. His passing and ability to control Championship matches have been enormously important across several different United sides.
  6. Dean Henderson – Only at Bramall Lane for two seasons, but they were two exceptional seasons. Helped United win promotion in 2018/19 and was superb during the remarkable 2019/20 Premier League campaign. He won United's Young Player award in both 2019 and 2020.
  7. David McGoldrick – Technically one of the best Sheffield United players of the period. Intelligent, creative and much more important than his goal statistics sometimes suggested. He subsequently won the club's main Player of the Year award.
  8. George Baldock – A massive part of the identity of the Wilder team. Aggressive, athletic, committed and exceptionally effective as the right wing-back during United's rise from the Championship into the Premier League.
  9. Sander Berge – Probably the most naturally gifted permanent Sheffield United player of the decade. His United career coincided with some difficult seasons, which perhaps stops him ranking higher, but technically and physically he was Premier League quality.
  10. Morgan Gibbs-White – Only one season, which counts against him, but his 2021/22 individual season was exceptional: 11 goals in 35 appearances and both Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year honours.
Just outside: John Egan, Enda Stevens, Mark Duffy, Iliman Ndiaye, Aaron Ramsdale, James McAtee, David Brooks and Gustavo Hamer.

The controversial one is probably Ndiaye. In terms of ability, I'd have him comfortably in the top 10—possibly top five. I've marked him down because we're ranking contribution across the whole decade rather than simply asking who the best footballers were.

If we ranked pure ability at their Sheffield United peak, I'd probably go Ndiaye, Berge, Gibbs-White and Fleck much higher.
And there goes more evidence of my view of AI being much less optimal than people give it credit for.

Bullshit in, bullshit out.

High regards for Billy but even his overly inflated opinion of himself wouldn’t have him as #1.

Maybe !

UTB
 
What I do find interesting is, and with the Exception of Sandra for whom we recouped a significant amount of our initial transfer fee outlay in any event, NONE of our other £3m+ transfers make the grade.

Go figure !

UTB
 
After watching a meltdown on a FB group about whether Hamer was the best player at the lane over the last ten years, I asked AI to list the top ten players over the last decade. Obviously the parameters of what it thinks a 'top player' is may differ to peoples own interpretation of a what makes a good player. But I thought it would make a good discussion on an odd week.

...and hopefully with less fallout.

AI said:
If we take “last ten years” as roughly 2016–2026, and judge it on performance for Sheffield United, importance to the team, longevity, promotions and memorable moments, my top 10 would be:

  1. Billy Sharp – The obvious No.1 for me. Captain, prolific goalscorer and the face of the Wilder-era revival. Central to the 2016/17 League One title and 2018/19 Premier League promotion.
  2. John Fleck – At his peak, arguably the best all-round footballer of that first Wilder side. Outstanding in the Championship and then carried that form into the Premier League. He won United's Player of the Year during the promotion-era rise.
  3. Chris Basham – Not necessarily the most gifted, but perhaps the player who best symbolises the era. Huge longevity, completely bought into the overlapping-centre-back system and performed remarkably well in the Premier League.
  4. Jack O'Connell – At his best, absolutely outstanding. His injury arguably changed the trajectory of the 2020/21 season. The left-sided overlapping centre-back role worked so well partly because O'Connell was almost uniquely suited to it.
  5. Oliver Norwood – Three Sheffield United promotions to the Premier League is some résumé. His passing and ability to control Championship matches have been enormously important across several different United sides.
  6. Dean Henderson – Only at Bramall Lane for two seasons, but they were two exceptional seasons. Helped United win promotion in 2018/19 and was superb during the remarkable 2019/20 Premier League campaign. He won United's Young Player award in both 2019 and 2020.
  7. David McGoldrick – Technically one of the best Sheffield United players of the period. Intelligent, creative and much more important than his goal statistics sometimes suggested. He subsequently won the club's main Player of the Year award.
  8. George Baldock – A massive part of the identity of the Wilder team. Aggressive, athletic, committed and exceptionally effective as the right wing-back during United's rise from the Championship into the Premier League.
  9. Sander Berge – Probably the most naturally gifted permanent Sheffield United player of the decade. His United career coincided with some difficult seasons, which perhaps stops him ranking higher, but technically and physically he was Premier League quality.
  10. Morgan Gibbs-White – Only one season, which counts against him, but his 2021/22 individual season was exceptional: 11 goals in 35 appearances and both Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year honours.
Just outside: John Egan, Enda Stevens, Mark Duffy, Iliman Ndiaye, Aaron Ramsdale, James McAtee, David Brooks and Gustavo Hamer.

The controversial one is probably Ndiaye. In terms of ability, I'd have him comfortably in the top 10—possibly top five. I've marked him down because we're ranking contribution across the whole decade rather than simply asking who the best footballers were.

If we ranked pure ability at their Sheffield United peak, I'd probably go Ndiaye, Berge, Gibbs-White and Fleck much higher.
Why would you ask AI?
 
AI just scanned this forum for the answers..
it also concluded that Alans still a hunt and piss stained joggers to look through will be good to watch tonights eclipse
🤪
 
Ability:

  1. Ndiaye
  2. Gibbs White
  3. Berge
  4. Hamer
  5. McAtee
  6. Henderson
  7. Fleck
  8. McGoldrick
  9. O'Connell
  10. D Brooks

Contribution:

  1. Sharp
  2. Fleck
  3. Basham
  4. O'Connell
  5. Norwood
  6. Duffy
  7. McGoldrick
  8. Egan
  9. Baldock
  10. Stevens
You can't expect Henderson to play as a 6; he was pretty poor with the ball at his feet. Decent with his hands, though. ;)
 



Why would you ask AI?

Because of it's unmitigated successes, Waps!

Players like Christian Nwachukwu, Jefferson Caceres, Ehije Ukaki, Mihail Polendakov, Billy-Bob Turdstubber, Maxwell Jizflick, Lars Arsfluf, Ugbene Ugbone, Frank Spunkragg and Willian de Florenses a la Pumpedmepantz are proof of what use of technology can bring to Sheffield United's game.

Arsfluf was 68 on FIFA 09 and played in all four defeats in Lichtenstein's 2010 World Cup qualifiers, don't you know?

Reyt signings
 
Aaron Ramsdale - just outside. Me thinks AI is taking other club performances and ratings into account.
 
Aaron Ramsdale - just outside. Me thinks AI is taking other club performances and ratings into account.

Christ. Ramsdale was dreadful. Diving over the ball and flapping at thin air as the ball sailed past him. And all that 'cheeky chappie, tongue out' nonsense?

Henderson was far better than him, which is why Tuchel took him to America.
 
Obviously the parameters of what it thinks a 'top player' is may differ to peoples own interpretation of a what makes a good player
AI doesn't think. It's just predicting the most likely next words in the sentence. There's no rational evaluation of ability happening.
 
Tbf if it’s purely ability and not what they achieved I think David Brooks might take it. Always remember an interview with Billy Sharp at the time and he was saying Brooks just had to remember that he is always the best player on any pitch he is on- even when playing for Wales against France. Only player I have ever seen with more pure natural talent was McGrath back in 1997 who was levels above.
 

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